Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Triceron]

care to point out which word is implying it’s about quality and not amount? Is it magnitude? Smaller?

Is he complaining about amount?

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Technically anything that is done in regards to someones race is racism. It’s the definition if the word.

Boosting one ethnic group also means you demote the chances of another ethnic group, since it’s a zero sum game.

So yeah, casting a black actor cuz you want more diversity is racism, and can be interpreted as anti white. Casting a black actor cuz he did best in the audition doesn’t though.

Many people refuse to believe the second narrative though.

Amazon having a diversity policy in place doesn't help believe the second narrative that's for sure.

[Dhrizzle]

Technically anything that is done in regards to someones race is racism. It’s the definition if the word.

Boosting one ethnic group also means you demote the chances of another ethnic group, since it’s a zero sum game.

So yeah, casting a black actor cuz you want more diversity is racism, and can be interpreted as anti white. Casting a black actor cuz he did best in the audition doesn’t though.

Many people refuse to believe the second narrative though.

So in this case, if they had decided to cast actors who matched the descriptions in the books (i.e. all white) that would also be racism to you?

[Veggie50]

So in this case, if they had decided to cast actors who matched the descriptions in the books (i.e. all white) that would also be racism to you?

Technically yes.

ANY decision based on race is racism. Because racism means discrimination / differentiation based on race.

The term has nothing to do with minorities, but that’s where it causes most outrage, so there is an association.

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Is he complaining about amount?

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Amazon having a diversity policy in place doesn't help believe the second narrative that's for sure.

I agree, diversity policies are ridiculous. I believe it worker out decently well in rings of power, so I’m happy with that.

It may also be a necessary evil. An overcorrection because the system wouldn’t budge through normal means. It should be ended asap though.

[Syegfryed]

Those phrases are literally the only things Tolkien published for those events

sure, maybe the silmarilion have just two pages right? there is nothing, just phrases

You cannot make an argument without being obnoxiously disingenuous .

First off, stop using words that you don't know the definitions off. Secondly, yes if that's what Tolkien wrote and he wrote no other details and that is what is depicted in the show then you would ABSOLUTELY say that it adhered to the source material.

then why was Galadriel there? tolkien did not write him, Adar? him getting the elven ring? they didn't adhere to shit besides "eregion was attacked by orcs"

Same for other events, where is Galadriel husband? how are they adhering to the source if they complete remove a character from the narrative to add others?

Is just using bullet points to write fanfiction.

Making the rings was not Sauron's plan.

ayyyyy lmao, like i said, cannot say shit without being disingenuous

That's not true AT ALL. T

That is literally true

You cannot possible say the movie did more and more impactful changes to the story compared to the show, you cannot if you actually want to make a decent argument

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So you didn't read the quote or what?

Hint - Its not about there being changes, its about the quality of the changes.

You cant reason with these people, they only want to call ist and phobes

They literally cling in THE ONE THING they can use as shield and cherrypick the rest

Like i said before, if they cant cry racist of sexist, they will cry "the movies made changes and you are not complaining about it!1!1" so your argument is invalid!!1!"

As an example, the movies did change Aragorn personality, but the show did change Galadriel personality as well, which is worse? the show, because it made the character an insufferable dumbass. Aragorn was not, he as a character, was still fine, even if the trope of relutanct hero was used going against the book.

[Rocksteady 87]

You cant reason with these people, they only want to call ist and phobes

They literally cling in THE ONE THING they can use as shield and cherrypick the rest

Like i said before, if they cant cry racist of sexist, they will cry "the movies made changes and you are not complaining about it!1!1" so your argument is invalid!!1!"

<just eats popcorn as you personify the behavior>

"OMG YOU GUYS, I AIN'T A BIGOT! I just hate that there's black dwarves in this show, cause, uhm... <checks latest list of excuses for the bigotry in this thread> ...this time it doesn't match Tolkien's canon! No wait, it's about expectations... no wait wait wait, it's about the quality now that people have pointed out that canon doesn't talk about it. Yeah, that's the ticket, see, I ain't a bigot, I just have refined tastes! Yeah, yeah, that's it!!! Until next week when I come up with a new excuse for being the bigot I 100% am!!!"

"OMG YOU GUYS, I AIN'T A BIGOT! Heimdall is the WHITE god! WHITE! He can't be played by a black man, cause, uhm... <checks the list for that thread> ...that's the way words work! See, I'm totes not a bigot, just a grammar nazi!"

"OMG YOU GUYS, I AIN'T A BIGOT! Starbuck can't be a female! Why? Because, uhm... <checks the list for that thread> ...it's right there in the name, BUCK! That's a male deer! Not a bigot, it's just how English works!"

etc. ad infinitum

[Fixxit the Gnome]

This is completely besides the point. Nowhere did I mention Galadriel. I agree she is one of the weakest part of the show. If I would give any sliver of a benefit of doubt to the showrunners, I would think she is supposed to start that way and grow into the Galadriel we know, but honestly I just believe they have fumbled her character in so many ways.

