You do realize that British folklore doesn't represent 2022's American racial demographics, right? Tolkien's writings are a product of the era that he lived in and his homeland, and should be respected as such. Don't like what he created? Create your own fantasy universe and do whatever you want with it rather than changing what someone else wrote and created.
Also, do you seriously think a demographic that spends the majority of its existence living inside a mountain with no exposure to sunlight would be anything other than pale as a ghost?
American demographics? Waaaaait, are you unaware that black people can be British?
You'll have to point me to where Tolkien wrote "I dedicate these stories to England, but ONLY England as it exists within these particular years. Not future England, my love for my country goes no further than the mid 20th century". Oh yeah, he never said that. Never even suggested that his writings needed to adhere to the demographics of his time.
This idea is a fabrication parroted by a small group of racists who like to call themselves fans of his works. His writings might have often reflected his era, but knowing his opinions on diversity he'd probably be rolling in his grave if he knew part of the fandom was using his personal history as an excuse to maintain a sense of white purity and dominance in his fantasy world. The man had hoped that his works would live on and be adapted and expanded by other creators long after he'd completed his contributions. He never once suggested "hey, make sure no black people show up as any of the good and heroic races, though. Whites only. Everyone else can make up their own fantasy worlds".
In a fantasy world where creatures are created fully formed and don't adhere to realistic biology? Absolutely. Tolkien certainly never concerned himself with true evolutionary, biological, and physiological realism, so why are you trying to use it as an excuse for pushing racist "no blacks allowed" ideologies?
If that's your rationale...than most of the dwarves in the movies are already "too dark". They should also all be incredibly light-sensitive.
Honestly, the more people try to explain away that their hatred of non-white dwarves is not racist...the more racist they end up sounding.
You will all notice that certain posters are all very keen to talk about Neely's actions before the Chokehold...but they dodge every question about Penny's actions during the chokehold.... particularly that he held the chokehold after Neely lost consciousness...
If Dwarves were "realistic" the mere fact of going out into the sunlight should blind the fuck out of them and they certainly shouldn't look like short humans with beards. To say nothing of even trying to explain the biological implications of Elves being nigh-immortal. You're fighting a losing battle by trying to bring real-world biology in a universe with 0 concerns for it.
Sentient trees that sometimes walk, Balrogs, Ungoliant, friggin wizards who actually are angels, that's all fine and well within the bounds of science we accept in our fantasy universe made by a linguist who didn't give two fucks about such things, but black people? Outside of their Designated Black People Zone? Na, that's just going too far son. My immersion, it is shattered.
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you are high on goofballs thinking there is anything "objective" to what you're doing here.
but again what else am I supposed to except when the argument ALWAYS boils down to this:
unless you want this IP to completely become irrelevant you have to keep up with the times. otherwise why should anyone but the self appointed gatekeepers care.I mean, the answer is simple. Racists don’t like people of color encroaching on their territory and will look for any excuse (no matter how ridiculous) to rationalize it.
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My point was you can't really take shots at people for not being well adjusted unless you yourself aren't well adjusted since you post even more than them. Apparently that flew over your head though and don't worry people definitely believe you have your own pool and don't mock you
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Average was around an hour per episode so it would be around 9 mil per episode and it went down significantly after the first 3. WoT has a much bigger fanbase as a book series than the tv show.
If the trailer didn't report the name "Lord of the Rings" I wouldn't even have noticed it's set in Middle Earth. Just like if the black guy didn't have pointy ears then I wouldn't even have noticed he's an elf.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Actually in one of the last revisions to Galadriel before his death (Compiled into Book of Lost Tales) Tolkien wrote a chapter that concludes Galadriel fought fiercely during the events of the Kinslaying but on the side of her mother and the Teleri and this deed was why Valar was willing to forgive her.
Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back. Her pride was unwilling to return, a defeated suppliant for pardon; but now she burned with desire to follow Fëanor with her anger to whatever lands he might come, and to thwart him in all ways that she could.
And as with Tolkien, the later writings tend to overrule the earliel ones.
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You wouldnt know a fact if it hit you in the face, not everyone that bought the book is a fan and many fans have bought multiple copies over the years, not every fan has bought the whole series.
There is 15 books for the wheel of time series and only the very first book even sold that well, the rest of the books those numbers dropped hard, the real fans buy the rest of the series.
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Tolkien had major revisions in mind for the history of Middle Earth, he preferred the idea of orcs being corrupted Men, not Elves, so he was going to push back the time they Awakened. He also apparently didn't like the idea of the Valar changing the shape of the world and wanted it to be a globe from the start, and the sun and moon were to always have existed but been obscured. If he'd been able to focus on the narrative more and finish the Silmarillion we would have ended up with a very different set of events.
In the later versions of Galadriel's story she was much closer to her Teleri kin and planned to set sail to Middle Earth independent of the rest of the Noldor, neither permitted nor directly rebelling against the Valar. Tolkien really wanted to distance her from the sins of Feanor and his sons and it's only because she was prepared to go at the time the other Noldor rebelled that she got caught up in the same ban. In this version (or one of these versions) Celeborn is Calaquendi which is a massive promotion for him.
You mean how there was an even steeper drop from the first 3 episodes to the final one percentage wiseSure sounds like there aren't very many "real fans" of rafe of time and that only takes 8 hours to get through. Almost sounds like it might be kind of trash.
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No that's your claim. You are the one attacking people for posting on the forums. My point is that you yourself are doing the action that you accuse others of. Also I don't believe you because nobody just posts yeah bro going back to pool now who actually has a pool. Like how pathetic would you have to be that you need to argue on the internet between dips in the pool not to mention the whole issue of water and phones.
You are just upset because you have been proven incorrect that the show was good because you believe it wasnt, more ppl continue to watch the wheel of time tv series and that number will rise while the books will barely change, just face it the books version is no better than the tv series version.
The books themselves did the same, larger for the first book and a continued large drop for every book after, thats just the reality of entertainment.
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There's already an entire thread about the Wheel of Time...we don't need to keep rehashing those arguments here.
You will all notice that certain posters are all very keen to talk about Neely's actions before the Chokehold...but they dodge every question about Penny's actions during the chokehold.... particularly that he held the chokehold after Neely lost consciousness...