Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

RoP season 2 41 million viewers in 11 days, that number is far larger now, so yes 9 million is fairly low numbers in its first week, RoP is a far more popular tv show that more ppl want to watch compared to most other tv shows, fantasy shows usually have a larger audience than something set in feudal japan which is more niche. RoP is number 2 in the top 5 shows watched at this time.

Which isn't saying much since that 41 million is an ambiguous source that isn't comparable to standardized metrics.

If it really had 41 million viewers there'a no reason why it is a number 2 spot. Make sense?

Neilsen ratings will probably be a better metric

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The first four episodes of “The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power” Season 2 have reached 40 million viewers globally in 11 days, according to Amazon.

It’s difficult to put the stat in full context, as Amazon has not defined how it quantifies its viewership; for example, 40 million could simply be the number of people who watched any portion of the available episodes.



Also

https://televisionstats.com/top/year

As of Sept. 26th 2024,
Shogun is #6
Rings of Power is #41.

[Syegfryed]

RoP is currently the second most watched tv show atm

Minutes watched is a fucking terrible metric to measure viewers

And your failure of a show don't have any other new show to compete and they still lose to show released almost 20 years ago. Literally losing to re-watch.

This number is also heavily manipulated since nielsen cover the minutes watched from season 1 as well.

Viewing totals on the ratings service’s charts cover all episodes of a series.)

And even then it was lower than season 1:

The 1.02 billion minutes is down about 19 percent from season one’s opening week (1.25 billion) in August 2022.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...24-1236013716/

No surprise, lower than Fallout and Reacher as well.

So yeah, a big failure that it will drop on the charts, just like in season 1 when almost 60% of viewers didn't even finish it

[melodramocracy]

They wanted their game of thrones, and they did it, sick bastards

I felt like the sword / fight scene at the temple in Numenor was trying to invoke GoT vibes, and it did a decent job of it.

[kenn9530]

Minutes watched is a fucking terrible metric to measure viewers

And your failure of a show don't have any other new show to compete and they still lose to show released almost 20 years ago. Literally losing to re-watch.

This number is also heavily manipulated since nielsen cover the minutes watched from season 1 as well.


And even then it was lower than season 1:



https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...24-1236013716/

No surprise, lower than Fallout and Reacher as well.

So yeah, a big failure that it will drop on the charts, just like in season 1 when almost 60% of viewers didn't even finish it

As usual you poorly attempt to dismiss any information that proves you to be wrong about something, facts are simple the show is doing very well and that's all that matters, not your own ego poorly attempting to insult anything you personally don't like, your opinions mean nothing, facts that prove the show to be doing well is what actually matters.

People rewatch shows all the time or just want something to waste time or just something on in the background, any show having over 40 million viewers is a massive success.

Any show with 10 million viewers is considered a success.

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Which isn't saying much since that 41 million is an ambiguous source that isn't comparable to standardized metrics.

If it really had 41 million viewers there'a no reason why it is a number 2 spot. Make sense?

RoP is not fully out yet, you know many wont watch it until the full series is available, not everyone watches shows week to week, the number of viewers will easily double if not even more once the show has all episodes out, its one of the most popular tv shows currently being watched atm.

[Syegfryed]

As usual you poorly attempt

Literally information from the source

1- Lower views than season 1
2- Lower minutes watched from season 1
2- Lower minutes watched from season 1 even combined with the minutes watched from season 1
3- Losing to a 20 year show rewatch
4- It did worse than Fallout and Reacher

Those are facts

For the budget and IP is a total failure, it should be pulling at least 10x times more

RoP is not fully out yet, you know many wont watch it until the full series is available

No one will finish watching

60% of the people who started season 1 didn't finish it, they didn't wait for the full series to be available, they just stop watching

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I felt like the sword / fight scene at the temple in Numenor was trying to invoke GoT vibes, and it did a decent job of it.

I didn't saw any choreography from season 2, only the awful ones from season 1, would be a rare improvement on their belt.

[rhorle]

Minutes watched is a fucking terrible metric to measure viewers

It is not. If it was low you would have no problem with the metric. You've even gone back and forth on Amazon lying based on if it supports your hate or not.

[Triceron]

As usual you poorly attempt to dismiss any information that proves you to be wrong about something, facts are simple the show is doing very well and that's all that matters, not your own ego poorly attempting to insult anything you personally don't like, your opinions mean nothing, facts that prove the show to be doing well is what actually matters.

People rewatch shows all the time or just want something to waste time or just something on in the background, any show having over 40 million viewers is a massive success.

Any show with 10 million viewers is considered a success.

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RoP is not fully out yet, you know many wont watch it until the full series is available, not everyone watches shows week to week, the number of viewers will easily double if not even more once the show has all episodes out, its one of the most popular tv shows currently being watched atm.

