Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Dhrizzle]

I don’t consider Ghostbusters 2016 to be propaganda. I consider it to be a mediocre comedy created by people who have been funnier elsewhere. In that sense Ghostbusters 2 to be even more disappointing since I know the people involved have been much funnier elsewhere.

All of Star Wars is explicitly propaganda. It’s not even subtle about it. It’s sometimes fantastic (Ep5), sometimes average (Ep8), sometimes awful (Ep1). But when it’s bad, it’s not bad because they put someone with lady parts into the movie. It’s bad because they regurgitated old ideas and somehow made it less thrilling.

Seriously your argument entirely hinges on the idea that mediocrity is a privilege that only white men get. Otherwise a horde of assholes will start shrieking “YUR POLITIKS IS RUINED MY CHILHOD”!!!

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Star Wars is very anti-fascist and a fascist society is a also capitalistic one.

Also Jabba runs a business. So does Lando.

When you say Episode 8 is average... do you mean 7 or 9? I'm usually quite forgiving of films and entertainment but 8 was almost painfully bad and the only movie I've seen recently that was worse is Batman v Superman.

[Ivanstone]

When you say Episode 8 is average... do you mean 7 or 9? I'm usually quite forgiving of films and entertainment but 8 was almost painfully bad and the only movie I've seen recently that was worse is Batman v Superman.

I do mean Last Jedi. Its the best of the sequel trilogy. That's not really saying much but it at least correctly advanced Kylo Ren's story. Some of its pretty dumb but whining about supporting characters doing dumb irrelevant things is pointless. Its certainly not dumb because of some hack writer jerking off on twitter.

By way of comparison, Ep3 is the best of the prequels but that's not saying much since it does dumb shit with its main characters.

[Xath]

I do mean Last Jedi. Its the best of the sequel trilogy. That's not really saying much but it at least correctly advanced Kylo Ren's story. Some of its pretty dumb but whining about supporting characters doing dumb irrelevant things is pointless. Its certainly not dumb because of some hack writer jerking off on twitter.

By way of comparison, Ep3 is the best of the prequels but that's not saying much since it does dumb shit with its main characters.

It was absolute trash? Terrible pacing and terrible in terms of fitting star wars.

[bledgor]

I do mean Last Jedi. Its the best of the sequel trilogy. That's not really saying much but it at least correctly advanced Kylo Ren's story. Some of its pretty dumb but whining about supporting characters doing dumb irrelevant things is pointless. Its certainly not dumb because of some hack writer jerking off on twitter.

By way of comparison, Ep3 is the best of the prequels but that's not saying much since it does dumb shit with its main characters.

Hot take, I think episode 8 is only surpassed by 9 as one of the worst movies I have ever seen, it was garbage that was sprinkled with shit tier jokes/gaffs, character assassination, and terrible illogical plot. If I hadn't gone with my mom whom I have seen all the Star Wars movies with I would have left the theater for both of them.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

8 at least knew what it wanted to be: anti-Star Wars, and executed its goals very well. It isn't an incoherent mess like the Abrams films. It also had striking visuals. TFA and TRoS on the other hand, aren't good in any way whatsoever. Tonal inconsistencies, plotholes galore, and incoherent storylines and character arcs. They're garbage Star Wars fanfics without an ounce of creativity. Also visually bland.

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I think visuals are quite important, more than people give it credit for. I think people focus on story and characters (which are important) but ignore talking about aesthetics.

What made the Peter Jackson LotR movie trilogy good was the aesthetics of Alan Lee and John Howe's art brought to life on the big screen, Howard Shore's soundtrack, and Peter Jackson's cinematography and directing techniques.

