Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[owbu]

If the last episode is any good, I would describe this season as "the anti HotD". The first couple of episodes were a bit boring and full of plots I didn't care about, but the ending was fun.

Hopefully we don't get an hour of hobbits and Tom being wonky next week.

[Adamas102]

thank you for this diatribe that not only proves my point but also illustrates that you have no idea about the lore, your disdain for anybody who calls out this blatant pandering to the imaginary 'modern audience', and the sheer mental gymnastics on show to try to defend this atrocity, so if sticking to the source material doesn't matter to you, why the fuck did Amazon pay $250m to buy the rights to the LOTR source material and PJ movies? if it's irrelevant to use any source material, why are they going out of their way to try and capture an audience that has existed for longer than Amazon and Jeff Bezos have been alive? OH that's right, they want to use a beloved work to legitimise their absolute bullshit, they want to subvert everything they touch and try to pass it off as something worth a damn when the reality is, it's not, and never will be

I already explained why you're wrong and no amount of name calling will change that fact, furthermore, moving the goalposts like you're fond of doing also doesn't work, it just makes you look even more desperate to have your viewpoint validated by that same imaginary 'modern audience', it's just a shame you can't or won't accept that this show has destroyed the world of middle earth for MILLIONS of people, it has taken an amber heard sized shit all over the source material and in a vain attempt to try and make something akin to game of thrones, they have done the complete opposite, but you be a good little lap dog and keep wagging your tail to the tune they are playing, I'm sure it'll end well for you.

Kid, the goal posts haven't moved, you're just not mentally equipped to find them apparently. It's not even that difficult a concept to grasp, but you're so wrapped up with your ignorance of how adaptation works that you can't even grasp what is actually being argued. Why did Amazon buy the rights? In order to create a dramatic narrative based on the these writings. How the fuck can you not even answer that question for yourself? You have your head so far up your own ass recounting lore details (often times incorrectly) that are either altered to better suit the medium in which they are being presented or simply irrelevant for the story that is being told. It basically all boils down to you being a petulant child throwing a tantrum because you didn't get exactly what you wanted.

The world of Middle Earth as Tolkien envisioned it isn't being "destroyed" by a show. That's just some silly, drama queen bullshit. Just as ALL the other adaptations exist outside of Tolkien's canonical vision, so does this show. That's how it works, and that's perfectly fine.

The only error I made was not correcting your erroneous recounting of how the dwarves were made. First off, Aule's fana (if he even has a single, preferred one) is never described. Not the way you described it, not in any of the established sources. Secondly, he didn't create the dwarves in his image since a.) he did not have a singular image, b.) his blueprint was imperfect based on his unclear understanding of the Vision of Iluvatar, and c.) his goal was to fashion them specifically to endure the power of Melkor. The fact is that Tolkien never described the things that you referenced for dark skinned dwarves being an impossibility. Either you heard some misinformation somewhere or you were straight up LYING. Either way, it was a pretty shameful argument for peddling your segregationist bullshit.

I like how you're still avoiding the "variance in hair and eye color" part since your lack of outrage about that really highlights your hypocrisy and the racist overtones of your complaints.

[Corvus]

Also, if im not mistaken, they again re-use another line/scene from the movies, about Gandalf coming at first light. And someone made sure to told me how th orcs catapults were able to hit and destroy a mountain milometers away, but could not destroy eregion walls

Its even better than that. Elrond says 'Look to the north', trying to copy Gandalf. But then it shows him looking to the east. Its obvious it is the east as it looks at the rising sun. And no, the sun does not rise in the north in middle earth.

The irony is that Khazad-dum is actually to the east of Ost-in-Edhil, so the dwarves would have been coming from the east anyway, not the north. Elrond only had to say 'Look to the east', but, nope, couldn't do that.

[rhorle]

The irony is that Khazad-dum is actually to the east of Ost-in-Edhil, so the dwarves would have been coming from the east anyway, not the north. Elrond only had to say 'Look to the east', but, nope, couldn't do that.

It is North East of Ost-in-Edhil.

https://rop-map.com/

[rogoth]

Kid, the goal posts haven't moved, you're just not mentally equipped to find them apparently. It's not even that difficult a concept to grasp, but you're so wrapped up with your ignorance of how adaptation works that you can't even grasp what is actually being argued. Why did Amazon buy the rights? In order to create a dramatic narrative based on the these writings. How the fuck can you not even answer that question for yourself? You have your head so far up your own ass recounting lore details (often times incorrectly) that are either altered to better suit the medium in which they are being presented or simply irrelevant for the story that is being told. It basically all boils down to you being a petulant child throwing a tantrum because you didn't get exactly what you wanted.

