Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Rennadrel]

Its true though that was always a really tiny number, those movies are super beloved by basically everyone with a pulse.

Very different ratio with a lot of new stuff!

Sounds almost lame to say, but if something is good it won't matter. Some GoT purists also hated that show but it was also widely successful for X seasons.

Feel like Strange New Worlds and the Mandalorian are interested examples here, because they are broadly being accepted as great shows by most fans while stuff like Picard and Book of Boba are widely criticized.

I think it's really as simple as people like good things and hate bad ones!

People hate Picard because it does nothing but disrespect beloved legacy characters and completely morphed their personalities into bitter, negative and hopeless shallow losers rather than deep characters with both positive and negative characteristics. Book of Boba Fett is dumb because much like Obi-wan, it's trying to push a lead character that isn't the titled character, not to mention Boba Fett is a bounty hunter that doesn't talk much or reveal his face, those are both primary aspects of the mystique of the character that people loved. Hence why the show is stupid and criticized.

I expect this show to be nothing but mediocre fan fiction. You have inexperienced creators behind it who clearly don't have any deep knowledge about the lore of Middle Earth and they have to try and promote it with "influencers" whose only critique is about representation screams that this show is going to be nothing but shallow, CGI loaded fan fiction with God awful writing.

[Dhrizzle]

All that promo material. 20 pictures and a teaser

Just vaguely waving hands around then.

[Rennadrel]

All that promo material. 20 pictures and a teaser

So much CGI, it's actually pretty disgusting. The great thing about Peter Jackson's films is that there's pretty much zero CGI outside of Gollum and even that felt natural in terms of blending with the rest of the film. When it's so painfully obvious that the setpieces are CGI and the characters even look fake, it is a distraction from whatever else might be going on.

[s_bushido]

The great thing about Peter Jackson's films is that there's pretty much zero CGI outside of Gollum

Well, that's just pure bullshit. In nearly every movie made in the past few decades, there's so much being touched up and enhanced with CG effects it's not even funny. Things you might not even think about, like a simple shot of a street out of a window. The first LotR trilogy was no exception. I mean for fuck's sake, they basically had to invent an engine for those massive "CG character on CG character" battles in all 3 movies. The LotR movies hold up because they chose to use practical effects wherever they could, but please...let's not say laughable garbage like there being "pretty much zero CGI."

[Celement]

People hate Picard because it does nothing but disrespect beloved legacy characters and completely morphed their personalities into bitter, negative and hopeless shallow losers rather than deep characters with both positive and negative characteristics. Book of Boba Fett is dumb because much like Obi-wan, it's trying to push a lead character that isn't the titled character, not to mention Boba Fett is a bounty hunter that doesn't talk much or reveal his face, those are both primary aspects of the mystique of the character that people loved. Hence why the show is stupid and criticized.

I expect this show to be nothing but mediocre fan fiction. You have inexperienced creators behind it who clearly don't have any deep knowledge about the lore of Middle Earth and they have to try and promote it with "influencers" whose only critique is about representation screams that this show is going to be nothing but shallow, CGI loaded fan fiction with God awful writing.

I don't have a lot of faith but I'm willing to take a look at the first episode. Long as it's not halo bad will give it more then one.

[Infinity Cubed]

So much CGI, it's actually pretty disgusting. The great thing about Peter Jackson's films is that there's pretty much zero CGI outside of Gollum and even that felt natural in terms of blending with the rest of the film. When it's so painfully obvious that the setpieces are CGI and the characters even look fake, it is a distraction from whatever else might be going on.

Totes!

Those massive armies, the ents, Rivendell, all of the towers and castles, the dwarves on their giant boars, every single orc in the Hobbit, <continues on for a good half hour>... none of it was CGI. True story.

[Dhrizzle]

Totes!

Those massive armies, the ents, Rivendell, all of the towers and castles, the dwarves on their giant boars, every single orc in the Hobbit, <continues on for a good half hour>... none of it was CGI. True story.

I don't think Orlando Boom gets enough praise for his excellent skills at surfing elephants.

[MCMLXXXII]

So much CGI, it's actually pretty disgusting. The great thing about Peter Jackson's films is that there's pretty much zero CGI outside of Gollum and even that felt natural in terms of blending with the rest of the film. When it's so painfully obvious that the setpieces are CGI and the characters even look fake, it is a distraction from whatever else might be going on.

Weta workshop was specifically created for digital effects. And yes while they do use some practical effects they used a shitton of CGI in the trilogy.

[Rennadrel]

Weta workshop was specifically created for digital effects. And yes while they do use some practical effects they used a shitton of CGI in the trilogy.

Yeah but it doesn't look so patently obvious that it's not real, like it actually blends in really well. Whereas in The Hobbit holy christ the CGI is so blatantly obvious.

[qwerty123456]

Nah, respect the source to the T if you're telling something with a source. Otherwise, I'm happy to let franchises use all the lore and world building to tell completely new and novel series in the same universe. But anything else? Fuck no.


Nope.

You might want to look at his post history in the Star Citizen thread. Dude obsesses about certain things and when he does the creators of it can do no wrong.
I bring this up because it's funny you quoted him as saying "The worst person to judge anything is the hardcore fan as they are completely biased."

[Infinity Cubed]

Yeah but it doesn't look so patently obvious that it's not real, like it actually blends in really well.

