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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Or, and hear me out, there's LOTR fans out there, like me, who don't judge media before it actually comes out, recognizing that PR and promotional material is often bad and unfinished, or overexposed, or just outright misleading.

    Like the amount of vitriol that gets spewed on these projects before they ever come out makes me wonder how y'all get through a normal day in the real world. And the idea that "megacorporations have corrupted media" as if Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy wasn't made by a megacorporation called New Line Cinema, or every film since Spielberg et al created blockbuster cinema in the late 70s wasn't the product of some massive production company, is comical.
    because of past experience 'we' know full well just how bad this shitshow is gonna turn out to be.

    not only have they rewritten already established characters with predefined lore, making whatever these new characters are purely fan fiction from the producers, the company that is bankrolling this doomed to fail project does not have ANY of the publishing rights to ANY of the material needed to make an adaptation set in this world during this specific time period, that information is held within the pages of the silmarillion and other works that go alongside that.

    lets not get started on the whole shoehorning in these 'harfoots' creatures that have been fabricated out of thin air by the show runners and do not exist in the lore of the universe created by Tolkien, not even touching on the severe lore inaccuracies of the female dwarf, as well as the buzzcut black elf who in this fantasy world would have almost certainly never existed but here we are, the man who birthed this masterpiece of literature and fantasy made these works as a fictional history for Britain, and as a way to ESCAPE the troubles of the real world, and here we are a century later these woke disciples calling themselves producers are forcing gender and race politics onto this fan fiction mess 'to include the real world as it exists today' < (an actual quote from the principal showrunner), proving beyond a shadow of a doubt these people have no desire nor the skill needed to make a faithful adaptation of source material and instead are stealing a beloved IP to push their fan fiction narrative.

    lastly, in every single 'influencer' gathering there have been gifts and what equates to essentially bribes given to those invited in order for them to come out and give it rave reviews despite it being illegal to do so in the vast majority of developed nations around the world, Amazon has deleted almost all of the negative comments it received on its' trailer videos (numbering in the 10's of thousands of comments borderline 100's of thousands overall), they are actively trying to censor any criticism of the show and they are no longer doing so quietly, they are brazenly doing it in full view and no care to who sees it.

    this is going to be such a shitstorm i genuinely can't wait for it to hit the fan and for the woke brigade defending this indefensible mess to try and come out in force to smokescreen it to the normies who are clearly the target audience since no actual fans should be touching this with a 40ft pole, and if you enjoy it, that's great, just know you're likely going to be in the absolute minority and that all the warning signs have been made clear as day to anybody and everybody, it's on you and others like you if you choose to ignore those warnings.


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    The question is, will this be even worse than Wheel of Time? From everything we saw, this TV show looks absolutely horrible and like a cheap cringy rip off of the Tolkien universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    The question is, will this be even worse than Wheel of Time? From everything we saw, this TV show looks absolutely horrible and like a cheap cringy rip off of the Tolkien universe.
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
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    Seems like Tolkien put a lot more thought into this stuff than """fans""" of his work care to. Imagine that.
    And Men can be pure evil you realize that right? Orcs are corrupted beyond belief it's arguably the most horrible thing that Morgoth did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.
    See I might disagree with you, as the executive producer for The Rafe of Time series was going around saying he will ruin fans favorite characters if they said something mean on twitter, and boy did he ruin a lot of characters. Not to mention the lore, the magic system, the history, just about everything. Not saying it isn't possible for the Ring of Power to do the same, but it is a step hill to climb.
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    It's a strange and illogical world where not wanting your 10 year old daughter looking at female-identifying pre-op penises at the YMCA could feasibly be considered transphobic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Yeah, i dont know anyone who loved and grew upp with Tolkien that isnt excited about this show. All the hate and drama is hilarious.

    Some even think they are "protecting and defending" Tokiens honor. Like, daym..
    Grew up loving Tolkien my mom literally read me the hobbit in bed cover to cover by the time I was 6. He's one of the biggest reasons I ended up reading so much. I am not excited by this show it looks like an absolute dumpster fire made by people who want to tell their own story and are using Tolkien's world to do it much like Rafe of Time. Why do they do this? Usually because their ideas are terrible and would never get made if not attached to an established work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Isnt that Goblins who dont like light? there were orcs at Minas Tirith siege during the day, as well as many other places during the day time
    Orcs don't like sunlight, but it doesn't straight up kill them like stone trolls.

    With the right amount of fear put in their heart by their masters, they will march under the sun. It'll suck every step of the way, but they'll do it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.
    In a thread bemoaning the evils of fanfiction, people sure do like inventing their own headcanon about the showrunners' motivations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    The question is, will this be even worse than Wheel of Time?
    That's an achievement in and of itself, but I suppose there's always room to expand at the bottom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.
    Rafe of Time was made by a dude who is on record as saying his favorite ajah in the red, it's kind of hard for it to be even more mean spirited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    Back on the planet Bal, where the Balrogs come from, I don't doubt at all there are females there. Maybe Morgoth didn't take any females with him aboard his interdimensional spaceship back to Middle-Earth to fight the Noldor, Tolkien skipped some of the specifics here.

