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[Eapoe]

And what would you think about pointy ears?

If they removed pointy ears, would you think everyone still identified them as Elves easily? That there would be no attention drawn to the change?



Well it's not about me, is it? I'm not the one bringing attention and controversy to Rings of Power. I'm just making replies in a world of warcraft subforum. What I'm pointing out is this is beyond my personal definition of what a Dwarf is and looks like. It's about what others have expectations for, collectively.

The more change comes to a depiction that is already established, the more it's gonna draw attention to itself. And it has nothing to do with original source and texts. It has much more to do with expectations that have been established, across the board.



Personally? Yes, yes I do. I do think they are more beautiful. I don't think RoP really carried that same depiction, kind of hit and miss. I don't fault the series for it, it's their choice of direction, it's just different. And I don't think people have cared much about 'beauty' of Elves in general, it's subjective

But there’s nothing being removed from dwarves. There is only something being added (to preconceived notions, mind you, and not original source material). Do you think adding POC dwarves suddenly makes them unidentifiable as dwarves? Is that the argument you’re going for? Dwarves aren’t known for skin color, are they? At least not in Tolkien’s work.

You ARE the one bringing attention and controversy. That’s the hilarious part. Show creator adds POC for nothing more than being there, and people on forums, YT channels, and articles take to their platforms to scream controversy, pandering, and ‘the message.’ It would be controversial if Tolkien created a world where that race never existed, or had something in stark contrast, such as breathed fire and farted rainbow sprinkles. Putting in POC characters is not controversial, especially when the source material never had anything about it.

So, you don’t fault the series for, as you put it, being hit or miss with the depiction of elves that don’t specifically match the description in the books; but, you do have issue with dwarves having a skin color other than white when that was never stated anywhere.
I also included taller than men, a description of Tolkien’s elves, which is not subjective.

[Triceron]

But there’s nothing being removed from dwarves. There is only something being added (to preconceived notions, mind you, and not original source material). Do you think adding POC dwarves suddenly makes them unidentifiable as dwarves? Is that the argument you’re going for? Dwarves aren’t known for skin color, are they? At least not in Tolkien’s work.

Wouldn't you question the addition of Elves that appeared that looked like Warcraft's Blood Elves, with super long ears and super long eyebrows? Nothing's being removed, right?

You ARE the one bringing attention and controversy.

I'm replying in a thread that's already talking about Rings of Power. THe controversy exists well beyond this thread, wouldn't you agree?

If I stopped replying, do you think the controversy and attention to Black Dwarves in RoP suddenly goes away? This thread is 0.00001% of any and all of the talk surrounding RoP on the web. We're literally talking about it in a thread, in a sub forum, of a forum that is dedicated to talking about World of Warcraft. I can't imagine I'm making too much of an impact on the fanbase as a whole. There's like... less than 20 people active in the thread. This place is an echo chamber.

So, you don’t fault the series for, as you put it, being hit or miss with the depiction of elves that don’t specifically match the description in the books; but, you do have issue with dwarves having a skin color other than white when that was never stated anywhere.
I also included taller than men, a description of Tolkien’s elves, which is not subjective.

I don't have issue with dwarves having skin color other than white, I recognize that there exists an issue with it that has brought attention to itself, to the point where I'd consider it controversial.

I also included taller than men, a description of Tolkien’s elves, which is not subjective.

Which no one really cares about. Is it a controversy? No? Then it speaks to my point - the issue doesn't come from an interpretation of Tolkien's written works. It comes from expectations of what people understand and expect these fictional races to look like.



Which is why I ask you about ears. Because I'm not sure if you realize, but pointy ears is not in Tolkien's own works. It is PURELY a product of the decades of interpretation of what a Middle Earth Elf looks like. It's decades worth of adaptations of 'leaf shaped ears' that has become second nature to consider that Elves should have Pointy Ears. To the point where we discuss it freely without correcting each other on the nuances of Tolkien's original descriptions. Make sense?

Your mom would recognize an Elf by their pointy ears more than she would ever consider the original 'leaf shaped ears' description.

[jbombard]

You could of course look at the illustrations of the original Hobbit book and see that dwarves are shown as having white skin. Really it comes down to how far you want to get away from established works (not fan fiction actual published books and their illustrations) to justify the changes.