You really think RoP will shoot from 41st spot up past 6th spot to beat Shogun?

Your words are that Shogun was some middling success, but I've clearly shown otherwise. And if you're just hiding behind the fact that RoP isn't fully out yet, I will be happy to link you this again and again on a weekly basis till you recognize the truth here.

[rogoth]

hey guys, remember, you're not supposed to talk about how few people actually watch this trash, or you could get a forum ban, because talking about viewership numbers of the show is apparently not allowed anymore.

[Fencers]

hey guys, remember, you're not supposed to talk about how few people actually watch this trash, or you could get a forum ban, because talking about viewership numbers of the show is apparently not allowed anymore.

It's the #2 overall and #1 original show for the current cycle.

The only non-Netflix show close is Only Murders in the Building (as expected this cycle).

[Joszef Kiprich]

I still watch it but I don't think it's good overall. I still watch it because I like the IP, not because I think it's a good show. Season 2 is better then season 1 but it's not in my top 10, not even close.

[Syegfryed]

hey guys, remember, you're not supposed to talk about how few people actually watch this trash, or you could get a forum ban, because talking about viewership numbers of the show is apparently not allowed anymore.

Tbf, is not allowed to say if the show is good or bad, based on the views, and the only one person claiming is good because of it is kenn9530

[Valarnin]

The series is a testament to what jeff bezoz is all about. He is the biggest jerk and ahole on this planet. So now he and amazon studios is pissing on the greatest fantasy epic ever told or written, pissing on one of the most numerous and loyal fanbase. There must be something that he has against tolkien since he was willing to pay over a billion dollars just to create this sh**show. Many real tolkien specialists and great peter jackson offered to help with the writing and creation of this show because they wanted it to be a success. But amazon studios refused all the aid and hired bunch of people who would know how to make 2 dollar drama-comedy but have no idea what is high-fantasy or who is tolkien. They took the most well known fantasy tale, bought rights to it with insane price tag and wrote their own piece of sh** that has nothing to do with the original story. Not only that but they changed things so much that it became truly disrespectful sad parody against the original story and copying stuff from peter jacksons movies is a very retard thing to do. I am watching the show, why not, I am pirating it and not giving a cent to these bast**ds, I watch it because I am a middle-earth maniac and high fantasy lover and because there is nothing else unless to watch peter jacksons movies, yet again. And I will. But after every episode of this total BS disgrace of a show I feel guilty and ashamed and angry for what they have done. And how they even manage to spend all that money on this trash? Peter jacksons movies look way more better in every way and look more expensive. Almost every scene of this show feels and looks like it was made by some student group with amateur funding. It is amazing how you can fck up things so badly with such a budget and story made ready, but they did not want the original, they wanted their own woke infested crab. And did you know that amazon is making yet another mmorpg, like new world failure wasn't enough, and that new title will be about middle-earth..My god. I hope Jeff bezoz die in horrible agony and amazon crumbles to dust and gets erased from history books.

[alach]

Minutes watched is the metric for measuring streaming.

https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/top-ten/

That was the first episode, nielsen is always a month behind.
Heres some more commentary that isn't from another angry bully. (sure seems like theres alot of those around these days.)

[rogoth]

Minutes watched is the metric for measuring streaming.

https://www.nielsen.com/data-center/top-ten/

That was the first episode, nielsen is always a month behind.
Heres some more commentary that isn't from another angry bully. (sure seems like theres alot of those around these days.)

I just wanna make sure I have this correct, you're basis for defending this show, is someone who clearly doesn't know the actual story, and is waxing lyrical about some big budget effects and how he is emotionally attached to characters that either never existed, or are so far from what they are in the lore, that they might as well be complete fabrications.

this show has entirely subverted, rewritten, and generally shit all over the established lore, all because they don't have the rights to the ACTUAL story, and this slop is being hailed as some kind of marvel of the current age?

like I have said before, if you genuinely enjoy this stuff, that's fine you're free to like what you like, however, that does not give you the audacity to claim this show is 'good' or 'great' in any way shape for form, because from season 1 to current episode, I would say there's maybe 10-15% of the show that's actually true to the story, the rest being entirely fabricated and badly written fanfiction.

I'm also curious to know how a franchise that's been beloved and shared for decades is somehow all of a sudden only now 'inclusive'? How such a beloved franchise and story is only now 'representative'? I'm also immensely curious to see what will happen when the wave finally comes crashing down from the activists and alphabet mafia and their rhetoric is no longer seen as a good idea, it's already started in gaming, wonder how it will affect them in other forms of media.

[rhorle]

But amazon studios refused all the aid and hired bunch of people who would know how to make 2 dollar drama-comedy but have no idea what is high-fantasy or who is tolkien.

