1. #1481
    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
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    Seems like Tolkien put a lot more thought into this stuff than """fans""" of his work care to. Imagine that.
    And Men can be pure evil you realize that right? Orcs are corrupted beyond belief it's arguably the most horrible thing that Morgoth did.

  2. #1482
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.
    See I might disagree with you, as the executive producer for The Rafe of Time series was going around saying he will ruin fans favorite characters if they said something mean on twitter, and boy did he ruin a lot of characters. Not to mention the lore, the magic system, the history, just about everything. Not saying it isn't possible for the Ring of Power to do the same, but it is a step hill to climb.
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  3. #1483
    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Yeah, i dont know anyone who loved and grew upp with Tolkien that isnt excited about this show. All the hate and drama is hilarious.

    Some even think they are "protecting and defending" Tokiens honor. Like, daym..
    Grew up loving Tolkien my mom literally read me the hobbit in bed cover to cover by the time I was 6. He's one of the biggest reasons I ended up reading so much. I am not excited by this show it looks like an absolute dumpster fire made by people who want to tell their own story and are using Tolkien's world to do it much like Rafe of Time. Why do they do this? Usually because their ideas are terrible and would never get made if not attached to an established work.

  4. #1484
    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Isnt that Goblins who dont like light? there were orcs at Minas Tirith siege during the day, as well as many other places during the day time
    Orcs don't like sunlight, but it doesn't straight up kill them like stone trolls.

    With the right amount of fear put in their heart by their masters, they will march under the sun. It'll suck every step of the way, but they'll do it

  5. #1485
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.
    In a thread bemoaning the evils of fanfiction, people sure do like inventing their own headcanon about the showrunners' motivations...

  6. #1486
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    The question is, will this be even worse than Wheel of Time?
    That's an achievement in and of itself, but I suppose there's always room to expand at the bottom

  7. #1487
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    It will be worse because of how mean spirited this project is.
    Rafe of Time was made by a dude who is on record as saying his favorite ajah in the red, it's kind of hard for it to be even more mean spirited.

  8. #1488
    Quote Originally Posted by Al Gorefiend View Post
    Back on the planet Bal, where the Balrogs come from, I don't doubt at all there are females there. Maybe Morgoth didn't take any females with him aboard his interdimensional spaceship back to Middle-Earth to fight the Noldor, Tolkien skipped some of the specifics here.

    You made me choke on my dessert with this comment. Thank you for that. No seriously, it was actually quite funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Rafe of Time was made by a dude who is on record as saying his favorite ajah in the red, it's kind of hard for it to be even more mean spirited.
    Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before they began shitting on Tolkien's legacy. The day Christopher Tolkien died, they fired the actors, recast the show, and completely changed it. They gloated on twitter about it. While his body was still warm. That tells you everything you need to know about how despicable these people are. It absolutely is about destroying Tolkien.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Isnt that Goblins who dont like light? there were orcs at Minas Tirith siege during the day, as well as many other places during the day time
    during the siege of minas tirith and the battle of the pellennor fields, prior to any troops taking the field Sauron sent forth a great storm cloud to cover the land between the mountains of Ephel Dúath and the city of minas tirith, in order to shroud the sunlight from the marching hordes of orcs and other fell creatures that answered Saurons call to war. it is Goblins that have the best time in the sun of all the 'evil creatures' of the world, goblins of middle earth were usually great hulking creatures with thick leathery skin and great muscle mass, what you're getting confused about are the small little moria screechers which are more akin to orcs than to goblins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before they began shitting on Tolkien's legacy. The day Christopher Tolkien died, they fired the actors, recast the show, and completely changed it. They gloated on twitter about it. While his body was still warm. That tells you everything you need to know about how despicable these people are. It absolutely is about destroying Tolkien.
    They did the same shit with Jordan my dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladesyphon View Post
    You made me choke on my dessert with this comment. Thank you for that. No seriously, it was actually quite funny.
    It's even funnier seeing the posts replying to it about how ridiculous a fanfic like this is, while defending... get this, a ridiculous fanfic. But because it's big budget and coming to Amazon, it MUST be more true to Tolkiens work!

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    It never cease to amaze me how people already have their verdict ready when not a single second has aired yet.
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  14. #1494
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    Amazon waited for Christopher Tolkien to die before they began shitting on Tolkien's legacy. The day Christopher Tolkien died, they fired the actors, recast the show, and completely changed it. They gloated on twitter about it.
    Oh, this should be good. Give me a source.