The world of Middle Earth as Tolkien envisioned it isn't being "destroyed" by a show. That's just some silly, drama queen bullshit. Just as ALL the other adaptations exist outside of Tolkien's canonical vision, so does this show. That's how it works, and that's perfectly fine.

The only error I made was not correcting your erroneous recounting of how the dwarves were made. First off, Aule's fana (if he even has a single, preferred one) is never described. Not the way you described it, not in any of the established sources. Secondly, he didn't create the dwarves in his image since a.) he did not have a singular image, b.) his blueprint was imperfect based on his unclear understanding of the Vision of Iluvatar, and c.) his goal was to fashion them specifically to endure the power of Melkor. The fact is that Tolkien never described the things that you referenced for dark skinned dwarves being an impossibility. Either you heard some misinformation somewhere or you were straight up LYING. Either way, it was a pretty shameful argument for peddling your segregationist bullshit.

I like how you're still avoiding the "variance in hair and eye color" part since your lack of outrage about that really highlights your hypocrisy and the racist overtones of your complaints.

alright then, let's do this, the next Martin Luther King biopic that's made let's cast Tom Hiddleston as MLK, he's a phenomenal actor who can easily pull off the role, he even has the same hair colour so that's not an issue, oh and for the new black panther movie, I think they should cast tom holland as king t'challa because he has the physical likeness and the athleticism needed for the role, he is also familiar with marvel works from his time as spiderman so it shouldn't be too much of a problem, after all, you're arguing for inclusivity and making the argument that nobody should be segregated from playing a role if they are good enough for that role correct?

as to your asinine retorts, you're actually grasping at straws and trying to use that as a gotcha, it's pathetic, you're ignorant American brain can't comprehend just how ridiculous this show is, and how much of the Tolkien legacy it has destroyed here in the UK because you're indoctrinated into the cult that has taken over you're nation in recent years, you're so fixated on race and political agendas you cannot see past anything that's of legitimate criticism where these topics are a component, you're mentally incapable of understanding the opposing viewpoint and worst of all, you seek to have your own views validated by the imaginary audience invented as a shield for such criticisms because you're lost in the sauce, and for that I have the utmost pity for you and the millions of people bending to this mental illness.

as to your other asinine comments, at the time this wonderful work of fiction was written, NOBODY knew about the human genome, nobody on planet Earth knew about how recessive genes and dominant genes shaped the human form into what is seen externally, and here you are DEMANDING me to explain something that has no need for explanation because it was never part of any conversation because it doesn't matter AT ALL, but because of your mental illness you're unable to see this and must inject your 'modern' way of thinking into something that has no bearing on it.

I have already told you, that the professor made the elves as he did because he was following the etymology of the word elf, which literally means 'being of purest white', to translate that into your modern language, that means someone with perfect, unblemished pure white skin, ethereal features that appear otherworldly, hence why the 'elf of colour' can't exist in the setting of middle earth, and I have already explained to you about the dwarves but you seem fixated on something that has zero bearing on the conversation and are trying to use it as a stick to lambast with, it's quite impressive really how far past the point you are and badly you missed it despite it being spelt out for you, I suppose that's what happens when you can only see things in 'black and white', ha, I made a funny.

[rhorle]

I have already told you, that the professor made the elves as he did because he was following the etymology of the word elf, which literally means 'being of purest white',

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/elf_n...&tab=etymology

If Tolkien included different skin tones would the story change? No. If Amazon didn't include different skin tones would the story change? No. It really is silly to be going on about it two years after the series premiere and even longer since the it was known the adaptation would feature diversity.

[rogoth]

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/elf_n...&tab=etymology

If Tolkien included different skin tones would the story change? No. If Amazon didn't include different skin tones would the story change? No. It really is silly to be going on about it two years after the series premiere and even longer since the it was known the adaptation would feature diversity.

except he did, he made sure there were places and people of all backgrounds represented in his work as was true to the time in which he wrote the story, yet here you are, a knight templar of the white knight brigade trying to brush aside any complaints and criticisms because of the racist hiring mandates that Amazon has, it's fairly audacious of you to pull the whole 'well it doesn't matter now because the cat is out of the bag so let's move on shall we' card, when there were millions of people who never wanted his to begin with, and yes, the story would be vastly different, because it would then be slightly closer to the source material, making it very slightly more believable as an adaptation instead of the abomination that is presented.

