Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Syegfryed]

This would be so much simpler if you just admitted that you don't know what you're talking about

This would be much simpler if you just admitted that all your arguments here have being disingenuous and fallacious trying to defend a failure of a show

If all he wrote was "Eregion laid waste" and the show has Eregion being overrun and destroyed then yes, you would say that it's adhering to the source material. That's literally what they did.

That not all that he wrote.

Why was Galadriel there? Tolkien never said she wasn't.

Then you are nto fucking adhering to the source material if you are literally adding stuff Tolkien didn't say, your argument is "he never said shit DIDN'T happen, so the clowns making the show can add literally anything that tolkien didn't outright said it wasn't."

I guess they can make Galadriel MAKE OUT with Elrond, because tolkien never said they didn't right? that is adhering to the source?

Great, you refuted yourself.

but that doesn't matter.

Yeah, if something put holes as big as this in your lame argument "it doesn't matter".

The show has added a lot more stuff because the source material was bare bones, but it's simply a fact that the movies made FAR more changes to the stuff that Tolkien actually wrote.

That is factually wrong, but you can still try to pretend that is true, just like people like to pretend the show is a success.

[rhorle]

Then you are nto fucking adhering to the source material if you are literally adding stuff Tolkien didn't say, your argument is "he never said shit DIDN'T happen, so the clowns making the show can add literally anything that tolkien didn't outright said it wasn't."

Yes, that is what happens in adaptations. Jackson did, Kamiyama did, Amazon did it. The various video games have done it. You can adhere to source material and change stuff at the same time. Every adaptation will do it because a 1:1 adaptation will never work. At least not until you can 100% generate everything with AI. Once that can happen we might see adaptations that don't deviate or change anything.

That is factually wrong, but you can still try to pretend that is true, just like people like to pretend the show is a success.

It is not factually true. There is no fleshed out story surrounding the second age. The show is also a success despite its problems.

[InfiniteCharger]

So what? Europe IS more diverse today and these stories belong to ALL Europeans, not just the ones who happen to look like Europeans from 1,500 years ago. You're trying to conflate history with the retelling of history. The real Anne Boleyn died almost 500 years ago and nothing will change that. That's history. However, the retelling of her story can indeed evolve and change. Just as mythologies evolved over time with the people who told the stories, there is absolutely no reason for Middle-earth not to evolve as well to encompass the diversity of the people telling these stories now. Suggesting that these stories should remain stagnant as a way to uphold some archaic belief of what YOU think it means to be a European does a massive disservice to Tolkien's legacy.

Nobody said that Lord of the Rings only belongs to Europeans from 1,500 years ago. What was said was a story based on fairy tales and mythology from Europe 1,500 years ago would not have the diversity of modern day parts of Britain. Just like you don't need to update the Illiad and Odyssey to reflect modern day Greece, or King Arthur and the Round Table or Anne Bolyn. Nor should that mean that ancient Chinese epics should be updated to include global diversity and modern travel or ancient native American epics and tales updated to reflect modern American populations. And you are missing the point that the reason modern Europe is diverse is because there are different groups there from outside of Europe. Pakistani, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Nigerian, Jamaican, Trinidadian and other populations in Britain look the way they do and have the customs and traditions they do because of their heritage from where they came, not from being European. That is simply the reality of how diversity works.

The point is that diversity has not and does not mean melting pot and this has never been the basis of it. Because when you have a melting pot, that decreases diversity because people living together and procreating means less diversity as they become more homogenized over time. Diversity arises due to separation and distance between populations who adapt to different environments and have different phenotypes as a result and different cultures, langues and customs. And this concept of diversity is what Lord of the Rings and the entire High Fantasy genre is based on, including the MMO this forum is dedicated to, WOW. As in WOW different groups dwarves, elves, trolls and so forth have different appearances, customs and traditions due to being separated from each other for long periods of time. All of that originates with Tolkien and other writers and this idea of melting pots where every group of elves, dwarves or humans have to include all variations of those groups is totally a contradiction of the world building and fantasy the genre is based on.

