Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Super Kami Dende]

I can understand how someone can watch a trailer for something like this and be like "No, that's not for me."

What I do not understand is all the energy some people will spend hating on something that hasn't even been released yet.

It's almost as if People hate when a Franchise they enjoy has something new released that looks like garbage. Shocking right?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It's almost as if People hate when a Franchise they enjoy has something new released that looks like garbage. Shocking right?

Like I said, I can understand why people would not want to watch it. It's the amount of energy they put into hating it before the product has even been released that I question.

[Sanguinerd]

Most of the people I've seen "defending" are more like "wait until it comes out before you make up your mind" or "If you don't like it...just don't watch it". It's not really comparable.

Well.. this thread begs to differ tbh. Some people here are relentless in their "defending" or however you want to call it.

[Makabreska]

Like I said, I can understand why people would not want to watch it. It's the amount of energy they put into hating it before the product has even been released that I question.

I guess they genuinely feel attacked. All the time I see opinions, that "woke" changes ruin everything they like. Black elves in LotR, gay couples in MCU, or Jax going full revenge mode against white people in MK11. Some peeps genuinely feel they and their entertainment are under attack and being ruined in some kind of a culture war. So they respond like it is a war, with allergic and aggressive reactions to any changes from the source material.

[s_bushido]

It's almost as if People hate when a Franchise they enjoy has something new released that looks like garbage. Shocking right?

Imagine believing that most of the NPCs regurgitating the same "go woke go broke!!!" horseshit in response to this stuff actually care about the franchises in question. Adorable.

[kenn9530]

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Its like someone cant do some basic research or math, in its first week it had 1.6 billion minutes viewed over 3 episode thats well over 10 million average, by now that number is far higher that has watched the show, not many shows even reach that high in viewer numbers over thier whole lifespan, wheel of time has been out decades it has a niche fanbase and is very likely far smaller than 6 million, also book sales does not make everyone a fan.

Every LOTR sales are a small number compared to what would can get watching a film or tv series, books are not that popular, not even tv series or movie has to be the next big thing and the fantasy genre as a whole is difficult to get a large audience, only a handful of shows gets fairly large numbers.

Not everything is written in a book so adaptations have to happen so you are the one with no logic here, every single film/tv series is an adaptation to something as its never 100% to its source material.

Its guaranteed everyone here claiming its shit will still watch it all because you have nothing better to do and just want to moan about it more because you feel it doesnt fit the tolkien vision which can never happen in the first place, if you expect something you will always be dissapointed.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Well.. this thread begs to differ tbh. Some people here are relentless in their "defending" or however you want to call it.

Got any examples? I've only really looked over the last couple of pages...but I haven't seen anyone being like "OMG, it's going to be the best show EVAR!"

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I guess they genuinely feel attacked. All the time I see opinions, that "woke" changes ruin everything they like. Black elves in LotR, gay couples in MCU, or Jax going full revenge mode against white people in MK11. Some peeps genuinely feel they and their entertainment are under attack and being ruined in some kind of a culture war. So they respond like it is a war, with allergic and aggressive reactions to any changes from the source material.

Well, ive got nothing good to say about people that feel "attacked" over black elves.

[Rennadrel]

Imagine believing that most of the NPCs regurgitating the same "go woke go broke!!!" horseshit in response to this stuff actually care about the franchises in question. Adorable.

Certainly hasn't been panning out too well for Disney at the box office recently has it? Lightyear got crushed by a movie for kids with ADHD and Autism for fuck sake and doesn't try to push any sort of message. Thor is getting panned for being garbage too by even some of the biggest apologists for mediocrity that I've seen. Disney is getting embarrassed at the box office by a sequel to a movie that came out the year I was born! It's almost like if you make a good and entertaining film, people will go see it and they will praise it appropriately, a mediocre film will get criticized. It isn't the fact that things are "woke" either. It's that the writing is generally terrible and doesn't really build up new characters or ideas well enough to make them compelling for the existing fanbase to care about.

