Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Shadowferal]

Pretty sure we'll all watch the first couple shows...

[molliewoof]

Pretty sure we'll all watch the first couple shows...

Agreed, I'll probably watch them all whatever happens, I just like to know.

Won't be too excited about it though

[bledgor]

Pretty sure we'll all watch the first couple shows...

Eh with how god awful The Rafe of Time was I'll wait for and see if any friends recommend LOTR, Amazon fucked WoT up so badly if I don't hear positives from friends I will pass on LOTR.

[s_bushido]

Yeah, fuck us LOTR fans for having the temerity to watch a trailer for a LOTR show.

Not sure why we're pretending it's "LOTR fans" watching and vote-bombing the trailer. I mean...just look at the comments section, see everyone spamming that same quote, and try to tell me this is a genuine reaction...

[Makabreska]

Not sure why we're pretending it's "LOTR fans" watching and vote-bombing the trailer. I mean...just look at the comments section, see everyone spamming that same quote, and try to tell me this is a genuine reaction...

I think they went full Twitch chat copypasta spam.

[DarkAmbient]

Not sure why we're pretending it's "LOTR fans" watching and vote-bombing the trailer. I mean...just look at the comments section, see everyone spamming that same quote, and try to tell me this is a genuine reaction...

No doubt a lot of those commenters are just riding the meme wave, but LOTR has a huge fan base and it's not surprising to me that a large number of them might react negatively to the direction of the show. It would be silly to write the show off at this point though. I'm still going to watch it (the first episode, at least) in case it is actually good.

[Orby]

It looks so bad lol



What's up with all the Star Wars shite ITT?

I dunno how that started, been trying to pivot the conversation back though :P

Also I dont seem as mad as most when it comes to the teaser trailer, I am still waiting for the show to launch before I can come to any definitive opinion despite some of the cringe choices Amazon are making (like that video they took down), what makes and break for me is the story.

I have played and liked the Middle Earth Shadow of war games despite how much they fucked with the canon, so this show will likely have the same effect. I think its pretty much confirmed that its not going to be as good as the original trilogy, that's a given and I am fine with that. So my expectations are satisfyingly low. Also it could be shit, and if it is I'll judge it then. There's literally nothing to go on via that Teaser, I'll wait.

I see people online (youtube) already make essay long videos about why it sucks... and I am here like 'wait the fuck up'. Save it for when the show comes out lol.

[Okacz]

At this point I'm seriously rooting for the show to succeed. Amazon did a shitty thing making sure trailer's going to create as much of a media buzz as possible, but hey, can't blame them seeing how this thread is around 50 pages of people complaining about lack of facial hair on female dwarf faces. You know that one could just have fucking shaved it off, right? Tolkien never did claim that dwarven beards are made of titanium.

Speaking of that guy, while I love his work (LotR is among the first "big boy" novels I've ever read), he does have a very reductionist view when it comes to adaptations and extensions of his stories. After reading some of his letters he does come across as a person who'd throw fit at a director for making elven eyebrows a bit too bushy. He'd absolutely hate LotR trilogy, which wasn't afraid to say that the Bombadil stuff was a bit too tedious and boring to include in a movie. Not to mention Shadow of Mordor. Both of those pretty awesome projects wouldn't even see the light of day if Tolkien's view of "adaptation" were adhered to - which means pretty much "copy EVERYTHING from my books and just glue it to the other medium, logic be damned".

When it comes to the trailer - aside of some obvious mediabait stuff (dwarf, dark-skinned elves, woman in armor - the nerve, right) it displayed some gorgeous landscapes that bring back the memories of Jackson trilogy. So I'm hopeful. Amazon made some pretty sick adaptations already, maybe this one will stick the landing too.

[Orby]

At this point I'm seriously rooting for the show to succeed. Amazon did a shitty thing making sure trailer's going to create as much of a media buzz as possible, but hey, can't blame them seeing how this thread is around 50 pages of people complaining about lack of facial hair on female dwarf faces. You know that one could just have fucking shaved it off, right? Tolkien never did claim that dwarven beards are made of titanium.

Speaking of that guy, while I love his work (LotR is among the first "big boy" novels I've ever read), he does have a very reductionist view when it comes to adaptations and extensions of his stories. After reading some of his letters he does come across as a person who'd throw fit at a director for making elven eyebrows a bit too bushy. He'd absolutely hate LotR trilogy, which wasn't afraid to say that the Bombadil stuff was a bit too tedious and boring to include in a movie. Not to mention Shadow of Mordor. Both of those pretty awesome projects wouldn't even see the light of day if Tolkien's view of "adaptation" were adhered to - which means pretty much "copy EVERYTHING from my books and just glue it to the other medium, logic be damned".

When it comes to the trailer - aside of some obvious mediabait stuff (dwarf, dark-skinned elves, woman in armor - the nerve, right) it displayed some gorgeous landscapes that bring back the memories of Jackson trilogy. So I'm hopeful. Amazon made some pretty sick adaptations already, maybe this one will stick the landing too.

Tolkein was very anti TV or adaptation, he hated TV in general, he hated that format. He never wanted his books adapted down that route. which is funny when I see people saying 'Rings of Power is shitting on Tolkiens legacy' when by default the original trilogy did that by just being made. Doesn't matter if you liked it or not, Tolkien never got his say, but he was open to suggestions and offers, but he would have never liked the idea.

There was a video one of his releatives made too

[Yossarian]

lol I doubt these "superfans" have read a single tolkien book...

this is one the cringest thing I ever watched

[dlld]

Tolkein was very anti TV or adaptation, he hated TV in general, he hated that format. He never wanted his books adapted down that route. which is funny when I see people saying 'Rings of Power is shitting on Tolkiens legacy' when by default the original trilogy did that by just being made. Doesn't matter if you liked it or not, Tolkien never got his say, but he was open to suggestions and offers, but he would have never liked the idea.