    You made me choke on my dessert with this comment. Thank you for that. No seriously, it was actually quite funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Rafe of Time was made by a dude who is on record as saying his favorite ajah in the red, it's kind of hard for it to be even more mean spirited.
    Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before they began shitting on Tolkien's legacy. The day Christopher Tolkien died, they fired the actors, recast the show, and completely changed it. They gloated on twitter about it. While his body was still warm. That tells you everything you need to know about how despicable these people are. It absolutely is about destroying Tolkien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Isnt that Goblins who dont like light? there were orcs at Minas Tirith siege during the day, as well as many other places during the day time
    during the siege of minas tirith and the battle of the pellennor fields, prior to any troops taking the field Sauron sent forth a great storm cloud to cover the land between the mountains of Ephel Dúath and the city of minas tirith, in order to shroud the sunlight from the marching hordes of orcs and other fell creatures that answered Saurons call to war. it is Goblins that have the best time in the sun of all the 'evil creatures' of the world, goblins of middle earth were usually great hulking creatures with thick leathery skin and great muscle mass, what you're getting confused about are the small little moria screechers which are more akin to orcs than to goblins.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before they began shitting on Tolkien's legacy. The day Christopher Tolkien died, they fired the actors, recast the show, and completely changed it. They gloated on twitter about it. While his body was still warm. That tells you everything you need to know about how despicable these people are. It absolutely is about destroying Tolkien.
    They did the same shit with Jordan my dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladesyphon View Post
    You made me choke on my dessert with this comment. Thank you for that. No seriously, it was actually quite funny.
    It's even funnier seeing the posts replying to it about how ridiculous a fanfic like this is, while defending... get this, a ridiculous fanfic. But because it's big budget and coming to Amazon, it MUST be more true to Tolkiens work!

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    It never cease to amaze me how people already have their verdict ready when not a single second has aired yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before they began shitting on Tolkien's legacy. The day Christopher Tolkien died, they fired the actors, recast the show, and completely changed it. They gloated on twitter about it.
    Oh, this should be good. Give me a source.

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    I kinda liked the screenshots of the new orcs. Weren't the orcs spawned from elves after all.
    The LOTR movies of bulky warriors (not talking about Uruk-hai) with twice the body mass made no sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONCHEhap View Post
    With the right amount of fear put in their heart by their masters, they will march under the sun. It'll suck every step of the way, but they'll do it
    Dont bring US GOP politics into this thread please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    The LOTR movies of bulky warriors (not talking about Uruk-hai) with twice the body mass made no sense to me.
    I don't remember them showing orcs that were that much bigger than what you'd expect from a juiced human/elf. Well...there were those couple of hero orcs in the Hobbit movies, but it seems pretty easy to explain the handful of large ones by them receiving extra favor/power from their dark lord, or evolution over thousands of years of combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Yeah, i dont know anyone who loved and grew upp with Tolkien that isnt excited about this show. All the hate and drama is hilarious.
    Lifelong Tolkien fan here. This about perfectly sums up how I feel about it:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfruitbat View Post
    Tolkien was *very* protective of his IP as was his son. I feel that this adaptation is already done in bad faith purely from the representation of Galadriel. I think the phrase the showrunners used to describe her was 'full of piss and vinegar'. That is not the character Tolkien wrote, anyone who has read his works knows that. It feels as if they're sat there laughing 'well we own the rights now so we can do what the hell we like'. This is not someone like Stephen King who signs off the rights and almost hopes for the best. There's a quote from him something along the lines of 'its like sending your kids out in the world, you've done your best with them and now you have to leave them to make their own way'

    Regardless of any extraneous messaging, the showrunners have already blatantly gone against the wishes of the author and for that reason, I'm not hopeful.
    As someone who has read Tolkien's works, his take on Galadriel was never fixed and the precise details of her history wandered over the years, but here are a few of his words on her,
    "[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats"
    "she with Celeborn fought heroically in defence of Alqualondë against the assault of the Noldor,"
    and
    "She fought fiercely in defence of her motherkin against Feanor"
    Galadriel, despairing now of Valinor and horrified by the violence and cruelty of Feanor, set sail into the darkness without waiting for Manwe’s leave, which would undoubtedly have been withheld in that hour, however legitimate her desire in itself. It was thus that she came under the ban set upon all departure, and Valinor was shut against her return.
    Pride still moved her when, at the end of the Elder Days after the final overthrow of Morgoth, she refused the pardon of the Valar for all who had fought against him, and remained in Middle Earth. It was not until two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the domination of Middle Earth of which she had dreamed, and her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle Earth forever.
    And finally, in the Appendices of LotR,
    "when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed."

    All the above quotes are from Tolkien, at various places in the Legendarium. They describe a woman who:

    Fought (as in elves killing elves with swords) her father's people because she despised what they were doing (stealing the Sea-Elves ships and killing them if they fought back).

    Left the Blessed Realm by herself, defying the Gods and the elves alike.

    Told the Gods "no thanks" when offered absolution and a return to paradise.

    And finally, sans Ring, personally ripped Sauron's #2 stronghold apart.

    Now, there's a lot of huge gaps in Tolkien's writings on Galadriel, particularly in the Second Age. For example, there's nothing about her actions during the Last Alliance, even though she's described as one of Sauron's greatest foes. But 'full of piss and vinegar' seems a very apt description of her younger self, many long centuries and centuries before the Fellowship meets her in Lothlorien. That doesn't mean the show will be good, but from the little they've shown so far, their depiction of, to quote the good Professor again, "the greatest of the Noldor, except Feanor maybe" seems fine.
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