Amazon has failed to even provide compelling preview footage for their show, so I'm not sure how you expect people to react to changes that they are making in Tolkien's universe. All I see is a bunch of garbage CGI, characters being cast out of their canonical tropes (like Galadrial, who isn't a warrior) and black people cast as races that don't have melanin in Middle Earth in dwarves and elves. Amazon does what Disney does, attempts to play on nostalgia in an attempt to bait people in, and people often wind up being disappointed with the end result. Either they hit it out of the park, or this becomes one of the most expensive flops in TV history. Considering The Wheel of Time flopped with the reader fanbase of the series, I won't be at all surprised if this disappoints Tolkien purists even worse.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Certainly hasn't been panning out too well for Disney at the box office recently has it? Lightyear got crushed by a movie for kids with ADHD and Autism for fuck sake and doesn't try to push any sort of message. Thor is getting panned for being garbage too by even some of the biggest apologists for mediocrity that I've seen. Disney is getting embarrassed at the box office by a sequel to a movie that came out the year I was born! It's almost like if you make a good and entertaining film, people will go see it and they will praise it appropriately, a mediocre film will get criticized. It isn't the fact that things are "woke" either. It's that the writing is generally terrible and doesn't really build up new characters or ideas well enough to make them compelling for the existing fanbase to care about.

https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/th...-office-total/

Can't say much for lightyear... but Thor is doing just fine at the Box Office

Thor: Love and Thunder will score the third-biggest box office opening of the year and the biggest ever for a Thor movie.

[Makabreska]

Ye, I don't think Disney should be worried with MCU box office performance anytime soon. They got a well oiled machine going on, creating hyped movie after movie of a at least okay quality, and are yet to make a Morbius type of fuck up.

[Adamas102]

… and black people cast as races that don't have melanin in Middle Earth in dwarves and elves.

This is still the biggest wtf in all the complaints I’ve seen. A human of African descent and a human of Scandinavian descent have infinitely more in common physiologically than they do with dwarves or elves. These are mythical non-human creatures that didn’t undergo any of the evolutionary biology that Earth humans underwent. They are not natural beings, much less human. So why the actual fuck is anyone bitching about melanin?

I mean, the answer is simple. Racists don’t like people of color encroaching on their territory and will look for any excuse (no matter how ridiculous) to rationalize it.

[Khaza-R]

The whole X can't be X skin color kind of falls apart in a universe where people didn't evolve but were created. Not at all unbelievable that since human were purposely made with varying skin tones that dwarves and elves would have them too.

I am far more concerned that the elves in general look kind of lazy. Like humans just with pointy ears. I mean when young Galadriel's ears are covered in some of the promo shots, I thought she was just some human girl. I am not really sure that's good design because Tolkien's elves are supposed to distinctive. The good news is that the dwarves, orcs and hobbits look good from what I've seen.

[Soimu]

Even the Fellowship itself was a form of diversity. A wizard, an elf, a dwarf, 2 humans, and 4 Hobbits. That's 5 different races (you can split it to 6, if you want) coming together to basically save the world, something none of them could have done alone when they're brought together. Though, they are all white, so I suppose that makes it the totally fine type of diversity LoTR literally teaches you about diversity, ffs. But people will complain and say it has no place in there if someone else is doing it.

I hope they will do a remake of LOTR soon. The Fellowship will be so diverse i will laugh my ass off and Frodo will definitely bang Sam now.

[Orby]

I hope they will do a remake of LOTR soon. The Fellowship will be so diverse i will laugh my ass off and Frodo will definitely bang Sam now.

What are we now? 22 years since Fellowship? I say give it another 5-10 years and they'll be a remake down the line. Maybe made by Disney after their corporate take over of the worlds media. Then we'll get Iron Man/Tony Stark as Gandalf and appearances of the Jedi fighting middle earth wizards while Elsa sings Let it Go' to a female Frodo as they/them is tempted to drop the ring into the rainbow mountain of flame. And then its banned in China. :P

I mean a part of me would pay to see that :P

[Soimu]

What are we now? 22 years since Fellowship? I say give it another 5-10 years and they'll be a remake down the line. Maybe made by Disney after their corporate take over of the worlds media. Then we'll get Iron Man/Tony Stark as Gandalf and appearances of the Jedi fighting middle earth wizards while Elsa sings Let it Go' to a female Frodo as they/them is tempted to drop the ring into the rainbow mountain of flame. And then its banned in China. :P

I mean a part of me would pay to see that :P

Isn't that Fortnite?

