Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Adamas102]

It’s pretty telling that you’re unable to provide any examples of such ruined franchises. Again, unless you’re making up your own definition, there are absolutely no negatives to “wokeness”.

And hey, if it was ever I doubt that you didn’t know what you were talking about we have this quote right here:

…gender politics and racial diversity set in a universe created with none of those things in mind.

A universe without racial diversity in mind? Tell me you don’t know jack shit about Tolkien’s writings without telling me you don’t know jack shit about Tolkien’s writings. A world filled with various sorts of humans, elves, dwarves, hobbits, gnomes, and other beings isn’t “racially diverse”? Really? Ooooh yeah, what you meant was “certain skin colors don’t belong in this fantasy world filled with such abundance of racial diversity”. You still wondering who I’m referring to when I say “ignorant and narrow-minded”?

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “gender politics” since it’s pretty much a meaningless term tossed about by guys who feel threatened by women not sticking to their traditional gender roles. That being said, I guess you’ve conveniently forgotten about the character of Eowyn whose narrative centers around opposing gender norms.

You claim you grew up with these stories but apparently you don’t know a thing about them. A universe without gender politics or racial diversity in mind? Fuck off and maybe go read the books again…

[rogoth]

I mean, you're just straight up lying when you say that everyone you know that has watched the movies has also read all the books.

actually, no i'm not, because everybody i went through school with read the books as part of the curriculum, alongside that the films released a few years into my secondary school years, meaning that alongside HAVING to read the books, they also saw the films as they were the biggest blockbuster movies of that time period, and in my year group alone that's 230 students, everybody who i know who is older than me has read the books, as the PJ trilogy didn't exist at that point so no, i wasn't 'lying' and to even try to use that as a comeback makes you look even more desperate than you already were previously.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

actually, no i'm not, because everybody i went through school with read the books as part of the curriculum, alongside that the films released a few years into my secondary school years, meaning that alongside HAVING to read the books, they also saw the films as they were the biggest blockbuster movies of that time period, and in my year group alone that's 230 students, everybody who i know who is older than me has read the books, as the PJ trilogy didn't exist at that point so no, i wasn't 'lying' and to even try to use that as a comeback makes you look even more desperate than you already were previously.

You're not convincing annyone with this story.

"Everyone older than me read the books"

It's a bold faced fucking lie.

[rogoth]

It’s pretty telling that you’re unable to provide any examples of such ruined franchises. Again, unless you’re making up your own definition, there are absolutely no negatives to “wokeness”.

And hey, if it was ever I doubt that you didn’t know what you were talking about we have this quote right here:



A universe without racial diversity in mind? Tell me you don’t know jack shit about Tolkien’s writings without telling me you don’t know jack shit about Tolkien’s writings. A world filled with various sorts of humans, elves, dwarves, hobbits, gnomes, and other beings isn’t “racially diverse”? Really? Ooooh yeah, what you meant was “certain skin colors don’t belong in this fantasy world filled with such abundance of racial diversity”. You still wondering who I’m referring to when I say “ignorant and narrow-minded”?

You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “gender politics” since it’s pretty much a meaningless term tossed about by guys who feel threatened by women not sticking to their traditional gender roles. That being said, I guess you’ve conveniently forgotten about the character of Eowyn whose narrative centers around opposing gender norms.

You claim you grew up with these stories but apparently you don’t know a thing about them. A universe without gender politics or racial diversity in mind? Fuck off and maybe go read the books again…

oh, you want to be a pedantic fuck now?, ok then lets dance, since you seem incapable of distinguishing context, i used the terms i did in DIRECT RELATION to this steaming pile of shit they call 'the rings of power', 'gender politics' is having Galadriel become warrior goddess of middle earth because all of her established lore and story means nothing am i right?, i said 'racial diversity' with regards to the absolutely fucking moronic casting involved in the show with absolutely no basis in the overarching themes created by Tolkein for those fictional races he created, it has nothing to do with the utter moronic strawman arguement you're trying to peddle but nice try.

and since it's clear you're mentally indoctrinated into the woke brigade, here's a few examples of 'wokeness' that have ruined a franchise or straight up killed the potential for one to exist to begin with:

captain marvel
men in black: international
charlies angels 2019 reboot
ghostbusters 2016 reboot
star wars 'fuck you' trilogy
terminator dark fate (this has almost single handedly killed the terminator franchise from ever getting another movie release)
harley quinn: birds of prey
batwoman TV series
the 355
west side story 2021

this is just a 'small' list of shows/movies/projects that have failed both commercially and critically due to the stereotypical 'woke' hallmarks of pushing gender politics where it doesn't exit, adding racial diversity when it's not there, among other stereotypes based on the projects as a whole.

so mr pedantic fuck, wanna keep going or is this enough for you?

if you feel so inclined in future to make an ass of yourself, try and at least make it interesting.

