Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Jastall]

You do realize that British folklore doesn't represent 2022's American racial demographics, right? Tolkien's writings are a product of the era that he lived in and his homeland, and should be respected as such. Don't like what he created? Create your own fantasy universe and do whatever you want with it rather than changing what someone else wrote and created.

Also, do you seriously think a demographic that spends the majority of its existence living inside a mountain with no exposure to sunlight would be anything other than pale as a ghost?

If Dwarves were "realistic" the mere fact of going out into the sunlight should blind the fuck out of them and they certainly shouldn't look like short humans with beards. To say nothing of even trying to explain the biological implications of Elves being nigh-immortal. You're fighting a losing battle by trying to bring real-world biology in a universe with 0 concerns for it.

Sentient trees that sometimes walk, Balrogs, Ungoliant, friggin wizards who actually are angels, that's all fine and well within the bounds of science we accept in our fantasy universe made by a linguist who didn't give two fucks about such things, but black people? Outside of their Designated Black People Zone? Na, that's just going too far son. My immersion, it is shattered.

[uuuhname]

You mean my factual correct remarks about the show being AT BEST a fuck awful adaptation that heavily deviates from the story Tolkien created? You know what, you last part is right, not worth commenting on your posts, not sorry.

you are high on goofballs thinking there is anything "objective" to what you're doing here.

but again what else am I supposed to except when the argument ALWAYS boils down to this:

I mean, the answer is simple. Racists don’t like people of color encroaching on their territory and will look for any excuse (no matter how ridiculous) to rationalize it.

unless you want this IP to completely become irrelevant you have to keep up with the times. otherwise why should anyone but the self appointed gatekeepers care.

[Xath]

"All day" is apparently 4 quickly-typed posts spread out across the day lol Do you assume nothing else happens in-between?

Go cry somewhere about Wheel of Time. Maybe someone, somewhere, will find your whining productive. It certainly isn't the actions of, as I said, a well adjusted adult. But sure, I'm trolling lol And I can't believe you tried to make a point about it being a WoW forum and me posting about non-WoW topics. Holy shit... grab a mirror, dude. Why would you even be in this part of the forum if you thought posting about anything but WoW was something worth pointing out?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go jump back in the pool

My point was you can't really take shots at people for not being well adjusted unless you yourself aren't well adjusted since you post even more than them. Apparently that flew over your head though and don't worry people definitely believe you have your own pool and don't mock you

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Its like someone cant do some basic research or math, in its first week it had 1.6 billion minutes viewed over 3 episode thats well over 10 million average, by now that number is far higher that has watched the show, not many shows even reach that high in viewer numbers over thier whole lifespan, wheel of time has been out decades it has a niche fanbase and is very likely far smaller than 6 million, also book sales does not make everyone a fan.

Every LOTR sales are a small number compared to what would can get watching a film or tv series, books are not that popular, not even tv series or movie has to be the next big thing and the fantasy genre as a whole is difficult to get a large audience, only a handful of shows gets fairly large numbers.

Not everything is written in a book so adaptations have to happen so you are the one with no logic here, every single film/tv series is an adaptation to something as its never 100% to its source material.

Its guaranteed everyone here claiming its shit will still watch it all because you have nothing better to do and just want to moan about it more because you feel it doesnt fit the tolkien vision which can never happen in the first place, if you expect something you will always be dissapointed.

Average was around an hour per episode so it would be around 9 mil per episode and it went down significantly after the first 3. WoT has a much bigger fanbase as a book series than the tv show.

[bledgor]

Average was around an hour per episode so it would be around 9 mil per episode and it went down significantly after the first 3. WoT has a much bigger fanbase as a book series than the tv show.

Kenn is the star citizens uber fan, I had forgotten, so take that how you will. I mean he ignored the books sold average I mentioned and STILL claims the books "very likely far smaller than 6 million" when factually we know they sold that.

[Varodoc]

If the trailer didn't report the name "Lord of the Rings" I wouldn't even have noticed it's set in Middle Earth. Just like if the black guy didn't have pointy ears then I wouldn't even have noticed he's an elf.

[s_bushido]

Just like if the black guy didn't have pointy ears then I wouldn't even have noticed he's an elf.

Indeed. Elves, much like Vulcans, are strangely similar to humans, just with pointy ears and sometimes slick hair.

But watch out! Sometimes they throw a curveball at you!


They don't even have funny forehead bumps or anything. How are we supposed to tell?!

[Nerovar]

If the trailer didn't report the name "Lord of the Rings" I wouldn't even have noticed it's set in Middle Earth. Just like if the black guy didn't have pointy ears then I wouldn't even have noticed he's an elf.

Clearly you have not read Tolkien otherwise you would know there are Dark Elves/Moriquendi. Also notice how "mori" (meaning dark/black in quenya) sounds awfully similar to "Moors"/Mauri who are people of colour. Just some food for thought.

