Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Varodoc]

Since you like that quote, can you point to me where it is in books or the movies? Pretty sure that's not a real quote, but "twisted/corrupted" one, kind of funny eh?

Did I say it was a quote from the books or the movies? Did I even say it was a quote from LOTR in the first place?

Also No, it really isn't funny.

[Nask]

Did I say it was a quote from the books or the movies? Did I even say it was a quote from LOTR in the first place?

Also No, it really isn't funny.

i mean, you just did what the quote says, corrupted "original" stuff and paraded it. It is, in fact funny.

[Varodoc]

i mean, you just did what the quote says, corrupted "original" stuff and paraded it. It is, in fact funny.

I repeat, what quote did I corrupt?

Go back to lurking plz because you're not making any sense, see you in the next decade.

[Shadowferal]

Most critiques of the films were and still are valid. But his situation will be wholly different. Amazon doesn't even have the rights to the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and the History of Middle Earth which effectively means that all they can go by is Appendix B which is half a page of text and one page of timeline. That's it. Peter Jackson at least had access to the literature that was relevant to his adaptation. Amazon doesn't have the rights to the main sources for the Second Age.

Kinda funny that Amazon paid so much...

[s_bushido]

If you wouldn't know that it's Lord of the Rings, you couldn't tell from the trailer. That's what generic in this case means. And it's 100% accurate.

The irony of LotR being the "generic" elf/dwarf/orc fantasy setting that everything after is based on is not lost on me...

[Nask]

I repeat, what quote did I corrupt?

Go back to lurking plz because you're not making any sense, see you in the next decade.

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" is not a real quote from tolkien's writings, it is in fact twisted and edited by some random crybabies on the internet. And you using it is funny, because according to the quote, you would be the evil force that twisted and corrupts shit to fit their world view.

[Triceron]

Kinda funny that Amazon paid so much...

It's all in service of promoting their Prime Video service. They're throwing a shit ton of money at whatever they think can be the next 'Game of Thrones', while having no real sense of quality control. Blind faith, really.

[Varodoc]

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made" is not a real quote from tolkien's writings, it is in fact twisted and edited by some random crybabies on the internet. And you using it is funny, because according to the quote, you would be the evil force that twisted and corrupts shit to fit their world view.

I repeat (x3), I never said the quote was from Tolkien or any of his works. In fact, I took the quote from TV Trope.

As I said, stop putting words in my mouth, thanks.

[s_bushido]

How does it occur to someone to talk about a lack of "quality control" when the product hasn't even been released to judge its quality?

And how does "this company wants to make money off of their investment" count as a criticism when that's basically a law of nature? The show could be absolute shit. But you're not going to know that based on nothing more than less than a minute of footage and some interviews/press releases.

[Nask]

I repeat (x3), I never said the quote was from Tolkien or any of his works. In fact, I took the quote from TV Trope.

As I said, stop putting words in my mouth, thanks.

Oh, TV tropes? That explains, since there is actually a real quote in the books, but you went for a TV tropes? Have you even read the books? Are you LOTR movie baby?

[Kumorii]

Just want to point out that a lot of trailers and teasers are made with unfinished materials...
Not saying it guarantees that the end product will be great, and they could even be using finished stuff. However, from my experience (working at a post production company) they usually edit trailers on unfinished stuff.

Especially nowadays when the production times have been shortened by both efficiency and "necessity".

[bledgor]

Just want to point out that a lot of trailers and teasers are made with unfinished materials...
Not saying it guarantees that the end product will be great, and they could even be using finished stuff. However, from my experience (working at a post production company) they usually edit trailers on unfinished stuff.

Especially nowadays when the production times have been shortened by both efficiency and "necessity".

Using WoT as a rule of thumb about production value from Amazon it tells you a lot about the final product sadly.

[Triceron]

How does it occur to someone to talk about a lack of "quality control" when the product hasn't even been released to judge its quality?

And how does "this company wants to make money off of their investment" count as a criticism when that's basically a law of nature? The show could be absolute shit. But you're not going to know that based on nothing more than less than a minute of footage and some interviews/press releases.

Cuz they've already done it with Wheel of Time, and nothing seen so far with LOTR inspires any confidence that they're doing anything to adhere to the authenticity of the source material. What we've seen and know so far is that they are literally doing their own thing.

This entire series isn't actually based on any particular story from the books. They can tell their story any way they want as long as they don't change the history. As pointed out, they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion, so whatever Second Age story they're telling here is drawing references solely from the appendices.

It's like adapting a Shakespeare play to film but all you can use are Coles Notes.

[Kumorii]

Using WoT as a rule of thumb about production value from Amazon it tells you a lot about the final product sadly.

I know nothing of WoT tbh... but heard bad things of it.
Just wanted to give some insight since I have it. I'm not exactly saying people should believe it's gonna be awesome in the end...guess I have no real point tbh.
I just like information like this myself so, maybe someone else do as well.

[Varodoc]

Oh, TV tropes? That explains, since there is actually a real quote in the books, but you went for a TV tropes? Have you even read the books? Are you LOTR movie baby?

Yeah I haven't read the books, that's how I knew that quote wasn't from the books. I have been exposed.

[Nyel]

The irony of LotR being the "generic" elf/dwarf/orc fantasy setting that everything after is based on is not lost on me...

How can it be generic when everything that came after is based on it? It's the original source of basically all that. And the movie trilogy, heck even the Hobbit movies, exuded exactly that. Nothing in the trailer does this. And that's the main problem, next to all of the other problematic details.

[Aurgjelme]

How can it be generic when everything that came after is based on it? It's the original source of basically all that. And the movie trilogy, heck even the Hobbit movies, exuded exactly that. Nothing in the trailer does this. And that's the main problem, next to all of the other problematic details.

A lot of the hobbit and LOTR is Tolkien just using old Norse sources, so not quite the original.
In fact all the companion dwarves names in the hobbit is a copy pasta from the poetic edda.

[DarkAmbient]

What could they have put in the trailer to make it immediately identifiable as Lord of the Rings? Other than logo of course.

[Soulwind]

A lot of the hobbit and LOTR is Tolkien just using old Norse sources, so not quite the original.
In fact all the companion dwarves names in the hobbit is a copy pasta from the poetic edda.

It's not original in the sense that "he invented elfs", but mythology is all over the place, and he pretty much established the tropes of what is considered fantasy nowadays. Before Tolkien, an elf and a dwarf could be kind of the same thing, "a somewhat magical humanoid creature", same for trolls, goblins, ogres and orcs, who were all just fairytale monsters that looked however the person telling the story wanted them to. He took those names and gave them distinct shapes and cultures.

Nowadays, if someone tries to break that mold and use that same fantasy terminology and change its meaning, "it doesn't feel right". And at the same time, if you just do the same thing, "it's generic".

[s_bushido]

How can it be generic when everything that came after is based on it? It's the original source of basically all that. And the movie trilogy, heck even the Hobbit movies, exuded exactly that. Nothing in the trailer does this. And that's the main problem, next to all of the other problematic details.

lol...

Tolkien's stuff is basically the definition of "generic fantasy" precisely because it laid the groundwork for a lot of what came after.