[ClassicPeon]

Your hoping that blizzard will remove black people and fighting women from wow then? Or is there some other “woke fiasco” on display in the little material we’ve seen so far?

You can be offended and misquote me as much as you want - it doesnt change the fact that wokeness does not have any mass appeal. It appeals to a very outspoken minority though.

I'm not a racist - i dont care what skincolour my heroes have. I care when what skincolour my heroes have starts being ideological though. I know its tough to admit but you are the radicalized one.

[Nyel]

This TV show will be a dumpster fire. There's nothing Tolkien about what we've seen yet, absolutely nothing. If you've changed the names of places and characters nobody would even recognize that this is going to be a show set in Middle-earth.

[ClassicPeon]

lol... Sorry buddy, I don't think studios are going to stop casting brown people in their productions any time soon. You may have to get over it.

Exactly the same thing here. Misquoting me to try and represent me as a basic racist. Its probably one of the lowest retorts people can have today because they think its some sort of argument in it self.

"i called him a racist - i win by moral superiority".

Its a very childlike way of discussing things - especially when you are so blatantly misquoting me. If you want to have an actua ldiscussion you have to come up to my level and actually argue for your reasoning.

[rogoth]

You're not convincing annyone with this story.

"Everyone older than me read the books"

It's a bold faced fucking lie.

my parents have read the books, my aunt and uncle have read them, my cousins have read them, as stated everybody in my year group has read them, everyone i know in my personal life who i either consider family or friend has read the books in their entirety, how is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?, in what way is that unclear to you, are you conflating what i said with what you have said and merged the 2 things into 1?, i stated quite clearly and on multiple occasions now that everybody i know has read them, yet you still seem incapable of understanding this statement, so help yourself out here and stop because you're just making yourself look stupid.

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Exactly the same thing here. Misquoting me to try and represent me as a basic racist. Its probably one of the lowest retorts people can have today because they think its some sort of argument in it self.

"i called him a racist - i win by moral superiority".

Its a very childlike way of discussing things - especially when you are so blatantly misquoting me. If you want to have an actual discussion you have to come up to my level and actually argue for your reasoning.

unfortunately that person and all others of their ilk only know these types of arguements because they have grown up with instagram/twitter/snapchat etc where any kind of long form communication is either frowned upon, or is outright restricted (twitter) by design, and as such they are incapable of forming cohesive sentences with well reasoned points and rely entirely on the knee-jerk 'ha gottem' tropes when talking online, or so it would seem to me anyway.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

my parents have read the books, my aunt and uncle have read them, my cousins have read them, as stated everybody in my year group has read them, everyone i know in my personal life who i either consider family or friend has read the books in their entirety, how is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?, in what way is that unclear to you, are you conflating what i said with what you have said and merged the 2 things into 1?, i stated quite clearly and on multiple occasions now that everybody i know has read them, yet you still seem incapable of understanding this statement, so help yourself out here and stop because you're just making yourself look stupid.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it more true.

[beanman12345]

Unless you’re making up your own definition of “wokeness”, it hasn’t caused the downfall of ANY franchises. That’s just the excuse of ignorant, narrow-minded people.

Pretty much. I'm not saying the show is gonna be any good, it might suck in many ways, but anyone who cries about "wokeness" or whatever in sci-fi or fantasy materials, I mean, you put it way nicer than I would have. It's just bigots too cowardly to admit their bigotry, and nothing else.

[kenn9530]

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My logic is sound of which yours is not, not everything is made into a book so there is plenty opertunities to make new stories in the same universe or adapt and change current stories available, if everything that was made from a book was made faithful we wouldnt have the amount of choice we have to do on stuff to watch, LOTRs could be made completely different where the ring was never destroyed, it would still be lord of the rings.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

And what makes you think that? I have no idea what was "disastrously bad" about any teasers they've released up to this point, but it's been clear for a while now that no one responding to this is interested in giving it a chance. It was basically doomed ever since the outrage merchants found out that they might be looking to hire someone whose job description involved dealing with nudity.

It's an opinion bro. If you enjoyed them great. Get over people thinking they were trash.

My god some people are way to up tight about these things. LOL

[ClassicPeon]

Pretty much. I'm not saying the show is gonna be any good, it might suck in many ways, but anyone who cries about "wokeness" or whatever in sci-fi or fantasy materials, I mean, you put it way nicer than I would have. It's just bigots too cowardly to admit their bigotry, and nothing else.

Once again we have the same problem with the same logic.

"I dont need to make up any arguments because ->I<- THINK i have the moral superiority and per default that makes me win. Nevermind me actually having to argue HOW i have that superiority - simply throwing insults like racist and bigots around to anyone who doesnt share my opinion is enough"

The only way this type of argument work is if other people asume this is correct. As in we no longer discuss with argumentations we discuss with presumed moral superiority as an argument in itself.