Tolkien died in 1973, if I had spent decades conjuring up a epic world in my imagination and someone wanted to bring it to life with effects and costumes that existed in the 50s and 60s I'd probably hate the idea as well.

[Rennadrel]

Tolkein was very anti TV or adaptation, he hated TV in general, he hated that format. He never wanted his books adapted down that route. which is funny when I see people saying 'Rings of Power is shitting on Tolkiens legacy' when by default the original trilogy did that by just being made. Doesn't matter if you liked it or not, Tolkien never got his say, but he was open to suggestions and offers, but he would have never liked the idea.

People already know that. Even Christopher didn't like the films. And The Hobbit was bad which most people concede but at least it wasn't complete fan fiction nonsense despite it taking a lot of creative liberties which is what we know this show will be since the producers have admitted as much. Peter Jackson went out of his way to try and remain as faithful to the LOTR novels as possible while also understanding that there are some moments where you have to take a bit of creative liberty when adapting something to film. But we also know that JRR Tolkien was a stickler for people respecting the work that he created and lambasted anyone who tried. I doubt he would have approved of Peter Jackson's work, but I get the feeling that it would have been less disproval than whatever the two-bit hacks in Hollywood are trying to do to his characters with this show.

[Dhrizzle]

"Everything she can do is because Luke accomplished the same."

That isn't entirely true because she picked up everything in an incredibly small amount of time but in the original 3 movies it was an assumed amount of time between the movies. One Deathstar was blown up... and they had to make a new one which takes a sizeable stretch of time. Rey went to hang out with Luke and within a very small time frame "Well, I've learned everything..."

The second Death Star was already under construction when the first was blown.

Anyway, wasn't that whole connection to Kylo supposed to show she had been receiving passive training through him?

[Bladesyphon]

Eh with how god awful The Rafe of Time was I'll wait for and see if any friends recommend LOTR, Amazon fucked WoT up so badly if I don't hear positives from friends I will pass on LOTR.

Same.

I was on the fence for WoT, even with the changes. One of my friends, whose super obsessed with basically anything that ticks off boxes when it comes to diversity and female empowerment (no matter how badly it's done, or how badly the story actually is, so long as it has those things in it), kept going on about how awesome and amazing it was, and how well they did the characters, and even if I'm a purist of the book, I'd still like the show because it "does the characters more justice than what Jordan did.", so I contemplated watching it all once all the episodes released. Frankly, I should have seriously been questioning her opinion when she said the change to Perrin was good but, hey, she's been my friend for nearly twenty years, she gets the benefit of the doubt.

Flash forward to after the last episode aired, and I was talking to two other friends who aren't obsessed with "yay diversity" like she is, one of which who hasn't read the books, explaining to me all the changes, and, in his words, my reaction was "glorious". What they did to the characters and world is an absolute travesty that I had no idea was a thing, and properly killed any desire I had of watching it.

I'll probably do the same with The Rings of Power, but frankly after what they did to WoT, I'm probably not even going to bother.

[Ivanstone]

Yeah, fuck people for having the temerity to watch a trailer for a show.

Fixed that for you.

Trailers tell you nothing at best and at worst spoil the show for you.

[DarkAmbient]

Fixed that for you.

Trailers tell you nothing at best and at worst spoil the show for you.

We all know that trailers can deceive. But of course we're still going to watch, it's the first chance to get a bit of the flavour of what's coming.

[Dorothyjean]

The second Death Star was already under construction when the first was blown.

Anyway, wasn't that whole connection to Kylo supposed to show she had been receiving passive training through him?

True but there was still a time frame of years there which I think was the assumed time disparity in those movies which was a common thing for earlier movies from that era. I don't honestly care too much because I really do not like the new 3 but to each their own but it just didn't feel genuine because she seemed to go from literally nothing in skill to full blown Jedi and had the ability to confront/fight alongside Kylo Ren who had been trained by not only Luke but Snoke also.

My problem with the latest 3 (not so much The Force Awakens) but the amount of errors and completely oddball story bites are off putting for me and with the last 2 movies I can point out like 1-2 things every 5 minutes that make little to no sense and I'm not even trying to hate on the movie. The stories could have been more fleshed out and the time spent on non-sensical things like Poe Dameron and the Admiral scene -- it adds nothing to the story and is disruptive to continuity and flow and resolves into nothing from a story perspective. They should have refined the story timeline and smoothed things out and fleshed out things like her training and other areas.

[Rennadrel]

Those fake as hell "superfans" say all I need to know about how this show is going to ultimately go. These people are so vapid and incapable of separating fiction from reality and that whole video was just people projecting their own insecurities. They are so engrossed in idpol it's quite astounding. No one gives a fuck if characters in a fictional story in a fictional world aren't disabled and queer, that shit isn't a personality trait nor a character arc. I swear these kinds of vapid narcissists are going to be the death of nerd culture because they just want to project their pathetic insecurities using other people's works as the vehicle. This is gonna bomb so hard and the obvious damage control half a year before the show even drops only reinforces that.

[Smallfruitbat]

My final drop of enthusiasm dried out at 'mah gurl Galadriel'

[s_bushido]

Those fake as hell "superfans" say all I need to know about how this show is going to ultimately go. These people are so vapid and incapable of separating fiction from reality and that whole video was just people projecting their own insecurities.

You do realize that this is what literally everybody else thinks about the idiots who lose their shit every time they see a black person or a woman in something even remotely related to "nerd culture"...right?

This same garbage was being tossed around about the Witcher when people found out that Triss was a few shades too dark, that the bad guys had silly ballsack armor, and Cavill was way too pretty to play Geralt. And how did those predictions of doom and gloom turn out?