That isn't true. Amazon reached out to Peter Jackson to have him involved and/or offer input. The Tolkien estate is rumored to have been against Peter Jackson being involved because they were still upset about him ruining the spirit of Tolkien. An executive that was pushing for Peter Jackson left Amazon Studios in 2019. There was also concern about keeping the two cinematic universes seperate and Peter Jackson involved might lead people to think the WB and Amazon universes were connected.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...es-1235193692/

It is amusing though that some fans are treating Rings of Power the same way the Tolkien Estate viewed the Jackson movies. I don't think the Tolkien estate would ever reveal what they thought since they are focused on monetization and growing the brand. It would be interesting to see if they felt Rings of Power is better or worse then the Jackson films.

[Syegfryed]

Minutes watched is the metric for measuring streaming.

Its not a good metric on views, because it doesn't count views, it counts people going back to see one scene, pausing and going back, adds up, longer episodes will have more minutes watched, and nielsen counts from ALL seasons, not just season 2

Heres some more commentary that isn't from another angry bully. (sure seems like theres alot of those around these days.)

Lmao, and your reference is this twat? one of the biggest chill tard out there?

And people were shitting on CriticalDrinker

Anyone saying this is "officially GREAT" is cooping fucking hard, you can say its ok, tis mid, but GREAT? lmao

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I just wanna make sure I have this correct, you're basis for defending this show, is someone who clearly doesn't know the actual story, and is waxing lyrical about some big budget effects and how he is emotionally attached to characters that either never existed, or are so far from what they are in the lore, that they might as well be complete fabrications.

john campea is one of the biggest chills on the internet, he is exactly at the other side of the spectrum that people complain about the angry reviewers, being worse than then since he is actually a liar.

this show has entirely subverted, rewritten, and generally shit all over the established lore, all because they don't have the rights to the ACTUAL story, and this slop is being hailed as some kind of marvel of the current age?

Even if you complete ignore 100% of the lore, and criticize judge the show by its own merits, is a crap show on the level of the CW slops

Badly written, bad dialogues, lore doesn't make sense, things happen just because they NEED to move the scene forward

In any other era this should would get the backlash it deserves, but today tis easy to get drones like this campea guy defending it

[Adamas102]

from season 1 to current episode, I would say there's maybe 10-15% of the show that's actually true to the story, the rest being entirely fabricated and badly written fanfiction.

Yeah, it's called adaptation. There's no rule that an adaptation needs to stick to the source material as closely as possible (especially in this case when the source material as little more than notes and lists). You're also straight up wrong. Almost all of the main plot points that were laid out in the appendices and Silmarillion for these events are present. It's just the details that connect them that are being fleshed out and expanded upon. Stop pretending like Tolkien left behind a well written narrative for this stuff. He didn't.

The beloved movies weren't Tolkien's vision either. They were the vision and interpretation of Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, and Philippa Boyens who took inspiration from the books and made dozens upon dozens of changes to present something that they thought was better suited for a modern cinema audience. Tolkien would have absolutely HATED those movies. Gimli relegated to little more than comic relief, the changes to Aragorn's core motivations, the omission of the Scouring, the character assassination of Denethor and Boromir, and the over reliance on action and violence just to name the more egregious deviations. But you know what? That's irrelevant because the movies weren't made to make Tolkien happy. They were made for movie audiences to enjoy and they succeeded magnificently. There are plenty of other adaptations that strayed quite a bit from the source material and yet still made for good (or at least enjoyable) movies.

Now, the show is certainly no where near the level of the movies, but it's still decent television and it appeals to a broad audience which includes fans of the books and the movies. The fact that it deviates from the source material isn't an issue in and of itself. In fact, things like condensing the timeline of events were GOOD changes for adapting the story to screen format. YOU are absolutely free to dislike the show, but that doesn't make it a "bad" show.

I'm also curious to know how a franchise that's been beloved and shared for decades is somehow all of a sudden only now 'inclusive'? How such a beloved franchise and story is only now 'representative'?

Really? You're curious about that? You saw all the rhetoric early on about how dark skinned elves or hobbits or dwarves don't belong in Middle Earth and you wonder why people argue that it wasn't originally very inclusive? You think just because Lovecraft's writings were popular before means that it hasn't benefited greatly from the increased inclusivity of modern works inspired inspired by them?

[Syegfryed]

Really? You're curious about that? You saw all the rhetoric early on about how dark skinned elves or hobbits or dwarves don't belong in Middle Earth and you wonder why people argue that it wasn't originally very inclusive?

If it wasn't inclusive, why everyone, regardless, loved?

It was very inclusive, because there is more to the story than skin color.