[bledgor]

What are we now? 22 years since Fellowship? I say give it another 5-10 years and they'll be a remake down the line. Maybe made by Disney after their corporate take over of the worlds media. Then we'll get Iron Man/Tony Stark as Gandalf and appearances of the Jedi fighting middle earth wizards while Elsa sings Let it Go' to a female Frodo as they/them is tempted to drop the ring into the rainbow mountain of flame. And then its banned in China. :P

I mean a part of me would pay to see that :P

Just give them a few years till they buy paramount, then we can REALLY see the Star Trek vs Star Wars battle....

Can we please start hitting some of these monopolies/oligarchies and breaking them up? Teddy 2.0?

[Orby]

Isn't that Fortnite?

lol funnily enough you are right. dear god, the future is Fortnite

[Rennadrel]

This is still the biggest wtf in all the complaints I’ve seen. A human of African descent and a human of Scandinavian descent have infinitely more in common physiologically than they do with dwarves or elves. These are mythical non-human creatures that didn’t undergo any of the evolutionary biology that Earth humans underwent. They are not natural beings, much less human. So why the actual fuck is anyone bitching about melanin?

I mean, the answer is simple. Racists don’t like people of color encroaching on their territory and will look for any excuse (no matter how ridiculous) to rationalize it.

You do realize that British folklore doesn't represent 2022's American racial demographics, right? Tolkien's writings are a product of the era that he lived in and his homeland, and should be respected as such. Don't like what he created? Create your own fantasy universe and do whatever you want with it rather than changing what someone else wrote and created.

Also, do you seriously think a demographic that spends the majority of its existence living inside a mountain with no exposure to sunlight would be anything other than pale as a ghost?

[Adamas102]

You do realize that British folklore doesn't represent 2022's American racial demographics, right? Tolkien's writings are a product of the era that he lived in and his homeland, and should be respected as such. Don't like what he created? Create your own fantasy universe and do whatever you want with it rather than changing what someone else wrote and created.

American demographics? Waaaaait, are you unaware that black people can be British?

You'll have to point me to where Tolkien wrote "I dedicate these stories to England, but ONLY England as it exists within these particular years. Not future England, my love for my country goes no further than the mid 20th century". Oh yeah, he never said that. Never even suggested that his writings needed to adhere to the demographics of his time.

This idea is a fabrication parroted by a small group of racists who like to call themselves fans of his works. His writings might have often reflected his era, but knowing his opinions on diversity he'd probably be rolling in his grave if he knew part of the fandom was using his personal history as an excuse to maintain a sense of white purity and dominance in his fantasy world. The man had hoped that his works would live on and be adapted and expanded by other creators long after he'd completed his contributions. He never once suggested "hey, make sure no black people show up as any of the good and heroic races, though. Whites only. Everyone else can make up their own fantasy worlds".

Also, do you seriously think a demographic that spends the majority of its existence living inside a mountain with no exposure to sunlight would be anything other than pale as a ghost?

In a fantasy world where creatures are created fully formed and don't adhere to realistic biology? Absolutely. Tolkien certainly never concerned himself with true evolutionary, biological, and physiological realism, so why are you trying to use it as an excuse for pushing racist "no blacks allowed" ideologies?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Also, do you seriously think a demographic that spends the majority of its existence living inside a mountain with no exposure to sunlight would be anything other than pale as a ghost?

If that's your rationale...than most of the dwarves in the movies are already "too dark". They should also all be incredibly light-sensitive.

Honestly, the more people try to explain away that their hatred of non-white dwarves is not racist...the more racist they end up sounding.