This means society as a whole just cant evolve anymore. We found the absolute peak of moral. Besides being an actual sociopath i dont see how that logic holds up in any way.

[Nerovar]

It seems fitting that this show is going to air on the anniversary of Tolkien's death since they've decided to drop a steaming pile of shit on this man's grave.

[Xath]

You're not convincing annyone with this story.

"Everyone older than me read the books"

It's a bold faced fucking lie.

I'm confused are you actually trying to argue that people didn't read lotr? I don't agree with a bunch of that dude's posts but pretty much everyone I know who watched all 3 movies read the books either before or after.

[beanman12345]

Once again we have the same problem with the same logic.

"I dont need to make up any arguments because ->I<- THINK i have the moral superiority and per default that makes me win. Nevermind me actually having to argue HOW i have that superiority - simply throwing insults like racist and bigots around to anyone who doesnt share my opinion is enough"

The only way this type of argument work is if other people asume this is correct. As in we no longer discuss with argumentations we discuss with presumed moral superiority as an argument in itself.

This means society as a whole just cant evolve anymore. We found the absolute peak of moral. Besides being an actual sociopath i dont see how that logic holds up in any way.

Maybe check out a dictionary, instead of getting mad at using words in the context of being a bigot?

[ClassicPeon]

Ghostbusters 2016 was so woke, and so damaging to the franchise that it totally didn't get a new movie recently Curious how some others in that list are "woke," though. MIB because it starred a women this time? Is that it?

Seriously, anyone going on about the "woke agenda" should just be ignored for the clowns they are.

I love the idea of a "woke brigade," at least. Sounds amazing.

Once again i feel the need to point out faulty logic.

Ghostbusters was rebooted after the failed 2016 movie. Hence why there where no throwbacks to the 2016 movie in the new franchise aswell as the use of the older actors instead of any of the actors from the 2016 movie. There are plenty of examples of this outside of this franchise - a good example could be batman and robin from 1997 with mr. freeze lol. Franchise was rebooted after that just the same as ghostbusters.

What people from the US mainly fail to see in these discussions is that the world isnt black and white. Being against wokeness doesnt mean i am a right wing ultra racist. In terms of US politics i would actually fall somewhere on the democratic side - although not extremist as wokeness is.

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Maybe check out a dictionary, instead of getting mad at using words in the context of being a bigot?

I'm not from a native English speaking country. I speak 4 languages fluently - how about you?

The funny thing here is that you are the one calling people names where as the only thing i am doing is arguing, yet you are accusing me of being "mad". Why dont you try to actually argue against the things i say instead of trying to attack me personally? I can asure you that i am well enough educated to be able to argue with a perfect English speaking american.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You can be offended and misquote me as much as you want - it doesnt change the fact that wokeness does not have any mass appeal. It appeals to a very outspoken minority though.

I'm not a racist - i dont care what skincolour my heroes have. I care when what skincolour my heroes have starts being ideological though. I know its tough to admit but you are the radicalized one.

Misquote you? I’m asking if you mean the only two “ woke fiasco” I’ve ever seen crop up or if there are others you have in mind, if you actually have others in mind it’s not hard to just list them instead of getting your nickers in a twist.

[Smallfruitbat]

At the end of the day, if you don't like the show really the best thing to do is just not watch it, cancel your prime account and by all means when they ask why, cite RoP as the cause. Anything beyond that hate watching, arguing on forums is just a form of self harm.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

here's a few examples of 'wokeness' that have ruined a franchise or straight up killed the potential for one to exist to begin with:

captain marvel
ghostbusters 2016 reboot
star wars 'fuck you' trilogy
terminator dark fate (this has almost single handedly killed the terminator franchise from ever getting another movie release)
harley quinn: birds of prey
batwoman TV series

this is just a 'small' list of shows/movies/projects that have failed both commercially and critically due to the stereotypical 'woke' hallmarks of pushing gender politics where it doesn't exit, adding racial diversity when it's not there, among other stereotypes based on the projects as a whole.

So just gonna address a few of theses.

Captain marvel obviously didn’t hurt the MCU at all.

Ghostbusters has already moved on with a new movie.

Starwars has more had more live action.content come out in the short hears after the trilogy the then compared to its it’s whole life time before it.

There is reportedly already a new terminator movie in the works.

The DCU and shows are chugging along fine not to mention the DCU hadn’t been doing great before either of those titles.

So while I can’t speak to the rest (is west side story even a franchise?) theses don’t actually support your idea of Wokness ruining/killing franchises nor did some of them even fail commercially like with captain marvel and the starwars trilogy.