Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[UnifiedDivide]

No that's your claim. You are the one attacking people for posting on the forums. My point is that you yourself are doing the action that you accuse others of. Also I don't believe you because nobody just posts yeah bro going back to pool now who actually has a pool. Like how pathetic would you have to be that you need to argue on the internet between dips in the pool not to mention the whole issue of water and phones.

Did I hurt the feelings of others and you needed to defend them or something? I'd like you to point out where I am doing exactly what I accused others of, which was complaining about a series that is still months away from airing instead of just moving the fuck on when you don't like what you see. Yes, I realise that this is something you enjoy doing (see: all the incessant crying over WoT), so I probably pressed a few of your buttons with the suggestions. Doubling down by continuing to do exactly that wasn't a good play from you, though.

Nobody that has a pool says they're going back to the pool? lol ok. Posting on this website takes seconds. I posted, what was it, 4 times in that one day where you said I was spending my entire day posting in the thread? This is weak argumentation. The idea was to point out that you could be doing other things, not whining on a gaming forum about something I'm sure you'll claim you won't watch. That, and it was hot AF yesterday. I'm British, we don't do hot weather lol

Jesus wept. Do you think I was literally sat in the pool with my phone in hand? It isn't attached to me, you know. I have the ability to leave my phone somewhere dry, go enjoy the pool, get out, dry myself off, grab my phone and respond to the inane shite people like you post while also checking Discord and other things lol

I'll say it again, just for posterity's sake... Move. On.

And on that note, I shall be moving on from this inanity, too. Replies will fall on deaf ears. How about we just stick to the topic, for now?

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The Orcs of The Rings of Power Are Worse Than You've Ever Seen Them

[Koriani]

Unfortunately those types tend to be the loudest people. Really across all mediums. I mean you can see it in WoW even.

Which in a way is sad because there are some very legitimate criticisms out there. Not just focusing on negativity but genuinely concerned because they want to enjoy the final product and for it to be better. But then there are those who lump the two together and just dismiss everything.

But that's just it - there aren't really "legit" criticisms because there's nothing to watch that's "a legit episode" to give actual criticism about. Its just screen shots, trailer shorts, little few minute tidbits they've released to get the 'hype train' going. But because all of these 'teaser' bits can only really be about what things 'look like' (because that's all you're going to get in a bunch of trailers and screenshots heh) then the only REAL thing people can bitch about is all surface/appearance stuff.

So when everything people have to go on amounts to little to no dialogue and a bunch of pretty pictures - you can only get positive or negative feedback about PICTURES without any actual 'content' or even 'context'.

Making none of it "legit" outside of "I don't like how it (the scene/costumes/building/character) LOOKS." And/or "I don't like what XYZ claimed in an interview."

And people who know better than to assume they know 100% about something based on five minutes of screen shots and pretty colors - have the same opinion we've had our entire lives of watching movies and tv shows. (Because this never changed.) To wait until something actually gets released to find out what it REALLY is. Good or bad. Whether that's going to your favorite "reviewer" who now actually has SOMETHING to review (rather than 20 minute rants about screenshots - lol), or seeing who around you watches it/likes it/doesn't like it, or yeah - the final act - watching something oneself and deciding from there. (shocker! =D)

I mean I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes die-hard fan and back when CBS released their last "Sherlock Holmes" series and made him modern-day, with Watson a girl, I thought for sure I'd hate it. Not because its bad to flip the characters or that I'm sexist - but because I like my Sherlock "original". But I ended up giving the show a shot and ended up watching it for its entire run. I don't say its the best thing I ever watched or anything, but I certainly ended up entertained well enough for several years worth of tv watching. And didn't feel they "Butchered" a favorite character or "ruined" anything for me. So yeah, even if you think you might hate one adaptation or another - you might end up surprised if you give it a chance.

A lesson some denzien haters on the internet will never learn - because their mind gets made up over 3 screenshots and listening to 5 people bitch about nothing factual for months on end until release. That's how you sour a well. Oh well - it takes all types! =D

[Khaza-R]

But that's just it - there aren't really "legit" criticisms because there's nothing to watch that's "a legit episode" to give actual criticism about. Its just screen shots, trailer shorts, little few minute tidbits they've released to get the 'hype train' going. But because all of these 'teaser' bits can only really be about what things 'look like' (because that's all you're going to get in a bunch of trailers and screenshots heh) then the only REAL thing people can bitch about is all surface/appearance stuff.

So when everything people have to go on amounts to little to no dialogue and a bunch of pretty pictures - you can only get positive or negative feedback about PICTURES without any actual 'content' or even 'context'.

Making none of it "legit" outside of "I don't like how it (the scene/costumes/building/character) LOOKS." And/or "I don't like what XYZ claimed in an interview."