I can tell you now that this show and others like it will be studied in the UK as part of the media studies 'Mickey Mouse' degrees on how NOT to make an adaptation, and it will be studied in business studies degrees on the sunk cost fallacy in action, for the sheer fact that this is the largest and most expensive tv show in the history of humankind, and it has flopped harder than a blue whale on a beach, and it will be studied by drama students on how not to act, the sheer number of topics that this show has shit the bed on is astounding, and yet you and the vocal minority are still desperately trying to defend it, genuine question: what will you say if/when this show is cancelled and canned by Amazon? Will you still be extolling it as the greatest piece of media since sliced bread?

[alach]

Wow, dragging american politics into an argument against an hour long fantasy prime show.
I think you might need a break.

Thanks Obama?

[rhorle]

and yes, the story would be vastly different, because it would then be slightly closer to the source material, making it very slightly more believable as an adaptation instead of the abomination that is presented.

No. The story would not be different. The skin tone of characters has no impact on the story. I have never said the show is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is weird how often you have to lie for no other purpose then push hate towards the show and people who don't let you spew that hate unchallenged.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I have already told you, that the professor made the elves as he did because he was following the etymology of the word elf, which literally means 'being of purest white', to translate that into your modern language, that means someone with perfect, unblemished pure white skin, ethereal features that appear otherworldly, hence why the 'elf of colour' can't exist in the setting of middle earth,

By this same metric surely all or the majority of the dwarfs would be brown not white as Tolkien said they were based off of the Jews and notable the forgotten war like Jews, who were mainly Arabic.

Black might not cut it but every white dwarf should be getting the same level of back lash as they don’t meet the standard Tolkien was following when he made the dwarfs.

[rogoth]

No. The story would not be different. The skin tone of characters has no impact on the story. I have never said the show is the greatest thing since sliced bread. It is weird how often you have to lie for no other purpose then push hate towards the show and people who don't let you spew that hate unchallenged.

and there you are assuming I hate the show, I hate what the show represents, I would have loved a good show telling the story of the second age, but all that's been presented thus far is a mockery of the source material, and an agenda shoved down the throats of viewers because that's all these activists are capable of doing, and then here you are defending this mess using the same tactics that they employ when the MAJORITY of people tell them they don't like what they are doing, every single post you have made in this thread has been a disingenuous one, made with the intent of trying to ridicule and dismiss anybody who doesn't like the message that this show is putting out and the imaginary audience it is pandering to, I have explained at length why this show is a bad one, I have explained the 90% deviation from the source material is what has driven a lot of fans away, and the rest who have left have gone as a result of the terrible writing/acting/'insert any other reason here'.

since the US doesn't have any real history to it, I know it's hard for you to grasp that other people around the world are proud of things in their nation's history, and want to defend that from being trodden over by others, and that's precisely what I am doing, it's such an alien concept to you that you cannot fathom WHY this bastardization of such a beloved work is SO profoundly felt by those of us who grew up with it as an integral part of our childhoods, it's blatantly obvious you cannot see it for what it is because what it represents is all you know, Hollywood and by extension, the US, takes what others have and tries to co-op it into US culture but twists it and changes it to suit the masses so that your god, the almighty dollar can be satiated.

the global audience for this show is truly minuscule, it is literally just the US market keeping it above water at this point, and if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about this travesty of a production, then nothing will.

[rhorle]

the global audience for this show is truly minuscule, it is literally just the US market keeping it above water at this point, and if that doesn't tell you all you need to know about this travesty of a production, then nothing will.

According to Amazon, about 70% of the audience for Rings of Power comes from outside the U.S. https://deadline.com/2024/09/rings-o...on-1236100849/

[rogoth]

According to Amazon, about 70% of the audience for Rings of Power comes from outside the U.S. https://deadline.com/2024/09/rings-o...on-1236100849/

thank you for proving my point for me, when you get it, let me know.

[Syegfryed]

Its even better than that. Elrond says 'Look to the north', trying to copy Gandalf. But then it shows him looking to the east. Its obvious it is the east as it looks at the rising sun. And no, the sun does not rise in the north in middle earth.