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    I kinda liked the screenshots of the new orcs. Weren't the orcs spawned from elves after all.
    The LOTR movies of bulky warriors (not talking about Uruk-hai) with twice the body mass made no sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONCHEhap View Post
    With the right amount of fear put in their heart by their masters, they will march under the sun. It'll suck every step of the way, but they'll do it
    Dont bring US GOP politics into this thread please
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    The LOTR movies of bulky warriors (not talking about Uruk-hai) with twice the body mass made no sense to me.
    I don't remember them showing orcs that were that much bigger than what you'd expect from a juiced human/elf. Well...there were those couple of hero orcs in the Hobbit movies, but it seems pretty easy to explain the handful of large ones by them receiving extra favor/power from their dark lord, or evolution over thousands of years of combat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Askyl View Post
    Yeah, i dont know anyone who loved and grew upp with Tolkien that isnt excited about this show. All the hate and drama is hilarious.
    Lifelong Tolkien fan here. This about perfectly sums up how I feel about it:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smallfruitbat View Post
    Tolkien was *very* protective of his IP as was his son. I feel that this adaptation is already done in bad faith purely from the representation of Galadriel. I think the phrase the showrunners used to describe her was 'full of piss and vinegar'. That is not the character Tolkien wrote, anyone who has read his works knows that. It feels as if they're sat there laughing 'well we own the rights now so we can do what the hell we like'. This is not someone like Stephen King who signs off the rights and almost hopes for the best. There's a quote from him something along the lines of 'its like sending your kids out in the world, you've done your best with them and now you have to leave them to make their own way'

    Regardless of any extraneous messaging, the showrunners have already blatantly gone against the wishes of the author and for that reason, I'm not hopeful.
    As someone who has read Tolkien's works, his take on Galadriel was never fixed and the precise details of her history wandered over the years, but here are a few of his words on her,
    "[Galadriel] was then of Amazon disposition and bound up her hair as a crown when taking part in athletic feats"
    "she with Celeborn fought heroically in defence of Alqualondë against the assault of the Noldor,"
    and
    "She fought fiercely in defence of her motherkin against Feanor"
    Galadriel, despairing now of Valinor and horrified by the violence and cruelty of Feanor, set sail into the darkness without waiting for Manwe’s leave, which would undoubtedly have been withheld in that hour, however legitimate her desire in itself. It was thus that she came under the ban set upon all departure, and Valinor was shut against her return.
    Pride still moved her when, at the end of the Elder Days after the final overthrow of Morgoth, she refused the pardon of the Valar for all who had fought against him, and remained in Middle Earth. It was not until two long ages more had passed, when at last all that she had desired in her youth came to her hand, the Ring of Power and the domination of Middle Earth of which she had dreamed, and her wisdom was full grown and she rejected it, and passing the last test departed from Middle Earth forever.
    And finally, in the Appendices of LotR,
    "when the Shadow passed, Celeborn came forth and led the host of Lórien over Anduin in many boats. They took Dol Guldur, and Galadriel threw down its walls and laid bare its pits, and the forest was cleansed."

    All the above quotes are from Tolkien, at various places in the Legendarium. They describe a woman who:

    Fought (as in elves killing elves with swords) her father's people because she despised what they were doing (stealing the Sea-Elves ships and killing them if they fought back).

    Left the Blessed Realm by herself, defying the Gods and the elves alike.

    Told the Gods "no thanks" when offered absolution and a return to paradise.

    And finally, sans Ring, personally ripped Sauron's #2 stronghold apart.

    Now, there's a lot of huge gaps in Tolkien's writings on Galadriel, particularly in the Second Age. For example, there's nothing about her actions during the Last Alliance, even though she's described as one of Sauron's greatest foes. But 'full of piss and vinegar' seems a very apt description of her younger self, many long centuries and centuries before the Fellowship meets her in Lothlorien. That doesn't mean the show will be good, but from the little they've shown so far, their depiction of, to quote the good Professor again, "the greatest of the Noldor, except Feanor maybe" seems fine.
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  18. #1498
    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    "the greatest of the Noldor, except Feanor maybe"
    And to be sure, she literally gave said Fëanor the middle finger straight in his face. Three times.

    She is the OG badass of Tolkien's world.

  19. #1499
    Oh cool maybe we're gonna have a tear jerking romance between Elrond and a female orc lady fighting against the tyranny of her dark lord and patriarchy society.

    Yes, wouldn't surprise me anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogoth View Post
    during the siege of minas tirith and the battle of the pellennor fields, prior to any troops taking the field Sauron sent forth a great storm cloud to cover the land between the mountains of Ephel Dúath and the city of minas tirith, in order to shroud the sunlight from the marching hordes of orcs and other fell creatures that answered Saurons call to war. it is Goblins that have the best time in the sun of all the 'evil creatures' of the world, goblins of middle earth were usually great hulking creatures with thick leathery skin and great muscle mass, what you're getting confused about are the small little moria screechers which are more akin to orcs than to goblins.
    I think its in the Hobbit where its mentioned that neither like daylight, but by Lord of the Rings its only mentioned that away about Goblins, where as Orcs can come out in daylight (with the whole cloud of darkness thing). I know that in the movies both Goblins and Orcs were seen in light, so maybe I am getting my wires crossed somewhere, its been a while since i went over the books. :P
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