Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[s_bushido]

You still don't understand what I am saying. It's the pattern. You get excited about a movie or a series of your favourite book or game and you can't wait to watch it. You watch it and it's shit. Because it comes of as patronising and condenesending. It seems that the creators nowdays don't just want to make an entertaining material, they just want to educate and virtue signal. And whenever their product fails, they blame the racism.

It's racism when people see basic concepts like "diversity is our strength" and assume it's virtue signaling because it happens to involve non-white actors. That theme comes up over and over again in Jackson's movies. Probably the biggest example is a scene which Tolkien purists no-doubt lost their shit over: when the elves show up at Helm's Deep. The development of the friendship between Gimli and Legolas, despite the racial animus the two shared at the beginning of the story, is also a huge part of it. And it goes right down to "even the smallest person can change the course of history" (another change/addition which undoubtedly enraged those for whom nothing would have been acceptable but a shot-for-shot adaptation of the novels). What idiots on the internet call "virtue signaling," everyone else just calls "storytelling."

[UnifiedDivide]

I agree with you

The fact you took my post about people on the internet whining about inconsequential things because they have nothing else in their lives, and proceeding to do exactly that is... well, its something.

The source material, that people so claim to love (to the point of disgusting worship of it, even while some clearly don't actually know it all that well), is still there. It will forever be there. If someone makes a movie/TV series/whatever that ends up being bad, you move the fuck on and just go back to the source that remains untouched. You don't cry for months and months, in this case over something that is still months away from even airing, and fill your life with it just so you can be mad at something. Unless, as I said, you have fuck all else going on in your life.

For instance, I've wanted to see a screen adaptation of The Riftwar Cycle, which is about 30 books, for around 2 decades (roughly when I first started reading it). The author has held out for what he feels is the best deal, with the best people, this entire time. There was news earlier this year that there was now going to be a TV series that adapts the first 6 books. Am I looking forward to it? Absolutely. Will I cry on a gaming forum for months before it airs and months after it finishes if it isn't done exactly as I want it or think it should be done? Hell no. I'm a functioning adult with better shit to worry about.

TL;DR Be a grown up and get over it.

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It is not about the diversity, it is not about inclusion

I don't care if they put an asian wheelchair bound wizzard in the show or not

if the show is crammed full of [...] diversity and inclusion, chances are that they are not making a good story, they are making a message.

So, it is about diversity and inclusion, and you do care if they put an "asian wheelchair bound wizzard" in there... and clearly not about a "good story."

[druenos]

Would be cool if they did a tv series based on The Silmarillion but no matter what it is based on, it will probably have crappy writers and actors. I liked the Hobbit movies a lot. I liked them a lot more than the book. I liked the lord of the rings movies a lot. Only thing i hated about the lord of the rings movies was how emo-ish and androgynous the actor who played frodo baggins was. The guy who played sam wise was pretty annoying too.

In the books they were even more " emo-ish ", they were crying all the time. If anything they toned it down a notch in the movies.

[UnifiedDivide]

"diversity is our strength"

Even the Fellowship itself was a form of diversity. A wizard, an elf, a dwarf, 2 humans, and 4 Hobbits. That's 5 different races (you can split it to 6, if you want) coming together to basically save the world, something none of them could have done alone when they're brought together. Though, they are all white, so I suppose that makes it the totally fine type of diversity LoTR literally teaches you about diversity, ffs. But people will complain and say it has no place in there if someone else is doing it.

[loppy88]

The fact you took my post about people on the internet whining about inconsequential things because they have nothing else in their lives, and proceeding to do exactly that is... well, its something.

The source material, that people so claim to love (to the point of disgusting worship of it, even while some clearly don't actually know it all that well), is still there. It will forever be there. If someone makes a movie/TV series/whatever that ends up being bad, you move the fuck on and just go back to the source that remains untouched. You don't cry for months and months, in this case over something that is still months away from even airing, and fill your life with it just so you can be mad at something. Unless, as I said, you have fuck all else going on in your life.