They have creative license they can do with it as they please. But it is hard to blame people for reacting negatively for out of the blue changes to depictions of a well published and well-established fantasy story/world.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You could of course look at the illustrations of the original Hobbit book and see that dwarves are shown as having white skin. Really it comes down to how far you want to get away from established works (not fan fiction actual published books and their illustrations) to justify the changes.

They have creative license they can do with it as they please. But it is hard to blame people for reacting negatively for out of the blue changes to depictions of a well published and well-established fantasy story/world.

Could you link said illustations, the only official things I can find from Tolken are from this page and it only ever shows Bilbo and smaug.

https://www.tolkienestate.com/painting/the-hobbit/

[jbombard]

Could you link said illustations, the only official things I can find from Tolken are from this page and it only ever shows Bilbo and smaug.

https://www.tolkienestate.com/painting/the-hobbit/

I checked again it wasn't the original. It was one of the earlier copies illustrated by Tove Jansson. The point is though there have been lots of books with lots of different illustrators and I have never seen a dwarf depicted with dark skin. These books set up the expectations people have. And movies and animation reference those books and further reinforce people's expectations.

Honestly I could care less but why not make them all dark skinned? The original 7 dwarves were essentially brothers, one would think they would have the same skin color. It felt out of place to me because she was different, how/why did she evolve differently from the other dwarves why is she special? That's really not important to the main story but design decisions like this bring about these kinds of questions which distract from the story.(and the Ring of Power creators have a serious problem with being distracted/unfocused... but season 2 is better)

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I checked again it wasn't the original. It was one of the earlier copies illustrated by Tove Jansson.

Ah, I had this same experience finding pictures I thought were form Tolkien but then turned out not to be.

Honestly I could care less but why not make them all dark skinned? The original 7 dwarves were essentially brothers, one would think they would have the same skin color. It felt out of place to me because she was different, how/why did she evolve differently from the other dwarves why is she special? That's really not important to the main story but design decisions like this bring about these kinds of questions which distract from the story.(and the Ring of Power creators have a serious problem with being distracted/unfocused... but season 2 is better)

can only speak for my self but if I was a god/arch angle making a race from scratch id absolutely have them be varied in tone/feature as it’s just more interesting.

As to Rop, I haven’t had time to watch the second season and at this rate it’s likely to fall into my long list “huh I should watch that show” that I forget about never get to, so Mabye it’s better in the second season but in the first season she’s like the only black dwarf no? even among back ground characters?

If so the show is just failing hard at making it just a natural part of depicting dwarfs as being able to be any colour as having background characters also be black makes it out to be just how dwarfs are instead of it just being one sole character.

[Eapoe]

Ah, I had this same experience finding pictures I thought were form Tolkien but then turned out not to be.

can only speak for my self but if I was a god/arch angle making a race from scratch id absolutely have them be varied in tone/feature as it’s just more interesting.

As to Rop, I haven’t had time to watch the second season and at this rate it’s likely to fall into my long list “huh I should watch that show” that I forget about never get to, so Mabye it’s better in the second season but in the first season she’s like the only black dwarf no? even among back ground characters?

If so the show is just failing hard at making it just a natural part of depicting dwarfs as being able to be any colour as having background characters also be black makes it out to be just how dwarfs are instead of it just being one sole character.

The thing that is kind of laughable to me at this point, seeing as how much I’ve had to look into Tolkien’s description and writing of the dwarves, is that there are people who are extremely upset about a POC dwarf and acting like it’s an affront to Tolkien for not staying true to some head canon source material. Meanwhile, we have actual written word of how female dwarves look like the male dwarves and have beards, and can be nigh indistinguishable, yet no one is batting an eye to that ‘egregious’ misrepresentation in the show.

[jbombard]

The thing that is kind of laughable to me at this point, seeing as how much I’ve had to look into Tolkien’s description and writing of the dwarves, is that there are people who are extremely upset about a POC dwarf and acting like it’s an affront to Tolkien for not staying true to some head canon source material. Meanwhile, we have actual written word of how female dwarves look like the male dwarves and have beards, and can be nigh indistinguishable, yet no one is batting an eye to that ‘egregious’ misrepresentation in the show.

Well there could be other female dwarves but because they look the same we just haven't realized it. But Disa already being completely different from what we expect a dwarf to look like, it is hard to judge her for not having a beard. Maybe non lore based dark skinned dwarves don't have beards. At the point they start making stuff up we know nothing about her origin or why she is different from all the other dwarves so the beard is just another aspect of that.