And people who know better than to assume they know 100% about something based on five minutes of screen shots and pretty colors - have the same opinion we've had our entire lives of watching movies and tv shows. (Because this never changed.) To wait until something actually gets released to find out what it REALLY is. Good or bad. Whether that's going to your favorite "reviewer" who now actually has SOMETHING to review (rather than 20 minute rants about screenshots - lol), or seeing who around you watches it/likes it/doesn't like it, or yeah - the final act - watching something oneself and deciding from there. (shocker! =D)

I mean I'm a huge Sherlock Holmes die-hard fan and back when CBS released their last "Sherlock Holmes" series and made him modern-day, with Watson a girl, I thought for sure I'd hate it. Not because its bad to flip the characters or that I'm sexist - but because I like my Sherlock "original". But I ended up giving the show a shot and ended up watching it for its entire run. I don't say its the best thing I ever watched or anything, but I certainly ended up entertained well enough for several years worth of tv watching. And didn't feel they "Butchered" a favorite character or "ruined" anything for me. So yeah, even if you think you might hate one adaptation or another - you might end up surprised if you give it a chance.

A lesson some denzien haters on the internet will never learn - because their mind gets made up over 3 screenshots and listening to 5 people bitch about nothing factual for months on end until release. That's how you sour a well. Oh well - it takes all types! =D

Have to disagree with most of your post. Art is subjective at the end of the day, so people are fully within their rights to dislike something they see based on a promo or based on seeing the entire series. We make quick decisions like this all the time in deciding what entertainment we want to consume or pass by.

The issue is you're assuming all criticism is based on nothing but a few screenshots but that isn't the case. At this point we have interviews from the film makers and from cast and crew. Some of the intention and direction is known at this point.

If someone raises concern over the altered timeline, that is entirely a valid criticism. And I say that because no piece of cinema has every been deemed good or bad based on trivial things like someone's costume or because of the physical appearance of an actor. Adaptations are deemed good or bad based where they decide to follow source material and where they decide to take creative liberties however.

[Triceron]

Let's not go too far. WoT sits at 62% audience score on RT which is close to Book of Boba Fett at 57%. I wouldn't consider either "successes".

Would you consider any type of critic scores a way to define success at all? Be it critic or audience?

[Xath]

You've had several back and forths now talking about the popularity of the WoT Books vs the Series. You can have those arguments in the Wheel of Time thread.

This thread is about the LotR series, which isn't directly based on any of those books. Keep it to that.

And, to be clear, I'm making this statement to everyone involved on that needlessly derailing conversation...not just you.

This thread is about a beloved fantasy franchise being helmed by the same studio that was okay with rafe of time. Yes the most recent example of them taking death of the author to an extreme is absolutely relevant. I will talk about whatever I please especially when it's connected to the topic at hand feel free to put me on ignore if you don't like my discourse.

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It doesnt matter how many series a show gets or how many films something gets, also books are a fraction of the viewerbase so you dont need to lie because you have been proven wrong time and time again, LOTR series will also not rely on fans of the book either and it will still be a good series regardless of any and all possible changes required, Wheel of Time book fanbase is a few million, not tens of millions like have already watched the series.

Citations dearly needed considering we know viewership went down from the start and at the start it was around 9 mil an episode that doesn't equate to 10s of millions in any universe.

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Difference between Wheel of Time and Rings of Power is that the first was a clearly established story in the books (which got Rap[h]ed in the series, pun intended) and that the second is just outlines of events during the Second Age of Middle Earth. That means that every liberty the show producers take with the stories could be considered as warranted, since there is already an almost white canvas.

As i said before, i don't agree with the artistic interpretations and liberties the producers seem to have taken with the characters and races, but i'll wait to watch the show before i formulate any opinion. I do hope the show is good and my only complain will be the one mentioned above. Something WoT didn't succeed, because it was just ok, trending to mediocre.

It's less blank than you think. LoTR's world is incredibly fleshed out as people would know if they read outside just the main 3 and the Hobbit they are also straying into stuff that will directly connect to to the main three books over time rather than focusing on part of the world that hasn't had much fleshing out.

[kenn9530]

Citations dearly needed considering we know viewership went down from the start and at the start it was around 9 mil an episode that doesn't equate to 10s of millions in any universe.

There was an average of 10 million min per episode for the first 3 of the series, its been a long time since then so numbers are far higher that have watched the show by now, not everyone watches a show day 1 its released, many wait till a show is fully released before watching it. You have been proven wrong yet again that the tv series has more viewers than the book series has readers.

The same is going to be true for just about any series, book readers are rare especially when you compare to tv/movie audiences because more ppl want something to watch rather than read, its also very wrong to insult a tv series before it has even released which is what many are doing.

[Hansworst]

This isn't the WoT discussion thread. Keep those boring back-and-forths in that thread.

[Xath]

There was an average of 10 million min per episode for the first 3 of the series, its been a long time since then so numbers are far higher that have watched the show by now, not everyone watches a show day 1 its released, many wait till a show is fully released before watching it. You have been proven wrong yet again that the tv series has more viewers than the book series has readers.