For instance, I've wanted to see a screen adaptation of The Riftwar Cycle, which is about 30 books, for around 2 decades (roughly when I first started reading it). The author has held out for what he feels is the best deal, with the best people, this entire time. There was news earlier this year that there was now going to be a TV series that adapts the first 6 books. Am I looking forward to it? Absolutely. Will I cry on a gaming forum for months before it airs and months after it finishes if it isn't done exactly as I want it or think it should be done? Hell no. I'm a functioning adult with better shit to worry about.

TL;DR Be a grown up and get over it.

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So, it is about diversity and inclusion, and you do care if they put an "asian wheelchair bound wizzard" in there... and clearly not about a "good story."

Meh, never change I guess

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It's racism when people see basic concepts like "diversity is our strength" and assume it's virtue signaling because it happens to involve non-white actors. That theme comes up over and over again in Jackson's movies. Probably the biggest example is a scene which Tolkien purists no-doubt lost their shit over: when the elves show up at Helm's Deep. The development of the friendship between Gimli and Legolas, despite the racial animus the two shared at the beginning of the story, is also a huge part of it. And it goes right down to "even the smallest person can change the course of history" (another change/addition which undoubtedly enraged those for whom nothing would have been acceptable but a shot-for-shot adaptation of the novels). What idiots on the internet call "virtue signaling," everyone else just calls "storytelling."

You assume racism, what I see is companies avoiding responsibilities for their failures. Imagine saying my product doesn't suck, it's the consumers who are wrong.

[UnifiedDivide]

Meh, never change I guess

I will continue to be a well adjusted adult, sure.

I'm sure you'll continue to scream into the void about things that don't really matter.

All is well with the world.

[s_bushido]

You assume racism, what I see is companies avoiding responsibilities for their failures. Imagine saying my product doesn't suck, it's the consumers who are wrong.

Shit's not even out yet, and people are already convinced it sucks. What else are studios supposed to think when the reasons given are *checks notes* black elves, beardless female dwarves, and Elrond with short hair?

[Xath]

I will continue to be a well adjusted adult, sure.

I'm sure you'll continue to scream into the void about things that don't really matter.

All is well with the world.

Being a well adjusted adult is spending all day trolling on a wow forum about non wow topics :P

[UnifiedDivide]

Being a well adjusted adult is spending all day trolling on a wow forum about non wow topics :P

"All day" is apparently 4 quickly-typed posts spread out across the day lol Do you assume nothing else happens in-between?

Go cry somewhere about Wheel of Time. Maybe someone, somewhere, will find your whining productive. It certainly isn't the actions of, as I said, a well adjusted adult. But sure, I'm trolling lol And I can't believe you tried to make a point about it being a WoW forum and me posting about non-WoW topics. Holy shit... grab a mirror, dude. Why would you even be in this part of the forum if you thought posting about anything but WoW was something worth pointing out?

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go jump back in the pool

[bledgor]

Shit's not even out yet, and people are already convinced it sucks. What else are studios supposed to think when the reasons given are *checks notes* black elves, beardless female dwarves, and Elrond with short hair?

The squishing of thousands of years into only a few years, the changing of Galadrials characters (who also during this age has a daugher, kind of important since she is Arwens mother), the cutting of important characters to the story (Celeborn/Cirdan the shipwright are who?), the addition of 5 new characters in a story already crammed full of characters, adding a race (harfoots) that wasn't around yet and wouldn't be till the next age.

Might want to update your notes, because that is a lot of things to flub already, and considering how Amazon has handled other adaptations it doesn't inspire confidence.

[s_bushido]

that is a lot of things to flub already

lol... Along with the "it's just fan-fiction!!!" nonsense, calling things that happen in literally every adaptations "flubs" has to be up their with the most out-of-touch takes imaginable.

And for reference, some omega-nerds compiled a massive list of the changes in Jackson's trilogy:
https://www.theonering.com/complete-...-film-changes/

Your couple sentences is pretty weak.