[rogoth]

The thing that is kind of laughable to me at this point, seeing as how much I’ve had to look into Tolkien’s description and writing of the dwarves, is that there are people who are extremely upset about a POC dwarf and acting like it’s an affront to Tolkien for not staying true to some head canon source material. Meanwhile, we have actual written word of how female dwarves look like the male dwarves and have beards, and can be nigh indistinguishable, yet no one is batting an eye to that ‘egregious’ misrepresentation in the show.

yes, we did, all the way back several hundred pages when they first revealed the cast alongside their characters' mugshots, there were pages of arguments about the whole tokenism bullshit, alongside the fact that any female dwarves didn't have beards, and it was argued at length about the reasoning behind it being purely because these showrunners either don't know the source material (likely) and/or they don't care and their egos and hubris believe they can do what they like with the material they have to work with.

in fact there was a massive comedy track going on about the absolute state of the wig 'disa' was given for her mugshot, it was not only askew on her head, but you could clearly see where they had tried to photoshop her and the wig and failed spectacularly, so if you're that bothered you can go back that far and read what everyone was saying about that particular little nugget back then, but just know, the vast majority of the shit that has been offered up with this show has been called out for being shit long before even a single episode released, and everything that was said by those of us who wanted the source material stuck to in the majority called out just how horrific this show was going to be, not to mention the myriad youtube videos by multiple different people on the various comedy aspects of this amateur mess.

[Eapoe]

yes, we did, all the way back several hundred pages when they first revealed the cast alongside their characters' mugshots, there were pages of arguments about the whole tokenism bullshit, alongside the fact that any female dwarves didn't have beards, and it was argued at length about the reasoning behind it being purely because these showrunners either don't know the source material (likely) and/or they don't care and their egos and hubris believe they can do what they like with the material they have to work with.

in fact there was a massive comedy track going on about the absolute state of the wig 'disa' was given for her mugshot, it was not only askew on her head, but you could clearly see where they had tried to photoshop her and the wig and failed spectacularly, so if you're that bothered you can go back that far and read what everyone was saying about that particular little nugget back then, but just know, the vast majority of the shit that has been offered up with this show has been called out for being shit long before even a single episode released, and everything that was said by those of us who wanted the source material stuck to in the majority called out just how horrific this show was going to be, not to mention the myriad youtube videos by multiple different people on the various comedy aspects of this amateur mess.

Nope, not interested in going back and hunting for them. If you say people were upset about female dwarves not having beards, I’ll believe you and stand corrected (wouldn’t mind you finding a quote or linking a page to support the claim, though). Im also not bothered about it, as I said it is laughable. As for the last few pages, I have not seen that and have only seen people upset about a non white dwarf existing and how it’s somehow an affront to the source material.

[rogoth]

Nope, not interested in going back and hunting for them. If you say people were upset about female dwarves not having beards, I’ll believe you and stand corrected (wouldn’t mind you finding a quote or linking a page to support the claim, though). Im also not bothered about it, as I said it is laughable. As for the last few pages, I have not seen that and have only seen people upset about a non white dwarf existing and how it’s somehow an affront to the source material.

here is just one quote from someone early on, amongst a long list of many other similar posts:

100% this. When I saw the trailer I was kinda thrown off balance by the high and tight haircut + women dwarfs with no beards.... literally makes no sense. Feels more like Chronicles of Narnia story-wise in the trailer too, like wtf.

and just to provide you with as much context as I possibly can, when this show first started with their media tour bullshit 2.5 years ago, as soon as the cast and characters they would be playing were revealed, coupled with the known racist hiring mandate of Amazon, it was abundantly clear the actor they picked for 'disa' and 'don lemonlas' were there purely because of that hiring mandate and not because they were the best candidates for the characters, as has been argued to death at this point, I and many others don't care what colour they are, that there exists a single token character that is both jarring and doesn't fit the established characterisations of dwarves and elves in this particular work, so having them thrust down peoples' throats and then being told you're racist because you don't understand why a SINGLE character of each race needs to exist just to be a token hire, that's the issue at hand, and then you have the white knight brigade as witnessed here the past dozen pages or whatever it's at now DEMANDING people justify why they don't like this abnormal depiction and when it's explained you get the usual ist/ism/phobe name calling that's lost all meaning because it's flung around with reckless abandon.

simply put, 'we' called out everything that would happen in this show before the first episodes aired, every single criticism that was levied at the pre-release 'teaser' material was proven true when the episodes aired, trying to get it through the denser than a white dwarf star minds of the aforementioned white knights and rainbow mafia members is like trying to get blood from a stone, they just use the same old tirade of nonsense and this is where we are at right now.