What makes Tolkien significant in the history and evolution of the high fantasy genre is he put a lot of time and effort into the history and origin of all the various groups populating the world of Arda. And that includes how the world itself came about and how each of these individual groups were created and how they were dispersed across the planet. That world building is what separates Tolkien from other authors who simply use the world as a backdrop and setting for whatever story or narrative they are unfolding. Whereas Tolkien even attempted to make genealogies for different clans and groups of dwarves, elves and humans as a sort of family tree. None of that exists in the Rings of Power, where you have the random individual black elves showing up with no hint or concept of their origins and lineage and why they would look different from other elves. Same thing with the Numenoreans, where you have Tar Miriel as an individual black female among other Numenoreans who are not black with no other explanation or even attempt to show why that would happen. As opposed to how George RR Martin adapted House of the Dragon and actually made one of the major clans black and gave them a genealogy and family tree.

[rhorle]

Nobody said that Lord of the Rings only belongs to Europeans from 1,500 years ago. What was said was a story based on fairy tales and mythology from Europe 1,500 years ago would not have the diversity of modern day parts of Britain

So is it a problem that American born actors played Hobbits? Americans didn't exist 1,500 years ago so they shouldn't have been considered for a Tolkien adaptation.

Having different skin tones changes nothing about the world building of Tolkien's stories. The world building in Rings of Power would be the same if they didn't have dark-skinned actors. The world building of Tolkien would be the same if he had mixed skin tones. His world isn't based on skin tone mattering. It is just a description. Tolkien even ignores it for Gondor who would have a darker tone from being close to Rhun and Harad. Two places he did create with darker skin tones.

[Syegfryed]

Yes, that is what happens in adaptations. .

It is what happened in garbage adaptations, making up shit plots with the excuse of "Tolkien never said Sauron didn't cry like a bitch, or that Galadriel make out with her daughter husband so we can do it" is moronic

Jackson

B-B-B-B-BUT THE MOVIES!!11!

[rogoth]

So is it a problem that American born actors played Hobbits? Americans didn't exist 1,500 years ago so they shouldn't have been considered for a Tolkien adaptation.

Having different skin tones changes nothing about the world building of Tolkien's stories. The world building in Rings of Power would be the same if they didn't have dark-skinned actors. The world building of Tolkien would be the same if he had mixed skin tones. His world isn't based on skin tone mattering. It is just a description. Tolkien even ignores it for Gondor who would have a darker tone from being close to Rhun and Harad. Two places he did create with darker skin tones.

are you genuinely trying to say with a straight face that people from the likes of Tunisia/Morrocco look exactly the same as people from sub-Saharan regions of Africa? You're literally going to say with no semblance of irony that 'they all look the same because they are from the same continent and are close to each other'?

that's the same as saying all Asians look the same because of stereotypical Asian physical identifiers, how pathetic do you need to be to try and use that as a basis for your argument defending this shitshow?

as I have stated very clearly, the people of Gondor and Numenor should be looking more like the southern Mediterranean/Balkan region ethnicities, the people of Rhun should look Mongolian/stereotypically Asian while the men of Harad should be of Arabian appearance, you're confusing the lands of Harondor and the many tribes that live there for the 'African' analogue for middle-earth with the tribes of the Mahûd representing the 'Zulu warrior' aesthetic.

[rhorle]

It is what happened in garbage adaptations, making up shit plots with the excuse of "Tolkien never said Sauron didn't cry like a bitch, or that Galadriel make out with her daughter husband so we can do it" is moronic

So then the Jackson movies are garbage and moronic because he made up things that went against what Tolkien wrote.

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are you genuinely trying to say with a straight face that people from the likes of Tunisia/Morrocco look exactly the same as people from sub-Saharan regions of Africa? You're literally going to say with no semblance of irony that 'they all look the same because they are from the same continent and are close to each other'?