The irony is that Khazad-dum is actually to the east of Ost-in-Edhil, so the dwarves would have been coming from the east anyway, not the north. Elrond only had to say 'Look to the east', but, nope, couldn't do that.

LMAO, its amazing how they do not give any shit about these things

I was hearing yesterday how the orcs catapults, or whatever they are, were not able to destroy the eregion walls(who did not exist in season 1), instead hit mountains miles away to dam the river

LIKE WHAT

And then, they do achieve that, but the ground is not complete mud, is all dry for the orcs to pass, its amazing, is like the volcano exploding by water in season but worse

[Veggie50]

I’m sure you all have very valid reasons to dislike the show.

My wife and I have been delighting in the last few episodes especially. Love the way they put the sauron / celebrimbor relationship, love how elronds portrayed as well as galadriel.

Really hoping they keep this up.

[kenn9530]

LMAO, its amazing how they do not give any shit about these things

I was hearing yesterday how the orcs catapults, or whatever they are, were not able to destroy the eregion walls(who did not exist in season 1), instead hit mountains miles away to dam the river

LIKE WHAT

And then, they do achieve that, but the ground is not complete mud, is all dry for the orcs to pass, its amazing, is like the volcano exploding by water in season but worse

Sauron was in eregion for years getting the rings forged not days or months, not hard to build some walls for a city of artisans is it and if a wall is strong enough a seige weapon wont penetrate it, we have examples of castle surviving today that have been sieged without the walls breaking, keep posting this nonsense gives ppl something to laugh about, wasting so much time hating something that you cant do anything about.

[rhorle]

Amazon now says Season 2 of “The Lord of The Rings: The Rings of Power” has reached 55 million global viewers since its launch 34 days ago on Aug. 29.

https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/the...rs-1236139568/

Not a big increase from the 40 million in the first 11 days but still a decent amount. Season 2 is in the top 5 most viewed television seasons on the Prime platform.

[Dhrizzle]

Sauron was in eregion for years getting the rings forged not days or months, not hard to build some walls for a city of artisans is it and if a wall is strong enough a seige weapon wont penetrate it, we have examples of castle surviving today that have been sieged without the walls breaking, keep posting this nonsense gives ppl something to laugh about, wasting so much time hating something that you cant do anything about.

I'm thoroughly enjoying the show but it is god awful at showing the passage of time. Sure someone willing to engage their brain-cells can assume that time has passed and maybe the Elves built a wall knowing they may be under threat, but there is a sliver of valid criticism among the bile about how the wall appeared. There's a lot of love and a lot of brilliance in Rings of Power but it has been rather clumsily put together.

[Syegfryed]

Sauron was in eregion for years

The show do not have a spawn of years, its one of the very hard critics trough season 1 and 2 how they fuck all the timeline and are terrible to show time passing, they even fuck up the time they themselves said in the show.

if a wall is strong enough a seige weapon wont penetrate it, we have examples of castle surviving today that have been sieged without the walls breaking

You are so fanatical that you didn't understood im talking about the bullshit of they not being able to attack the walls, but hitting a mountain miles away to dam the river

Thats is like a child playing with dolls narrative, its dumb, its dull

keep posting this nonsense gives ppl something to laugh about, wasting so much time hating something that you cant do anything about.

Its funny how you tried to defend everything you could, but didn't talk about how the place should be pure mud

Like i said, the narrative is dumb, there is no cohesive, things just happen, things just exist and they steal stuff from the movies because they can't do something good themselves

Its a problem when these kind of people try to write fantasy, they think anything happens because magic or because "isn't real".

And do not worry, i will keep posting the show nonsense for people to laugh, recent thing was how the female elf got throw from the wall and got killed by the orc, good to remind its a place she should not even be in the first place as civilian don't stay out in the open while a siege is going, but the children writing the show don't know that, they think is normal.

[kenn9530]

I'm thoroughly enjoying the show but it is god awful at showing the passage of time. Sure someone willing to engage their brain-cells can assume that time has passed and maybe the Elves built a wall knowing they may be under threat, but there is a sliver of valid criticism among the bile about how the wall appeared. There's a lot of love and a lot of brilliance in Rings of Power but it has been rather clumsily put together.

Scenes in the show can be months or years apart, traveling any large distance takes weeks or months and potentially years, the wall does not matter at all, as soon as word of orc armies were known they would of had years to build up defences if the city didn't have them already setup, a whole city of artisans could easily build up the defences in a pretty short time span considering they have access to all the material in the city they would need for it anyway.