[Adamas102]

We wouldn't have to talk about it if there were an explanation, however brief. A blurb about Aule creating everyone in the color of stone, a blurb about different Dwarf clans from the east, whatever it may be.

Why can't you explain it away to yourself with that reasoning? The show didn't say that Aule DIDN'T make dwarves that way. It's not important to the characters in the show so there's no reason to explain it in the show. If you can come up with your own idea for how it makes sense (which you literally just did) then you shouldn't have a problem internalizing that and moving on. Why do you need the show to hold your hand on something so mundane?

Because the show immediately shows you a black character and a white character are sisters. Normally people would be curious about the true nature of their relationship, how and why they are sisters.

This is just such a bizarre line of thinking...

No, it's not an elephant in the room and I wouldn't demand some sort of explanation for that. There are so many reasons why two characters/people would call themselves brothers or sisters. You do realize that, right? "Normal" people certainly do. It tells me they have a close relationship, and unless the rest of their background is integral to the story there doesn't need to be any more explanation than that. I'm not going to get hung up on some weird tangent about how those phenotypes wouldn't suggest identical parentage in the real world.

I also find it utterly ridiculous that you can suspend your disbelief for a setting as outlandish as that one, but then having actors of different skin color call themselves sisters is something that needs explaining. God forbid that two actors who aren't actually related in real life play relatives in a fun, fictional show.

Like an example I gave previously, is it wrong for someone to hold the opinion for Chadwick Boseman to play as the (loosely) African-based T'challa character, without him actually being from Africa? I don't think it is. And whatever reactions said otherwise would color that opinion, since I don't really support any type of 'fuming' or spewing of racial vitriol. We can still have a moderate conversation about these actors, characters and roles without automatically framing it in black-and-white terms.

Your example is still poorly framed because the discussion didn't have anything to do with suggesting an actor might be well suited for a particular role, but rather that black actors should be steered predominately towards roles pertaining to Africa. Forget about Chadwick and lets talk about Sophia Nomvete, the actor who plays Disa. The poster I replied to essentially said that she should find roles in works based on African folklore rather than European folklore. Sophia was born and raised in England, not Africa. Saying that she's not the right color to participate in the fantastical works of her homeland is very much racist.

Yet who are you to be the judge of mentality?

A religious fundamentalist could judge someone to be sinful for the wrong reasons as well. 'You play that Dungeons and Dragons? That's the Devil's game, you're going to hell!'. In their views, the mentality of 'worship of false idols' can be twisted to apply to video games and role playing games, and they can choose to paint anyone who partakes in these kind of games as being sinners who will go to hell. Is this a universal standard for the mentality of people who play Dungeons and Dragons? Are they all devil worshippers, or worshippers of false idols? I would argue it wouldn't be.

OK, this has got to be the most insane racist apologist rant I have ever seen. We can't judge a mentality that actively pushes to disenfranchise and marginalize people based on the color of their skin because ignorant religious fundamentalists judged people who played fantasy games? What in the actual fuck?

Yes, I can absolutely judge people who take issue with black actors having roles in movies and shows that those people expect to be populated only by white people. Everyone should.

Throughout our back and forth, you clearly see me on the opposite end of the table from your position. Would you consider me being the latter, as a vitriolic racist who is fuming at woke culture destroying everything? I honestly hope not. I'm still trying my best to be respectful of all opinions in this matter, even if I think you are prone to bad faith arguments and blatant ignorance.

Suggesting that the show was in the wrong for simply casting non-white actors and not coddling the people who find that weird is definitely helping to perpetuate division and marginalization. I've seen that you certainly have a lot of misconceptions pertaining to skin color, race, culture, and ethnicity, which in turn affects the way you approach some of these issues. You've also proven time and again that you have very strong biases pertaining to skin color given that you think the best way to employ a diverse cast in a fictional world is to make sure there is adequate division built into the world to support that. You also seem to think it's gravy for people to desire racial "purity".