No, that is what you are saying as you are the only one to make that claim. The Jackson adaptation didn't have skin tones reflected properly for Gondor as they would have been darker or more of a mix. The same people in this thread likely haven't complained for years about how terrible it is Jackson didn't have the proper diversity. Or how the world building of the Jackson films are ruined because Gondor wasn't represented properly.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think if we are talking about some generic newly established fantasy world, anything goes. I think changing aspects of a well established fantasy world is going to get people riled up, as this thread has shown us. As far as Lord of the Rings is concerned they could of had all the diversity they wanted in the race of men. That is, if diversity was all they were going for. One might think they wanted people to get riled over their choices thinking it would bring more attention to the show. Who knows what the failed writers were thinking. The thing is the title is Lord of the Rings:The Rings of Power, you can anticipate that people might expect it to be more like, you know, The Lord of the Rings. It isn't just a race thing, there are lots of bits and bobs that make it bad. This old article summed it up rather well IMHO https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...ever-finished/

Sure people will get riled up but then the question just becomes should said riling up mean that people shouldn’t be able to take part in a culture that is just a much there’s as it is others based just on there skin tone. When the story doesn’t exclude it that is, like with the dwarfs.

This is also a broader question then just RoP, RoP id say is failing at including people because it is just single characters and not a proper mix of background characters to go with it.

[Syegfryed]

So then the Jackson movies are garbage and moronic because he made up things that went against what Tolkien wrote.
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No, because his changes aren't garbage and moronic on the same level, you seem to not be able to understand basic concepts like that.

[rhorle]

No, because his changes aren't garbage and moronic on the same level, you seem to not be able to understand basic concepts like that.

Denethor eating a tomato and his different character isn't garbage? What about him running for a few blocks while on fire? What about Gandalf's staff being broken by the Witch King? He even has it again for the Grey Haven scenes so there is a continuity goof as well.

The Jackson work is filled with the same things you label as garbage and moronic in the Amazon adaptation. Instead of being able to recognize they exist you get angry and insulting.

[Triceron]

There's a different to not liking that the world, art and adaptation of something isn't maching what you expected. It's another thing to hate and openly rage about something because of skin color.

Galadriel as a black woman is far off in my mind that it just doesn't exist. Magic The Gathering made her black and her art looks fantastic, anyway. Doesn't ruin the entire set for me. But for some, it actually does. Because she's black. Usually these people don't care much if black people are turned white however.

That's the problem and that's what I meant. People literally don't care if you're "normal". You might comment you would prefer if they stuck to the source more, but most people literally don't care. If you do care that much, you might want to take some time to think.

And there yeti clearly a group that does think it mayters, and are immediately all being called racist regardless. I have no problems with Disa existing, i love the actress 'performance, and She is one of the better performers in the show. But I still question rhe creative choice to add such a character in the first place. I would say the same of tauriel in hobbit. Nothing against evangeline liily, but her character shouldn't exist and offered nothing significant to the world building either. Yet. I am openly called racist for these opinions

[En Sabah Nur]

Don't really wanna create an unnecessary thread, so I'll just put this tiny bit of news here.

The Hunt For Gollum Won’t Be Two Films, But A Second LOTR Film Is Incoming, Philippa Boyens Confirms

[...]we’ve begun to work, conceptually, on two different live-action films. The first being The Hunt For Gollum, the second one still to be confirmed.” Even in just one film, Boyens promises a gripping tale to be told in Serkis’ feature. “It’s quite an intense story, which falls after the birthday party of Bilbo and before the Mines Of Moria,” she explains. “It’s a specific chunk of incredible untold story, told through the perspective of this incredible creature.”

“We’re playing around with a number of ideas, but most of those ideas do include Gandalf,” Boyens explains. “So Gandalf would potentially return for two live-action films.” Plus, if anime feature The War Of The Rohirrim – on which Boyens is writer-producer – proves to be a success this December, there could be more animated Middle-earth stories too. “We have an absolute banger of a second film that would just be incredible as an anime,” she teases. “But let’s see if there’s an appetite for it.”