However, are you honestly telling me that if RotK was released today and after the iconic "I am no man!" scene, two dozens Youtube channels wouldn't plaster a unflattering photo of Miranda Otto on their thumbnails and name their videos "LOTR goes FULL GIRLBOSS TOTAL DISASTER GO WOKE GO BROKE"?

The original point of my post is that the modern ragebait industry would tear those movies to shreds if they got released today, and they wasn't fortunate enough to watch them in their formative years. The show is not that bad as the rage-inducers would have you believe. It's not a great show, but it's not horrible either.

[DarkAmbient]

However, are you honestly telling me that if RotK was released today and after the iconic "I am no man!" scene, two dozens Youtube channels wouldn't plaster a unflattering photo of Miranda Otto on their thumbnails and name their videos "LOTR goes FULL GIRLBOSS TOTAL DISASTER GO WOKE GO BROKE"?

The original point of my post is that the modern ragebait industry would tear those movies to shreds if they got released today, and they wasn't fortunate enough to watch them in their formative years. The show is not that bad as the rage-inducers would have you believe. It's not a great show, but it's not horrible either.

I actually don't think they would. That Eowyn moment was definitely criticised at the time for being cheesy, and I can imagine the Nerdrotic video thumbnail of it. I winced when she said it. Most viewers would have had no idea of Glorfindel's prophecy, given that he was omitted from the films. But despite Jackson making quite significant changes, it all felt very respectfully done, and the passion he and his team had for the source material was evident. I don't get that same sense from the people who made RoP.

[rogoth]

This is completely besides the point. Nowhere did I mention Galadriel. I agree she is one of the weakest part of the show. If I would give any sliver of a benefit of doubt to the showrunners, I would think she is supposed to start that way and grow into the Galadriel we know, but honestly I just believe they have fumbled her character in so many ways.

However, are you honestly telling me that if RotK was released today and after the iconic "I am no man!" scene, two dozens Youtube channels wouldn't plaster a unflattering photo of Miranda Otto on their thumbnails and name their videos "LOTR goes FULL GIRLBOSS TOTAL DISASTER GO WOKE GO BROKE"?

The original point of my post is that the modern ragebait industry would tear those movies to shreds if they got released today, and they wasn't fortunate enough to watch them in their formative years. The show is not that bad as the rage-inducers would have you believe. It's not a great show, but it's not horrible either.

no, because the prophecy laid down by Glorfindel, which it should be noted the Witch King of Angmar took to mean literally, stated categorically that he would die but not by the hand of man, literal quote:- "Do not pursue him, he will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall." so it is perfectly in character, and also has more than enough contextual build up behind it.

[rhorle]

Amazon's Rings of Power is not an adaption of J.R.R. Tolkien's work.

Pure copium. It is an adaptation. Adaptations come in all shapes and sizes and are simply taking something from one medium and bringing it to another. The Whiz is an adaptation of The Wizard of Oz despite it changing a bunch of stuff. Romeo + Juliet (1996) is an adaptation of the shakespear play despite it having guns and taking place in a suburb of Miami.

The same people that are disappointed for not seeing Professor Tolkien's story adapted should be upset by Jackson's work, right? Since he didn't adapt Professor Tolkien's work faithfully either. Hence why the estate, and his son, was so upset over the direction Jackson took. Yet very few will treat those films the same as they are treating Rings of Power.

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You cant reason with these people, they only want to call ist and phobes

Only when people make statements that are bigoted. For example we know that quality of changes isn't important because dark-skinned dwarves are complained about because it deviates from lore. It isn't a poor quality change. The goal posts have shifted as people now need to defend why they treat Rings of Power differently then the Jackson work.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Is he complaining about amount?

That would be what saying “the magnitude is smaller” means yes. Theres not a word about quality in the post.

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You cant reason with these people, they only want to call ist and phobes.

There are no ist or phobes in my post, calm down you preputial victim.

[Triceron]

That would be what saying “the magnitude is smaller” means yes. Theres not a word about quality in the post.

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There are no ist or phobes in my post, calm down you preputial victim.

He literally clarified it is quality in the ist and phobe post you quoted and conveniently cut off.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

He literwlly clarified it is quality in the isms post you quote here and conveniently cut off.

Sorry but no, I’m not going to take the windging portion of his post where he’s making up ghost to fight seriously. What he meant is clear where he addressed the same thing to Adamas.

You cannot possible say the movie did more and more impactful changes to the story compared to the show, you cannot if you actually want to make a decent argument

It’s not about quality it’s about there being more changes and them being more impactful which doesn’t have an innate quality to it.

[Triceron]

Sorry but no, I’m not going to take the windging portion of his post where he’s making up ghost to fight seriously. What he meant is clear where he addressed the same thing to Adamas.



It’s not about quality it’s about there being more changes and them being more impactful which doesn’t have an innate quality to it.

Being impactful is quality no need to mince my words. Quality is my description of the same thing you are regarding as impactful even though he didn't use that exact verbiage in the original post. Semantics.