Additionally, people don't need to be respectful of all opinions. I still remember back in season 1 at least one poster in this thread openly saying that black people can't play elves because elves are supposed to be beautiful. That is not an opinion worth respecting and very much should be challenged. There was a lot more of that type of talk back then, and I'm guessing there's less now because the worst offenders eventually got themselves banned. Unfortunately, a lot of your arguments would bolster people like that, whether or not that's actually your intention.

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Wouldn't you question the addition of Elves that appeared that looked like Warcraft's Blood Elves, with super long ears and super long eyebrows? Nothing's being removed, right?

Duuuuude, another bad faith example in the same vein as blue skinned dwarves.

PJ depicted elves as REGULAR HUMANS with slightly pointed ears. Arondir doesn't deviate from that since he too looks like a REGULAR HUMAN with slightly pointed ears.

You keep suggesting over and over that dark skin is basically on the same level as completely non-human features. That adding diversity by simply hiring an actor with dark skin means you might as well just toss in horns and tails and green skin and glowing eyes since "everything" is on the table. Like I said before, it's dehumanizing.

[DarkAmbient]

Authenticity and internal consistency are important for the portrayal of any world, whether real or fictional. When you present a world on screen to an audience, everyone and everything in it has to look, sound, and behave like they belong there. Get any of those wrong and you break the illusion.

[Askyl]

This threads still delievers I see. A bunch of people getting their info from ChatGPT and arguing against each other about make believe.-. Keep it up It's quite fun.

To try to stay on topic, Season 2 was an absolute blast of a season. Same issues as first season but way reduced and not as bad writing and pacing. My gripe is that Season 2 should have been Season 1 and 2. Having them follow original story with how the rings are created, Season 2 being about Sauron creating the one ring and the sacking of Eregion. It would have just been a much better show.

Dragging out Gandalf reveal was quite off. It would have been so much better if they just called him Grand-elf in the end of Season 1 and stuck with Gandalf from the get-go. I have no issues with it being Gandalf, but a mystery box needs a mystery.

it's still very entertaining and it's also a bit fun to see what they do for someone that knows the story in detail. Season 1 for me was 7/10 and Season 2 touching around 8.5/10. Getting good!

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Rofl. 25 minutes watching is enough to judge a TV series. That is not healthy. That is dumb.

I don't defend this shit show. I actually endured the whole of its first season, not because i hatewatched it, but i wanted to give it the benefit of a doubt, considering it was made by largely inexperienced people and had mostly a cast not full of celebrities.

But i suppose watching a whole episode, or 2 or 3 to have an even better idea is such a waste of anyone's time, despite loving Tokien's work.

25 minutes is absolutely not enough to judge a TV series. With your logic, if you mean the first 25 minutes of Rings of Power in Season 1, I guess you find the show fantastic because the intro was an absolute blast.

[Syegfryed]

simply put, 'we' called out everything that would happen in this show before the first episodes aired, every single criticism that was levied at the pre-release 'teaser' material was proven true when the episodes aired

I have to correct you here, it wasn't proven true, we were wrong, it was actually WAY WORSE than what we thought it would be

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To try to stay on topic, Season 2 was an absolute blast of a season. Same issues as first season but way reduced and not as bad writing and pacing.

Lmao, i know very well what you are trying to do here, and people know as well. But i have to point out how ironic the words of "not as bad writing and pacing" then immediately start talking about the moronic and idiotic "grand-elf" plot.

Its like the joke writing itself.

Also, second season is literally worse than season 1 in every way possible. Even in editing, you get one episode finale with Arondir shanked, left for dead. But the next episode he is good as new, not a single wound or marks in his armor.

They clearly fucked up in a scene somewhere, its baffling how amateur and bad this show is

25 minutes is absolutely not enough to judge a TV series.

Just by some interviews was enough to judge THIS serie.

I guess you find the show fantastic because the intro was an absolute blast.

The intro where Guyladriel beat the shit of other elf kids, cause the elf kids were for some reason bullying her in elf heaven? where they come up with one of the most retarded dialogue in a tv show? "the stone look down and the ship look up" or whatever that crap was? yeah, a blast of diarrhea

[Kumorii]

The first 25 minutes showed me this would be a comedic mess and so far it hasn't disappointed.

[Triceron]

Why can't you explain it away to yourself with that reasoning?