[rhorle]

Don't really wanna create an unnecessary thread, so I'll just put this tiny bit of news here.

There is a Hunt for Gollum thread https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...unt-for-Gollum

[En Sabah Nur]

There is a Hunt for Gollum thread https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...unt-for-Gollum

So it would seem.

[Adamas102]

This would be much simpler if you just admitted that all your arguments here have being disingenuous and fallacious trying to defend a failure of a show

So you confirm that you're either too fucking lazy to look up a PDF of any of these books, or too fucking stupid to even THINK of doing something like that. It's certainly easier for you to throw a tantrum rather than actually read a book.

That not all that he wrote.

Confirmed again that you're completely ignorant of the source material and cannot even provide one shred of evidence. You didn't even try the rogoth tactic of just making up quotes and lying that they came from the Silmarillion.

Then you are nto fucking adhering to the source material if you are literally adding stuff Tolkien didn't say, your argument is "he never said shit DIDN'T happen, so the clowns making the show can add literally anything that tolkien didn't outright said it wasn't."

I guess they can make Galadriel MAKE OUT with Elrond, because tolkien never said they didn't right? that is adhering to the source?

You're completely incapable of understanding even the most simple concepts of adapting this work, even when they're laid out in front of you fully detailed. "But... but... they kissed!" Cool, another weak attempt to cover up your failure. My post still stands, but I doubt you'll actually go back and refute ANY of it.

YES, if you adapt what is written on the page AND add more stuff around it, that still counts as adhering to the source material. Because the source material is being translated to the screen. I still think the reason why you can't wrap your head around this fact is because YOU AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THE ACTUAL SOURCE MATERIAL.

Yeah, if something put holes as big as this in your lame argument "it doesn't matter".

Point out the supposed plot hole. You won't because there isn't one. Just like you couldn't back up your stupidity concerning Sauron's role in the rings and why the elves would want to keep them (even when they knew they were connected to the One Ring).

That is factually wrong, but you can still try to pretend that is true, just like people like to pretend the show is a success.

I just have to imagine that your brain short circuited while reading that paragraph comparing changes in the show to changes in the movie which is why you can't address ANY of the points directly and once again fall back on the pathetic "but, but, the show is baaaaad" routine. I really shouldn't expect you to come up with anything new since you a) never read any of these books and b.) couldn't come up with a coherent argument if your life depended on it.

[Syegfryed]

So you confirm that you're either too fucking lazy to look up a PDF of any of these books, or too fucking stupid to even THINK of doing something like that. It's certainly easier for you to throw a tantrum rather than actually read a book.

No did read before, and like many people here, im calling you out in your bullshit

You're completely incapable of understanding even the most simple concepts of adapting this work

You are completely incapable of understanding the simple concept that making bullshit fanfiction in his work is garbage adaptation, no matter how many times you spin in it.

You are not adhering to the source if you change most of it and create new stuff that goes against the author vision, just because hE nEvEr SaId x tHinG dIdN't HaPpEn

Cool, another weak attempt to cover up your failure.

the only failure is the show who made up a scene like that.

That scene is not on silmarilion, Galadriel was not even there, so they are not adhering to the source, period.

I just have to imagine that your brain short circuited while reading that paragraph comparing changes in the show to changes

I do imagine seeing your face, rly pretending people actually believe in the bullshit you spill like this, being disingenuous and fallacious.

once again fall back on the pathetic "but, but, the show is baaaaad" routine.

Rich coming from the guy who fall back on the pathethic stereotype calling people racist and bigots or trying to cover the show critics by pointing the movies - a much better adaptation OBJECTIVELLY - with less changes to the original work and less impactful ones, since those are the only things you have going on, cause nothing in the show is rly worthy commenting.

I already mentioned how the change in Aragorn or Gimli pale in comparison to the changes in characters like Gil-galad and Galadriel, but keep going lying to yourself, its not like is going to save the show anyway

[Adamas102]

What was said was a story based on fairy tales and mythology from Europe 1,500 years ago would not have the diversity of modern day parts of Britain.