FotR was the only movie that was really strong in the story department all the way through the movie. Then the party gets separated, so starting with Two Towers you're watching scenes where only a few actors are actually good and fun to watch. The Frodo plot is carried by Sean Astin and Andy Serkis, but Elijah Wood is rather meh. David Wenham as Faramir was... okay. Viggo Mortisson sucks at portraying an experienced leader ready to become king, but the rest of the actors involved in the Rohan story were good. And then the issues with the RotK movie's story have been discussed to death. But all three movies are aesthetically great and have good direction.

Aesthetics is what salvages the Hobbit movie trilogy. The story is overall a trashfire, and the only good new actors are Martin Freeman, Richard Armitage, Ken Stott, and Benedict Cumberbatch. The weightless, plastic CGI is a tremendous downgrade from the live action and miniatures of the LotR movie trilogy, but it is salvaged by having decent aesthetics. One thing I will note, is that the music of the Hobbit trilogy was utterly forgettable. Only song I can remember is the Misty Mountain song they sang in Bag End. Also, the directing and cinematography is not bad. For a man who was making up the shots and scenes as he went along, Jackson did an okay job directing the Hobbit.

I also tolerated watching GoT in spite of the bad acting and story and terrible pacing as long as I did because of the visual spectacle of the sets and the decent directing of the season finale battles. So if Rings of Power had good directing and aesthetics, I think I could at least enjoy it. Except the Rings of Power trailer looks aesthetically awful. Bland cities and landscapes. Boring, cheap plastic looking costumes and makeup. Weightless, plastic CGI monsters you aren't afraid of and aren't visually memorable. The only not-bad thing I can say about it is that shot towards the end of the elven soldiers riffing Jackson movie trilogy aesthetics. And with Howard Shore doing the soundtrack, you'd think that they would advertise good music in the trailer... but the trailer music is bad. I can only conclude that Howard Shore indeed lost his mojo after the Jackson trilogy, as either he did that crappy trailer music, or the marketing department chose that music because Howard Shore hadn't created any good tracks worth advertising.

[Ivanstone]

8 at least knew what it wanted to be: anti-Star Wars, and executed its goals very well.

8 was about a Sith Apprentice. It did its job decently. Its still not a pro-fascism movie and therefore not anti-Star Wars.

[Rennadrel]

It was absolute trash? Terrible pacing and terrible in terms of fitting star wars.

All of them are terrible. The absolute disdain for the legacy characters that have carried the success of the Star Wars franchise for 40 fucking years was so blatantly apparent in how they wrote Han, Leia and Luke. Portraying Leia as an incompetent leader, Han as an outcast who becomes a loner despite the character redemption arc he has during the original trilogy, not to mention Luke basically becoming a hypocritical old curmudgeon and a hermit, totally bastardizing the optimistic exuberance of his original character only for him to be killed off in such a shitty way. Not to mention how they Mary Sue'd the living hell out of Rey. It's pretty much impossible to get behind such a terrible cast of new characters when none of them are unique and they don't face real adversity while stomping all over the legacy characters.

[s_bushido]

Luke basically becoming a hypocritical old curmudgeon and a hermit, totally bastardizing the optimistic exuberance of his original character

I've always found this criticism of TLJ to be particularly hilarious. As if someone is supposed to be the same at 70 as he was at 20. I mean for fuck's sake, he was hardly the same guy in Jedi that he was in the first movie.

Guess it just goes to show that "fans" are terrified of change. But we already knew that, considering these arguments were had about the sequel trilogy years ago when they were being released...

[Shadowferal]

I've always found this criticism of TLJ to be particularly hilarious. As if someone is supposed to be the same at 70 as he was at 20. I mean for fuck's sake, he was hardly the same guy in Jedi that he was in the first movie. .

There was no lead in, no hints or clues as to reasons why, beyond some falling out with Kylo, and that was it. We've one of the biggest names in the franchise and written/directed so clumsily an amateur might have done better.

[s_bushido]

There was no lead in, no hints or clues as to reasons why, beyond some falling out with Kylo, and that was it.