He originally said 'the magnitude of the changes' which implies quality and impact, however you wish to regard it. He didn't say 'the magnitude of changes' which would imply quantity. Feel free to correct my interpretation.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Being impactful ia quality, keep mincing words though, you're really starting to convince me you're being authentic

You say I’m mincing words yet you’re the one saying impact and quality are the same thing when they are unrelated.

[Triceron]

You say I’m mincing words yet you’re the one saying impact and quality are the same thing when they are unrelated.

Maybe to you, who wishes to argue for the sake of arguing rather than concede you were wrong about quantity altogether. Nice deflection tactic.

I have no intent to further defend what Syegfred already clarified. If you don,'t believe it who am I to change your mind? Keep your beliefs about quantity and impact of no inherent quality. Your Interpretation changes nothing to me.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Maybe to you, who wishes to argue for the sake of arguing rather than concede you were wrong about quantity altogether. Nice deflection tactic.

There Not to literally every one, and stop projecting your want to anrgue onto me.

You can even just look at the PJ movies alone to prove the point. aragorn Being given an immortal ghost army is an impactful change, and it’s a low quality one as it raising the question why they don’t just slaughter the orcs given they can’t die in turn. Taking out the scourging of the shire is also a impactful change, but it’s a high quality one (to most people) as it gives the movies a happier ending.

Impact in no way relates to quality no matter what level of impact a change has it can be good or bad rather its major events character personality’s or so forth and the Pj movies exemplify this with there changes being impactful and both good and bad.

[Triceron]

There Not to literally every, stop projecting your want to anrgue onto me.

I'm not projecting.

You can recognize he is not talking about quantity but argued with me to explain his words to you, only to reject all explanations when proven wrong.

Now you are deflecting. You can't even quote the stuff that matters, only cherry picking quotes you want to argue.

ou can even just look at the PJ movies alone to prove the point. aragorn Being given an immortal ghost army is an impactful change, and it’s a low quality one as it raising the question why they don’t just slaughter the orcs given they can’t die in turn. Taking out the scourging of the shire is also a impactful change, but it’s a high quality one (to most people) as it gives the movies a happier ending.

Is he defending that scene and that change? If not, why muddle his message if not tobargue your own interpretation rather than actually recognize his actual message and examples?

Impact in no way relates to quality no matter what level of impact a change has it can be good or bad rather its major events character personality’s or so forth and the Pj movies exemplify this with there changes being impactful and both good and bad.

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Then you admit that the interpretation you present contextually makes no sense if he has a problem with impact and you say impact has no inherent good or bad. He is clearly denoting what he thinks is good and bad, subjective values which I consider in the realm of conversation of quality.

Quality is not exvlusively objective.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I'm not projecting.

You can recognize he is not talking about quantity but argued with me to explain his words to you, only to reject all explanations when proven wrong.

I never asked for you to explain any thing, I asked which words in the post were about quality, you couldn’t provide any because they don’t exist.

Now you are deflecting. You can't even quote the stuff that matters, only cherry picking quotes you want to argue.

again projecting. I gave you two impactful changes of different quality's, you didn’t quote those which mattered, you cherry picked because you wanted to argue.

[Syegfryed]

<just eats popcorn as you personify the behavior>

"OMG YOU GUYS, I AIN'T A BIGOT! I just hate that there's black dwarves in this show, cause, uhm... <checks latest list of excuses for the bigotry in this thread> ...this time it doesn't match Tolkien's canon! No wait, it's about expectations... no wait wait wait, it's about the quality now that people have pointed out that canon doesn't talk about it. Yeah, that's the ticket, see, I ain't a bigot, I just have refined tastes! Yeah, yeah, that's it!!! Until next week when I come up with a new excuse for being the bigot I 100% am!!!"

"OMG YOU GUYS, I AIN'T A BIGOT! Heimdall is the WHITE god! WHITE! He can't be played by a black man, cause, uhm... <checks the list for that thread> ...that's the way words work! See, I'm totes not a bigot, just a grammar nazi!"

"OMG YOU GUYS, I AIN'T A BIGOT! Starbuck can't be a female! Why? Because, uhm... <checks the list for that thread> ...it's right there in the name, BUCK! That's a male deer! Not a bigot, it's just how English works!"

etc. ad infinitum

You are so funny

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That would be what saying “the magnitude is smaller” means yes. Theres not a word about quality in the post.

I mean, you know very well what i meant

There are no ist or phobes in my post, calm down you preputial victim.

Sure, lets not pretend this all revolves to this in the end and you, like the others, are not just waiting for the chance to do that, like many times before /s

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I mean, you know very well what i meant

I do as you’ve mentioned plenty of times that you think the PJ movies have less changes.

Sure, lets not pretend this all revolves to this in the end and you, like the others, are not just waiting for the chance to do that, like many times before /s

is this more real life fanfic like when you said I was posting in the she hulk thread even though in said thread you your self said I wasn’t taking part?

If I wanted to call you or any one else in this thread racist I would just like others have been doing for pages, I have no problem calling people out if I feel it to be true.