And you're wrong about that, because the story has as much modernity as the storyteller wants to imbue it with. You seem to STILL be confused by the difference between history and storytelling.

Richard III was a real person. His life is a matter of history. Shakespeare's play Richard III is a story. The characters are all based on real people, but the story is infused with drama to bring it to life for audiences over a century after the events themselves. The 1995 film Richard III is another retelling of the story, this time adapted around a fascist plot in 20th century England. The retelling of stories can be fluid, and does not need to be rooted in whatever time and place they originated in.

I fall back on Shakespeare a lot in this thread because these works are some of the most recognizable examples of how storytelling and adaptation can evolve over time, but there are so many examples to chose from. No one said that if you were to adapt the story of King Arthur you NEED to modernize it, but you certainly CAN. The Green Knight is an excellent example of an Arthurian adaptation that doesn't feel the need to shackle itself to "only actors with the skin tone of the average medieval era European".

And you are missing the point that the reason modern Europe is diverse is because there are different groups there from outside of Europe. Pakistani, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Nigerian, Jamaican, Trinidadian and other populations in Britain look the way they do and have the customs and traditions they do because of their heritage from where they came, not from being European. That is simply the reality of how diversity works.

Are you under the impression that the pre-modern peoples of Europe simply sprung up out of nowhere as an isolated, unique group up until the past 50 years? Europe has been a melting pot of cultures and ethnicity since ancient times. This idea that "European culture" needs to be shielded and kept separate from all these immigrants is incredibly xenophobic and ignorant of the very history of Europe itself.

As in WOW different groups dwarves, elves, trolls and so forth have different appearances, customs and traditions due to being separated from each other for long periods of time. All of that originates with Tolkien and other writers and this idea of melting pots where every group of elves, dwarves or humans have to include all variations of those groups is totally a contradiction of the world building and fantasy the genre is based on.

Ignoring the fact that every one of WoW's fantasy races can have a wide variety of skin tones without the need to separate each one into its own bucket? Whether you make your Night Elf a pale blue, or purple, or turquoise, no one is going to come up to you to demand you explain your origin. You're just a Night Elf. Similarly, Disa is just a dwarf of Durin's Folk. There's no need to question whether she came from a different tribe or spent more time sitting in a sunbeam as a child, it's inconsequential to the story and only seems to be an issue for people who feel a need to divide humans into groups based on appearances. These aren't "contradictions" to world building. It's simply a reimagining of how these sorts of settings can be presented.

Same thing with the Numenoreans, where you have Tar Miriel as an individual black female among other Numenoreans who are not black with no other explanation or even attempt to show why that would happen.

There are multiple non-white actors portraying Numenoreans in the show so there is more diversity than just a single example. Secondly, the Numenoreans were descended from the multi-ethnic Edain who were comprised of three distinct Houses, each with their own variations in appearance including "swarthy" skin colors. Quick question, who was Tar Miriel's mother? Cool, now imagine that whoever she was she had darker skin, and now you can move along to the next non-issue. This isn't a matter of it not fitting into the setting, but rather just YOU not wanting to accept it into the setting.

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No did read before, and like many people here, im calling you out in your bullshit

Liar! You're not calling me out on anything, you're just dodging the reality which is that you don't actually know what Tolkien wrote. Go on, prove me wrong. Tell us how many pages are dedicated to the forging of the rings and the fall of Eregion in both the appendices AND the Silmarillion. Again, you won't because you know you're wrong so your only recourse will be to deflect.

You are not adhering to the source if you change most of it and create new stuff that goes against the author vision, just because hE nEvEr SaId x tHinG dIdN't HaPpEn

Good thing they're changing almost none of it. Of course that's never going to penetrate that dense skull of yours because you're not even familiar with the source material itself. Go on, though. Take the exact words from the source material (I already copy/pasted them in this thread so it shouldn't be TOO difficult for you), and then explain how most of it is changed. Let's see it. Again, not what you THINK Tolkien wrote. Let's see you use what he ACTUALLY wrote. I already did, now it's your turn.