The same is going to be true for just about any series, book readers are rare especially when you compare to tv/movie audiences because more ppl want something to watch rather than read, its also very wrong to insult a tv series before it has even released which is what many are doing.

This is basic math it was less than 9 mil viewers an episode and it dropped hard. There is a reason basically the instant the series was done it stopped being promoted on the prime video front page.

Now stop making me despair for the future of a humanity that can't do basic division. The Books sold 44 million copies many of those to libraries I should know I read the entire first half of the series via the school library before I was buying my own books.

Back on topic the worries I have about this series are largely based off interviews not stills. It feels like they might try to humanize orcs given some of the answers which goes against the entire idea of them being corrupted beings. Orcs are arguably the greatest of Morgoth's sins and if the showrunners don't get that it will be a problem.

[UnifiedDivide]

Folks can bitch and moan, as they will, but I'm actually more interested in seeing this now.

[Iain]

This is basic math it was less than 9 mil viewers an episode and it dropped hard. There is a reason basically the instant the series was done it stopped being promoted on the prime video front page.

The Wheel of Time fans I heard weren't disappointed with the faithfulness of the show but rather the production value and acting. Makes me think we really lucked out with Game of Thrones as the acting and production values were as good as it could get. Makes me quite excited for the new GoT series.

[VinceVega]

Folks can bitch and moan, as they will, but I'm actually more interested in seeing this now.

yeah this trailer looks amazing...

but sadly it is over. An internet mob will downvote the shit out of the show on every platform and will make sure everyone who doesn't follow this thinks the show is the worst thing since hitler... because of a beard... and a black dude

[Greyfang]

Folks can bitch and moan, as they will, but I'm actually more interested in seeing this now.

Yeah this looks awesome. No way it looks cheap. I didn't expect so many flashbacks to the 1st Age, but it looks like we're getting a lot of stuff covered, even if its just in prologue/flashbacks.

[UnifiedDivide]

yeah this trailer looks amazing...

but sadly it is over. An internet mob will downvote the shit out of the show on every platform and will make sure everyone who doesn't follow this thinks the show is the worst thing since hitler... because of a beard... and a black dude

Fuck the miserable little bores with no lives. Including the ones that will live in this thread. Most of them will watch it anyway, just so they can bleat even more about how awful it is. And some will just take the negative opinions of others and consider that gospel lol

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Yeah this looks awesome. No way it looks cheap.

What was it they spent, like $30m per episode?

[kenn9530]

This is basic math it was less than 9 mil viewers an episode and it dropped hard. There is a reason basically the instant the series was done it stopped being promoted on the prime video front page.

Now stop making me despair for the future of a humanity that can't do basic division. The Books sold 44 million copies many of those to libraries I should know I read the entire first half of the series via the school library before I was buying my own books.

Back on topic the worries I have about this series are largely based off interviews not stills. It feels like they might try to humanize orcs given some of the answers which goes against the entire idea of them being corrupted beings. Orcs are arguably the greatest of Morgoth's sins and if the showrunners don't get that it will be a problem.

You lack all basic common sense, you do know there are millions of ppl that wait to watch something until the whole series is available, the early numbers are but a fraction of who actually watches the show. You fail at basic math and the ability to understand there are millions of ppl more that will still watch most tv series.

You have failed yet again to provide a valid point.

[Shadowferal]

...not impressed.

[qwikz]

Fuck the miserable little bores with no lives

Funny, that's what I usually think when I see people with tens of thousands of posts on MMO champ

[Myradin]

CGI looks great, though does give me The Hobbit vibes.

The costumes and practical elements look less so.

[UnifiedDivide]

...not impressed.

Who would expect otherwise lol

Funny, that's what I usually think when I see people with tens of thousands of posts on MMO champ

This is always a puzzlingly weak attack, no matter when I see it. Its takes seconds to post. Nearly 15000 times over... what, 11 years? Its nothing lol If you felt offended by such a comment, at least find better, actually useful, insults.

You could also actually try comment on the topic of the thread, strange as that may seem.

[qwikz]

Who would expect otherwise lol


This is always a puzzlingly weak attack, no matter when I see it. Its takes seconds to post. Nearly 15000 times over... what, 11 years? Its nothing lol If you felt offended by such a comment, at least find better, actually useful, insults.

You could also actually try comment on the topic of the thread, strange as that may seem.

For such a weak attack you sure did take it personally and felt the need to explain yourself, please accept my sincerest apologies.

My ontopic take is shows by Amazon are garbage and this is no different.

[UnifiedDivide]

For such a weak attack you sure did take it personally and felt the need to explain yourself, please accept my sincerest apologies.

Nah, I explained exactly why it was such a weak attack, because it literally doesn't work as an attack lol But I know you need to try and come off as though you got some "win" or whatever.

My ontopic take is shows by Amazon are garbage and this is no different.

Ah, strictly closeminded. That's certainly one way to go.