[Makabreska]

The squishing of thousands of years into only a few years, the changing of Galadrials characters (who also during this age has a daugher, kind of important since she is Arwens mother), the cutting of important characters to the story (Celeborn/Cirdan the shipwright are who?), the addition of 5 new characters in a story already crammed full of characters, adding a race (harfoots) that wasn't around yet and wouldn't be till the next age.

Might want to update your notes, because that is a lot of things to flub already, and considering how Amazon has handled other adaptations it doesn't inspire confidence.

Well, talking from the neutral (and barely interested) point of view, the only complaints and things talked about I see are those regarding skin colour and such. AKA "awmagad LotR went woke". That's like the only hate fuel I see around. Literally first comments under posters (those with hands) were "hmmm, suspicious skin colour".

[bledgor]

lol... Along with the "it's just fan-fiction!!!" nonsense, calling things that happen in literally every adaptations "flubs" has to be up their with the most out-of-touch takes imaginable.

...lol, didnt realize every adaptation has Galadrial, Harfoots, etc. If the term flub offends you, maybe I should say fucked up, Amazon had fucked up a lot of things already considering they have given us only a few interviews and 2 minute long teasers. That is worrying.

If you are talking changes happening in every adaptation yes, there are changes, people know this. However there are varying degrees of changes that people allow, and the changes in Rings of Power are quite large, larger than some people are willing to allow in an adaptation (again don't adapt if you want to make a ton of changes, create, people are free to do so).

Well, talking from the neutral (and barely interested) point of view, the only complaints and things talked about I see are those regarding skin colour and such. AKA "awmagad LotR went woke". That's like the only hate fuel I see around. Literally first comments under posters (those with hands) were "hmmm, suspicious skin colour".

I mean maybe the most vocal, but I certainly have seen a lot of complaints about the things I have posted too, I certainly wasn't the first to point out the issues i listed either. Again not saying you have to be a 100% purist, but come on at least try to get close.

[Rennadrel]

People should just have zero expectations. I don't at all expect this to be good, I expect the story to be garbage because no one can do Tolkien faithfully at any level.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I can understand how someone can watch a trailer for something like this and be like "No, that's not for me."

What I do not understand is all the energy some people will spend hating on something that hasn't even been released yet.

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People should just have zero expectations. I don't at all expect this to be good, I expect the story to be garbage because no one can do Tolkien faithfully at any level.

It's pretty funny that you tell other people they shouldn't have expectations...and then immediately list your own expectations.

[Khaza-R]

Well, talking from the neutral (and barely interested) point of view, the only complaints and things talked about I see are those regarding skin colour and such. AKA "awmagad LotR went woke". That's like the only hate fuel I see around. Literally first comments under posters (those with hands) were "hmmm, suspicious skin colour".

Unfortunately those types tend to be the loudest people. Really across all mediums. I mean you can see it in WoW even.

Which in a way is sad because there are some very legitimate criticisms out there. Not just focusing on negativity but genuinely concerned because they want to enjoy the final product and for it to be better. But then there are those who lump the two together and just dismiss everything.

[Sanguinerd]

I can understand how someone can watch a trailer for something like this and be like "No, that's not for me."

What I do not understand is all the energy some people will spend hating on something that hasn't even been released yet

Same, but that goes for the people defending as well.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Same, but that goes for the people defending as well.

Most of the people I've seen "defending" are more like "wait until it comes out before you make up your mind" or "If you don't like it...just don't watch it". It's not really comparable.

[Super Kami Dende]

I can understand how someone can watch a trailer for something like this and be like "No, that's not for me."

What I do not understand is all the energy some people will spend hating on something that hasn't even been released yet.

It's almost as if People hate when a Franchise they enjoy has something new released that looks like garbage. Shocking right?

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

It's almost as if People hate when a Franchise they enjoy has something new released that looks like garbage. Shocking right?

Like I said, I can understand why people would not want to watch it. It's the amount of energy they put into hating it before the product has even been released that I question.