[Biomega]

Indeed. Elves, much like Vulcans, are strangely similar to humans, just with pointy ears and sometimes slick hair.

But watch out! Sometimes they throw a curveball at you!


They don't even have funny forehead bumps or anything. How are we supposed to tell?!

And ironically, he is THE best portrayal of a Vulcan in all of Trek.

So... yeah.

[Relikk]

My point was you can't really take shots at people for not being well adjusted unless you yourself aren't well adjusted since you post even more than them.

Put the twerpy edgelord on ignore.

[Wilian]

(the potential was there you can argue, but she never fought in the stories we have, so yes it is changing)

Actually in one of the last revisions to Galadriel before his death (Compiled into Book of Lost Tales) Tolkien wrote a chapter that concludes Galadriel fought fiercely during the events of the Kinslaying but on the side of her mother and the Teleri and this deed was why Valar was willing to forgive her.

Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.

And as with Tolkien, the later writings tend to overrule the earliel ones.

[kenn9530]

Kenn is the star citizens uber fan, I had forgotten, so take that how you will. I mean he ignored the books sold average I mentioned and STILL claims the books "very likely far smaller than 6 million" when factually we know they sold that.

You wouldnt know a fact if it hit you in the face, not everyone that bought the book is a fan and many fans have bought multiple copies over the years, not every fan has bought the whole series.

There is 15 books for the wheel of time series and only the very first book even sold that well, the rest of the books those numbers dropped hard, the real fans buy the rest of the series.

[Dhrizzle]

Actually in one of the last revisions to Galadriel before his death (Compiled into Book of Lost Tales) Tolkien wrote a chapter that concludes Galadriel fought fiercely during the events of the Kinslaying but on the side of her mother and the Teleri and this deed was why Valar was willing to forgive her.

Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.

And as with Tolkien, the later writings tend to overrule the earliel ones.

Tolkien had major revisions in mind for the history of Middle Earth, he preferred the idea of orcs being corrupted Men, not Elves, so he was going to push back the time they Awakened. He also apparently didn't like the idea of the Valar changing the shape of the world and wanted it to be a globe from the start, and the sun and moon were to always have existed but been obscured. If he'd been able to focus on the narrative more and finish the Silmarillion we would have ended up with a very different set of events.

In the later versions of Galadriel's story she was much closer to her Teleri kin and planned to set sail to Middle Earth independent of the rest of the Noldor, neither permitted nor directly rebelling against the Valar. Tolkien really wanted to distance her from the sins of Feanor and his sons and it's only because she was prepared to go at the time the other Noldor rebelled that she got caught up in the same ban. In this version (or one of these versions) Celeborn is Calaquendi which is a massive promotion for him.

[Xath]

You wouldnt know a fact if it hit you in the face, not everyone that bought the book is a fan and many fans have bought multiple copies over the years, not every fan has bought the whole series.

There is 15 books for the wheel of time series and only the very first book even sold that well, the rest of the books those numbers dropped hard, the real fans buy the rest of the series.

You mean how there was an even steeper drop from the first 3 episodes to the final one percentage wise Sure sounds like there aren't very many "real fans" of rafe of time and that only takes 8 hours to get through. Almost sounds like it might be kind of trash.

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So, to you, the simple action of posting on this forum means someone is not a well adjusted adult? The fuck do you smoke lol I could post 100x more than someone on this website, what matters is the content of what is posted. I'm not here spending my time whining about a series that is still months away from even airing... There was nothing there to actually fly over my head lol

You're not playing with a full deck of cards, are you?

Is having a pool something entirely unbelievable in 2022 aren't pools basically everywhere in the US lol Why would it be worthy of mockery? It's hot in the UK right now, dude, you bet your delusional arse I got myself a nice 10ft pool to cool off in. It was half price, too, at just £20 Going to be even hotter today, I'm sure I'll get my monies worth.

No that's your claim. You are the one attacking people for posting on the forums. My point is that you yourself are doing the action that you accuse others of. Also I don't believe you because nobody just posts yeah bro going back to pool now who actually has a pool. Like how pathetic would you have to be that you need to argue on the internet between dips in the pool not to mention the whole issue of water and phones.

[kenn9530]

You mean how there was an even steeper drop from the first 3 episodes to the final one percentage wise Sure sounds like there aren't very many "real fans" of rafe of time and that only takes 8 hours to get through. Almost sounds like it might be kind of trash.

You are just upset because you have been proven incorrect that the show was good because you believe it wasnt, more ppl continue to watch the wheel of time tv series and that number will rise while the books will barely change, just face it the books version is no better than the tv series version.

The books themselves did the same, larger for the first book and a continued large drop for every book after, thats just the reality of entertainment.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

There's already an entire thread about the Wheel of Time...we don't need to keep rehashing those arguments here.