Yeah, it's called adaptation. There's no rule that an adaptation needs to stick to the source material as closely as possible

There is a rule however, that it says it need to be good in the end, and respect the source, at the very list, and the show wan't able to do both.

You're also straight up wrong. Almost all of the main plot points that were laid out in the appendices and Silmarillion for these events are present.

thats where the 10-15% are; the points;

The beloved movies weren't Tolkien's vision either.

As always, "b-b-but the movies"

but it's still decent television

If you claim the CW slobs like the flash and batgirl are decent, yeah, this might fit in the criteria, but flash, last time i saw, had only 50million budget

YOU are absolutely free to dislike the show, but that doesn't make it a "bad" show.

Indeed, whats make a bad show is bad writting, bad acting, bad directing, even bad edits in the cuts, bad figurine as well, bad choreography in most fights, etc etc

[Valarnin]

That isn't true. Amazon reached out to Peter Jackson to have him involved and/or offer input. The Tolkien estate is rumored to have been against Peter Jackson being involved because they were still upset about him ruining the spirit of Tolkien. An executive that was pushing for Peter Jackson left Amazon Studios in 2019. There was also concern about keeping the two cinematic universes seperate and Peter Jackson involved might lead people to think the WB and Amazon universes were connected.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv...es-1235193692/

It is amusing though that some fans are treating Rings of Power the same way the Tolkien Estate viewed the Jackson movies. I don't think the Tolkien estate would ever reveal what they thought since they are focused on monetization and growing the brand. It would be interesting to see if they felt Rings of Power is better or worse then the Jackson films.

Then there are many truths concerning this matter since I remember reading it from few different sources that peter jackson among some tolkien experts would have aided this show gladly but they were not accepted by amazon studios. The link you provided is not anymore trustworthy than any other source starting from online forums. Could also be that amazon studios is giving BS statement just trying to cover their failure. And BS is what amazon does. There is no running around the fact that this show could have been great but instead they deliberately chose to make this BS crab with all the woke influence and messing up with things practically using tolkiens middle-earth story as a popular stepping stone to make their own perverted version. As someone said there is like 10-15% of original story used in this sh**show and I must say that is optimistic evaluation. Peter jackson with his crew made amazing work with the movies and it was bearable amount of changes to original story that they made and this is why those movies still belong among the most watched and loved movies of all time and they will be a huge thing still after 50 years from now and beyond. Yes, this show could have made similar success but it did not. They failed at everything from cast to writing and creating the scenes. It is amazing how you can fck up so badly with an insane budget of over 1 billion dollars and with so many good people willing to help.

edit: I think this show is already among the most hated and most negatively criticized show of film industry. If not the worst even. The only good reviews are done by bots and by people bought by amazon. If it weren't available as free torrents, I would not have wasted any cent watching it after seeing the first episode or perhaps seeing the trailer would have been enough. And this comes from a person who spends almost all his waking hours playing fantasy games, reading about middle-earth and enjoying high-fantasy.

[Adamas102]

If it wasn't inclusive, why everyone, regardless, loved?

Are you serious? Just because people like something doesn't mean it's inclusive. They're completely separate things. Are you thinking of the term "accessible" and confusing that for "inclusive"?

Tolkien's works were still a product of his time and upbringing. That's a fact. Stop playing a fool as if you don't know that his works don't revolve almost entirely around fair skinned male characters. Nothing that was written 75+ years ago is going to be particularly inclusive. And yeah, you're right that there is more to the stories that skin color, which is what made it super easy for the show to depict more variety in the setting without changing the overall plot and themes.

There is a rule however, that it says it need to be good in the end, and respect the source, at the very list, and the show wan't able to do both.

"Respect the source" is a meaningless phrase. Basically the only thing you're saying is "it's not what I was expecting", and that's not a particularly relevant opinion to anyone else. I do agree that Tolkien would have hated the show, just as he would have hated the movies and video games, but again that's kind of irrelevant. He understood that selling the rights to his works was inviting other artists to re-imagine, reinterpret, and expand on his works. THAT'S what you should expect from any adaptation; someone else's take on the story.

Indeed, whats make a bad show is bad writting, bad acting, bad directing, even bad edits in the cuts, bad figurine as well, bad choreography in most fights, etc etc

Cool, ok. Good thing this particular show does a decent/good job on most of those things.

Yeah, we get it. You enjoy being a constant crybaby, a tiresome mope. I'd wager that 95% of your posts on this forum are just you complaining about movies and shows, and almost all of it basically boils down to "I don't like it so it's bad". I mean, I've spent a good amount of time bitching in the GoT thread, but at least I can articulate my opinions beyond "X is bad, and Y is bad, and Z is bad, and it doesn't show respect, and I know other people who didn't like it, and and and did I mention that it's bad?".