I already mentioned how the change in Aragorn or Gimli pale in comparison to the changes in characters like Gil-galad and Galadriel

Go on then. Explain it. Do what I did. Use quotes from the actual source material. Let's see you do it. Let's keep it simple and JUST explain how Gil-galad's personality and motivations were altered more than Aragorn's.

Hahaha, yeah we all know you're not actually capable of producing anything but another tantrum.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Liar! You're not calling me out on anything, you're just dodging the reality which is that you don't actually know what Tolkien wrote. Go on, prove me wrong.

Syeg will never put up he either know he's wrong or hasn't touched the materially most of the time so will just continue along with "I'm right your wrong" until provided with something that disproves him.

beyond that though, my curiosity was peaked was so I grabbed a PDF to check how much was dedicated to these things.

Sauron endeavours to seduce the Eldar. Adapted in the show
Gil-galad refuses to treat with him; Adapted in the show

Spoiler: 

Men he found the easiest to sway of all the peoples of the Earth; but long he sought to persuade the Elves to his service, for he knew that the Firstborn had the greater power; and he went far and wide among them, and his hue was still that of one both fair and wise. Only to Lindon he did not come, for Gil-galad and Elrond doubted him and his fair-seeming, and though they knew not who in truth he was they would not admit him to that land.

but the smiths of Eregion are won over. Adapted in the show
The Elven-smiths instructed by Sauron reach the height of their skill. They begin the forging of the Rings of Power. Adapted in the show
The Three Rings are completed in Eregion. Adapted in the show

Spoiler: 

It was in Eregion that the counsels of Sauron were most gladly received, for in that land the Noldor desired ever to increase the skill and subtlety of their works. Moreover they were not at peace in their hearts, since they had refused to return into the West, and they desired both to stay in Middle-earth, which indeed they loved, and yet to enjoy the bliss of those that had departed. Therefore they hearkened to Sauron, and they learned of him many things, for his knowledge was great. In those days the smiths of Ost-in-Edhil surpassed all that they had contrived before; and they took thought, and they made Rings of Power. But Sauron guided their labours, and he was aware of all that they did; for his desire was to set a bond upon the Elves and to bring them under his vigilance.

Sauron forges the One Ring in Orodruin. He completes the Barad-dur. Not yet adapted, but certainly will happen in a subsequent season

Spoiler: 

Now the Elves made many rings; but secretly Sauron made One Ring to rule all the others, and their power was bound up with it, to be subject wholly to it and to last only so long as it too should last. And much of the strength and will of Sauron passed into that One Ring; for the power of the Elven-rings was very great, and that which should govern them must be a thing of surpassing potency; and Sauron forged it in the Mountain of Fire in the Land of Shadow. And while he wore the One Ring he could perceive all the things that were done by means of the lesser rings, and he could see and govern the very thoughts of those that wore them.

Celebrimbor perceives the designs of Sauron. Adapted in the show
The Three Rings are hidden. Adapted in the show

Spoiler: 

Now these were the Three that had last been made, and they possessed the greatest powers. Narya, Nenya, and Vilya, they were named, the Rings of Fire, and of Water, and of Air, set with ruby and adamant and sapphire; and of all the Elven-rings Sauron most desired to possess them, for those who had them in their keeping could ward off the decays of time and postpone the weariness of the world. But Sauron could not discover them, for they were given into the hands of the Wise, who concealed them and never again used them openly while Sauron kept the Ruling Ring. Therefore the Three remained unsullied, for they were forged by Celebrimbor alone, and the hand of Sauron had never touched them; yet they also were subject to the One.