[Xath]

You are just upset because you have been proven incorrect that the show was good because you believe it wasnt, more ppl continue to watch the wheel of time tv series and that number will rise while the books will barely change, just face it the books version is no better than the tv series version.

The books themselves did the same, larger for the first book and a continued large drop for every book after, thats just the reality of entertainment.

Lol it will be canceled after next season really not worried. They managed to alienate 90% of book fans and that last awful episode alienated most non book fans. The books have a far larger audience as had been proved to you multiple times mathematically and a single book takes more time to read than rafe of time does to watch.

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There's already an entire thread about the Wheel of Time...we don't need to keep rehashing those arguments here.

Those arguements kind of directly tie into the death of the author style of change that many fear will happen with this version of a story set in the lotr universe that did happen in rafe of time

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Those arguements kind of directly tie into the death of the author style of change that many fear will happen with this version of a story set in the lotr universe that did happen in rafe of time

You've had several back and forths now talking about the popularity of the WoT Books vs the Series. You can have those arguments in the Wheel of Time thread.

This thread is about the LotR series, which isn't directly based on any of those books. Keep it to that.

And, to be clear, I'm making this statement to everyone involved on that needlessly derailing conversation...not just you.

[kenn9530]

Lol it will be canceled after next season really not worried. They managed to alienate 90% of book fans and that last awful episode alienated most non book fans. The books have a far larger audience as had been proved to you multiple times mathematically and a single book takes more time to read than rafe of time does to watch.

It doesnt matter how many series a show gets or how many films something gets, also books are a fraction of the viewerbase so you dont need to lie because you have been proven wrong time and time again, LOTR series will also not rely on fans of the book either and it will still be a good series regardless of any and all possible changes required, Wheel of Time book fanbase is a few million, not tens of millions like have already watched the series.

[Fabinas]

Difference between Wheel of Time and Rings of Power is that the first was a clearly established story in the books (which got Rap[h]ed in the series, pun intended) and that the second is just outlines of events during the Second Age of Middle Earth. That means that every liberty the show producers take with the stories could be considered as warranted, since there is already an almost white canvas.

As i said before, i don't agree with the artistic interpretations and liberties the producers seem to have taken with the characters and races, but i'll wait to watch the show before i formulate any opinion. I do hope the show is good and my only complain will be the one mentioned above. Something WoT didn't succeed, because it was just ok, trending to mediocre.

[Koriani]

Unfortunately those types tend to be the loudest people. Really across all mediums. I mean you can see it in WoW even.

Which in a way is sad because there are some very legitimate criticisms out there. Not just focusing on negativity but genuinely concerned because they want to enjoy the final product and for it to be better. But then there are those who lump the two together and just dismiss everything.

But that's just it - there aren't really "legit" criticisms because there's nothing to watch that's "a legit episode" to give actual criticism about. Its just screen shots, trailer shorts, little few minute tidbits they've released to get the 'hype train' going. But because all of these 'teaser' bits can only really be about what things 'look like' (because that's all you're going to get in a bunch of trailers and screenshots heh) then the only REAL thing people can bitch about is all surface/appearance stuff.

So when everything people have to go on amounts to little to no dialogue and a bunch of pretty pictures - you can only get positive or negative feedback about PICTURES without any actual 'content' or even 'context'.

Making none of it "legit" outside of "I don't like how it (the scene/costumes/building/character) LOOKS." And/or "I don't like what XYZ claimed in an interview."

And people who know better than to assume they know 100% about something based on five minutes of screen shots and pretty colors - have the same opinion we've had our entire lives of watching movies and tv shows. (Because this never changed.) To wait until something actually gets released to find out what it REALLY is. Good or bad. Whether that's going to your favorite "reviewer" who now actually has SOMETHING to review (rather than 20 minute rants about screenshots - lol), or seeing who around you watches it/likes it/doesn't like it, or yeah - the final act - watching something oneself and deciding from there. (shocker! =D)

I mean I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes die-hard fan and back when CBS released their last "Sherlock Holmes" series and made him modern-day, with Watson a girl, I thought for sure I'd hate it. Not because its bad to flip the characters or that I'm sexist - but because I like my Sherlock "original". But I ended up giving the show a shot and ended up watching it for its entire run. I don't say its the best thing I ever watched or anything, but I certainly ended up entertained well enough for several years worth of tv watching. And didn't feel they "Butchered" a favorite character or "ruined" anything for me. So yeah, even if you think you might hate one adaptation or another - you might end up surprised if you give it a chance.

A lesson some denzien haters on the internet will never learn - because their mind gets made up over 3 screenshots and listening to 5 people bitch about nothing factual for months on end until release. That's how you sour a well. Oh well - it takes all types! =D