Because it's not on me to explain away a show's creative decision to challenge the expectations of decades worth of depictions of Dwarves.

Even if I did explain it with my own reasoning, do you think controversy around black skinned dwarves goes away? Do you understand my point here? It's not about what 'I' think can be explained, because *I* am not the one who has a problem with Dwarves skin colors not matching up to expectations. Much of the controversy comes from expectations being challenged by the creative decisions that the show runners have taken.

We can't judge a mentality that actively pushes to disenfranchise and marginalize people based on the color of their skin because ignorant religious fundamentalists judged people who played fantasy games? What in the actual fuck?

You still miss my point.

You can challenge it, but you're not gonna be much different from the fundamentalist trying to stop people playing games by calling them sinners. The approach of judgement is what is wrong. How many people would actually STOP playing D&D by being chastised? Do you understand my point here?

Calling out racism doesn't stop racism. If you actually understood what racism is and have actually dealt with it, you'd know this. But clearly, you seem to have been indoctrined with some false belief that racism can actually be combatted by passing judgement on their mentality, and that fails on multiple levels. One, a person with actual racist beliefs wouldn't even care about what you're calling them. And two, a person might not even be racist and, calling them racist just makes them think you're an idiot. All passing judgement does is divide people into tribes. Plenty of people on here, who had a very moderate position on these topics, have taken 'sides' because of polarized buzz words being attacked. On both sides. Someone says Woke, then one side gets triggered. Someone says Bigot, the other side gets triggered. Anyone caught in between gets fucked. There's no resolution to that shit by sticking to the guns and thinking either 'side' can win.

We're all trolling the fuck out of each other in an echo chamber. I've been very clear about that for a very long time now.


I'm literally just pointing out the trainwreck. I've got no stakes in Rings of Power's choices to diversify. I'm not responsible for the flak they've attacted for themselves. I'm just pointing out reasonings for it to have happened.

No, it's not an elephant in the room

I'd disagree. If there wasn't an elephant in the room, then there's no reason for you to ever see negative comments and controversy surrounding 'Black Aragorn' in the MTG game that you told me about. Make sense?

Forget about Chadwick and lets talk about Sophia Nomvete, the actor who plays Disa. The poster I replied to essentially said that she should find roles in works based on African folklore rather than European folklore. Sophia was born and raised in England, not Africa. Saying that she's not the right color to participate in the fantastical works of her homeland is very much racist.

And I'd hedge my bets that the poster knows what buttons to push to get you riled up. You make yourself very easy to fuck with, and you're surprised why someone would say outlandish shit like that? I'm not convinced that the person you talked to is actually as racist as you think they are. I think it's more a matter of escalating tensions, and shifting a perogative from explain one's position to fucking with the person who clearly has no intention of having a moderate discussion.

Which is what happens on forums like these.

I'd honestly believe this kind of conversation would play out differently if done face to face, in real life, without the assholery that comes with anonymity.

IMO, you got played. They wanted to get a reaction out of you, and they got one.

PJ depicted elves as REGULAR HUMANS with slightly pointed ears.

Not many people would expect a Middle Earth Elf to look like a Blood Elf. Yet anyone can choose to made an adaptation that has that depiction if they so chose.

Do you have a problem with the example itself?

[En Sabah Nur]

If ever a post showed you why you simply shouldn't bother, its the one above. Just ignore the guy, for the love of God. He's more polite, but he's actually worse than even the guy that froths at the mouth over an "alphabet" mafia.

[Rocksteady 87]

The first 25 minutes showed me this would be a comedic mess and so far it hasn't disappointed.

Ironically, the one character in the entire setting that was intended to be a "comedic mess" by Tolkien... wasn't. Don't want to spoil too much, but they show up in the second season. Indeed, they were arguably the most calm, sane, and stable character in the series. And if that doesn't demonstrate how bad the series is--that they fuck up even that character in that way--then I don't know what does.

You know, aside from black dwarves. Which, apparently, is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity. Because somehow that is a thousand times worse than all the other objectively awful choices made in the series.

[Triceron]

If ever a post showed you why you simply shouldn't bother, its the one above. Just ignore the guy, for the love of God. He's more polite, but he's actually worse than even the guy that froths at the mouth over an "alphabet" mafia.

Wouldn't be so bad if you didn't already admit:

You can ignore people all you like, doesn't stop them replying to you