That's like complaining that there was no explanation for why Harry Potter's parents were murdered until like...the 3rd or 4th book/movie. "Some falling out with Kylo" was the hint.

I have no idea why the 5 year old specifics of a Star Wars movie is even relevant to this thread. Beyond it being probably the most notorious example of blaming the evil SJWs for ruining a franchise...

[Syegfryed]

All of them are terrible. The absolute disdain for the legacy characters that have carried the success of the Star Wars franchise for 40 fucking years was so blatantly apparent in how they wrote Han, Leia and Luke. Portraying Leia as an incompetent leader, Han as an outcast who becomes a loner despite the character redemption arc he has during the original trilogy, not to mention Luke basically becoming a hypocritical old curmudgeon and a hermit, totally bastardizing the optimistic exuberance of his original character only for him to be killed off in such a shitty way. Not to mention how they Mary Sue'd the living hell out of Rey. It's pretty much impossible to get behind such a terrible cast of new characters when none of them are unique and they don't face real adversity while stomping all over the legacy characters.

i agree with that and i was 100% disappointed with Fin treatment, i thought it would be dope as hell to have a "stormtrooper" changing sides and fighting for the good, maybe even learning some jedi shit, cause i can't stand skylwalker bs, but meh, wasted.

[Shadowferal]

That's like complaining that there was no explanation for why Harry Potter's parents were murdered until like...the 3rd or 4th book/movie. "Some falling out with Kylo" was the hint.

Potter's parents weren't the main characters. Now if we see a hp movie where we see Potter alone, and derelict after a couple of decades I'd think an hp fan would want more than a half-assed scene that were supposed to believe that was the point where he gave up on everything that meant something to him. And considering Luke's beliefs, Fighting the good fight, even a "hopeless" battle...that would be him. "Giving up" should never have been an option.

[Ivanstone]

I've always found this criticism of TLJ to be particularly hilarious. As if someone is supposed to be the same at 70 as he was at 20. I mean for fuck's sake, he was hardly the same guy in Jedi that he was in the first movie.

Even weirder: That plot point is from Ep7. Abrams, a mediocre creator, decided to hamfistedly turn Luke into Yoda. Johnson, a better creator, was just fleshing out what Abrams started.

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Not to mention how they Mary Sue'd the living hell out of Rey.

For the millionth time, Rey is not a Mary Sue. Everything she can do is because Luke accomplished the same. Its almost like she's just a cheesy rip off of another character. Which is nothing new under the sun.

But instead of just saying she's a cheesy rip off created by a hack director, you decided to trot out gendered insults which only reveals your misogyny. Shall we now discuss how the white male hack director had largely escaped criticism but instead the internet decided to slander his female executive producer instead?

[Triceron]

I've always found this criticism of TLJ to be particularly hilarious. As if someone is supposed to be the same at 70 as he was at 20. I mean for fuck's sake, he was hardly the same guy in Jedi that he was in the first movie.

A 70 year old throwing away his maturity and reverting to an angsty teen who just wants to be left alone isn't the better option.

[Ihavewaffles]

More dislikes than likes

[Ivanstone]

More dislikes than likes

So we have 99K idiots and 102K morons weighing in on a TV show they haven't seen yet.

[s_bushido]

More dislikes than likes

lol

50/50?

Usually when the Butthurt Brigade vote bombs something, they do better than that. Must be slipping. Or maybe youtube's nefarious plan to hide dislikes actually worked...and no one bothers hitting the button anymore.

[Ihavewaffles]

Fer sure the dislikes would be far higher, most people don't know about extension that shows dislikes too

[Thaneo]

lol

50/50?

Usually when the Butthurt Brigade vote bombs something, they do better than that. Must be slipping. Or maybe youtube's nefarious plan to hide dislikes actually worked...and no one bothers hitting the button anymore.

It is likely the latter... that and people have really taken to spamming the comment section.

[Ihavewaffles]

lol I doubt these "superfans" have read a single tolkien book...