Yeaaaaaah, okay.

I was completely convinced the Balrog and trolls, as two quick examples, were real. No signs whatsoever that they blatantly CGI. And that Eye of Sauron? Totes thought it was 100% a practical effect. You got me. Mea culpa.

[Dch48]

Well the old three movies were deviate from the source material, they changed many things compare to the original Tolkien’s books.

Yes, but in my opinion, most of the changes were for the better.

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I’ll take a look at the series. It could be good. In my opinion, the 3 LOTR movies are the best trilogy ever made, especially in their extended versions. I have no problems with the things that differ from the books. I think in almost every case, they are improvements. Gimli’s character, for example, is much more engaging in the movies. The Hobbit movies are also good and I think the CGI is incredible in all of them.

[karung]

Yes, but in my opinion, most of the changes were for the better.

It is a classic piece of literature. You don't change anything. It is not a comic book, it is like Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, Turgenyev. It is not your dough to play with. Fuck me, with your mentality we will never have good things. Never.

[exochaft]

Yes, but in my opinion, most of the changes were for the better.

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I’ll take a look at the series. It could be good. In my opinion, the 3 LOTR movies are the best trilogy ever made, especially in their extended versions. I have no problems with the things that differ from the books. I think in almost every case, they are improvements. Gimli’s character, for example, is much more engaging in the movies. The Hobbit movies are also good and I think the CGI is incredible in all of them.

The main difference that I'm fairly certain well see in the Rings of Power series (as it happened to Wheel of Time, as well as a bunch of other adaptations/series as of late) is that any changes will not be in service of the source material or the intent of the creator of the IP. When the creators of the LotR trilogy talked about their changes from the source material, their main guidance was trying to keep it as faithful to and in the spirit of Tolkien as not everything translates well from book to movie.

When there's people related to the new RoP project talking about how they're going to 'fix' Tolkien's problems/issues, there's no way anyone could genuinely say that isn't just self-insertion by the creators of the show at the expense of the source material. As was said by one of the creators of the new Star Trek shows, these IPs are being used as platforms to put out their ideology, even if it drastically conflicts with the IP itself. The reason this is done is because their shows and ideas would likely not be success and flop hard if they didn't use an establish brand with an established fan base as a vehicle for their garbage.

All one has to do is look at the actions and words of the people in charge to realize there's going to be a lot of issues with the show. When you're doing damage control long before the show is even out, that means you have little faith in your show and/or you know you're not being faithful or respectful to the IP/source material. Amazon does this, Disney does this, lots of companies do this now before their shows come out... and so far it's pretty much a guaranteed sign that their shows are objectively bad and flawed to high levels, sometimes spitting in the face of the fans or even the past material/shows/movies/etc.

[Daronokk]

there's been nothing that shows the creators of the Amazon series don't have the same love and respect for Tolkien's work.

HAPPY elves and HAPPY hobbits.


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[Makabreska]

It is a classic piece of literature. You don't change anything. It is not a comic book, it is like Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, Turgenyev. It is not your dough to play with. Fuck me, with your mentality we will never have good things. Never.

Not how it works. You are not able to do a 1:1 book to movie translation, because these are two different medias. Something is always lost/changed. Also ye, we totally never get any good things.

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N***** elves and n***** hobbits.

Classy, my man.

[Dorothyjean]

N***** elves and n***** hobbits.

As someone else said... Classy... but the situation is you're bringing in your reality into a fictional element and are doing the same thing that you claim to hate. That whole "woke" thing or as the Critical Drinker puts it "The Message" on Youtube... you are doing the same thing by taking our reality and forcing it into a fictional tale. You're just as bad as the Woke people and you're probably the guy who hates the woke kind because of this crap.

[Dhrizzle]

The main difference that I'm fairly certain well see in the Rings of Power series (as it happened to Wheel of Time, as well as a bunch of other adaptations/series as of late) is that any changes will not be in service of the source material or the intent of the creator of the IP. When the creators of the LotR trilogy talked about their changes from the source material, their main guidance was trying to keep it as faithful to and in the spirit of Tolkien as not everything translates well from book to movie.

Well if that was their intent they failed big time, Tolkien would almost certainly have hated the movies for the way they split from his themes and radically changed characters. Most galling would probably have been the action scenes that made fighting wars and battles look cool.

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N***** elves and n***** hobbits.

It's possible to respect Tolkien's work while also deciding that actors shouldn't be forbidden from taking certain roles due to their skin tone. In terms of how it affects the lore this is a much, much lesser issue than the decision to give Aragorn, Faramir and Boromir beards.

[Adamas102]

It is a classic piece of literature. You don't change anything. It is not a comic book, it is like Tolstoy, Dostoyevski, Turgenyev. It is not your dough to play with. Fuck me, with your mentality we will never have good things. Never.

Bullshit. Good stories endure because of their ability to be retold and reimagined across various media, from ancient myths to Shakespeare to more modern classics like Tolkien.

[Orby]

It's possible to respect Tolkien's work while also deciding that actors shouldn't be forbidden from taking certain roles due to their skin tone. In terms of how it affects the lore this is a much, much lesser issue than the decision to give Aragorn, Faramir and Boromir beards.

John Hurt still the best Aragorn... fite me :P



Who was drawn as a Native American I may add lol