War of the Elves and Sauron begins. Adapted in the show
Eregion laid waste. Adapted in the show
Death of Celebrimbor. Adapted in the show
The gates of Moria are shut. Not yet adapted, but likely will happen
Elrond retreats with remnant of the Noldor and founds the refuge of Imladris. Adapted in the show

Spoiler: 

From that time war never ceased between Sauron and the Elves; and Eregion was laid waste, and Celebrimbor slain, and the doors of Moria were shut. In that time the stronghold and refuge of Imladris, that Men called Rivendell, was founded by Elrond Half-elven; and long it endured.

Sauron’s forces invade Eriador. Adapted in the show

Spoiler: 

hen therefore Sauron saw his time he came with great force against the new realm of Gondor, and he took Minas Ithil, and he destroyed the White Tree of Isildur that grew there. But Isildur escaped, and taking with him a seedling of the Tree he went with his wife and his sons by ship down the River, and they sailed from the mouths of Anduin seeking Elendil. Meanwhile An?rion held Osgiliath against the Enemy, and for that time drove him back to the mountains; but Sauron gathered his strength again, and An?rion knew that unless help should come his kingdom would not long stand.

Gil-galad sends Elrond to Eregion. Adapted in the show

So I haven't seen season 2 to actually compare, but given how insanely brief these things are and how little pages they cover I'm not sure how they could be wrongly adapted, other then orders changing. other then Gil-galad sending Eregion that is as I couldn't find passage for that though it seems like a given.

Really after checking the book for my self I feel like any one who is saying the show is adaping things wrong or making changes should put up or shut up and post the paragraphs from the book in question because the Idea that you could make any adapation out of this stuff without adding bits is insane and there's like no detailed info any where.

[Syegfryed]

Go on then. Explain it.

I already did, but there is no point in going further if the other person is disingenuous, and everything that is mentioned that the show changed from the books is meet with "it doesn't matter" or "Tolkien never said X DIDN'T happen!1!"

You know, like Mithril being a magic metal curing corruption and saving the elven race, not rly something Tolkien wrote, but im sure you will say stuff like that "doesn't matter", despite this being another example of the show NOT adhering tolkien source

[Adamas102]

Syeg will never put up he either know he's wrong or hasn't touched the materially most of the time so will just continue along with "I'm right your wrong" until provided with something that disproves him.

beyond that though, my curiosity was peaked was so I grabbed a PDF to check how much was dedicated to these things.

So I haven't seen season 2 to actually compare, but given how insanely brief these things are and how little pages they cover I'm not sure how they could be wrongly adapted, other then orders changing. other then Gil-galad sending Eregion that is as I couldn't find passage for that though it seems like a given.

Really after checking the book for my self I feel like any one who is saying the show is adaping things wrong or making changes should put up or shut up and post the paragraphs from the book in question because the Idea that you could make any adapation out of this stuff without adding bits is insane and there's like no detailed info any where.

Yup! You put it all out there. The Silmarillion adds a bit more depth into the motivations of a few characters that isn't detailed in the appendices, such as the smiths of Eregion desiring to increase the skill and subtlety of their works which we were shown in Celebrimbor's very first scene in s1. It also has a description of the Three which the show stuck with (the colors of the gems and who they are given to). It also describes the power of the Three, which the show maintains and expands upon with their healing use. The Silmarillion does note that the Three were made by Celebrimbor ALONE, but I would argue that the significance of that is that they were the greatest of the 19 and Sauron never touched them with his corruption which of course the show maintains.

So yeah, between both the appendices and the Silmarillion one can see that the details are VERY sparse, but all of the major plot points are there in the show.

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I already did, but there is no point in going further if the other person is disingenuous, and everything that is mentioned that the show changed from the books is meet with "it doesn't matter" or "Tolkien never said X DIDN'T happen!1!"

HA! Liar! You didn't explain shit.

Let's add another to the list of your failures:
FAILED to look up the Silmarillion to see how little it actually contains about the creation of the Rings and the war in Eregion
FAILED to recognize why the elves needed the rings despite Sauron's part in their creation
FAILED to explain why Celeborn's absence is a "plot hole"
FAILED to describe how Gil-galad deviates from the book more than Aragorn does