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[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Your hoping that blizzard will remove black people and fighting women from wow then?"

Thats a direct misquote - i never said that.

There is plenty of woke fiasco's. If you want to put on blindfolds and ignroe that then its fine - but its not my job to find them for you. You can simply google it if you want.

No that’s a question as indicated by the question mark at the end and it not being in quotations.

But if you can’t even list any other “woke fiasco“ you had in mind when you brought it up I do think that’s quite telling.

[beanman12345]

What anger are you refering to?

What direct quotes are you refering to people using where i have said they misquoted me?

When you use quotation marks you are meant to actually directly take someones quote btw. I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco.

My only hope is that if LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco that its looking like it might, that Blizzard takes a good long look at what it does to a popular franchise. Pandering to a misguided extremist minority is honestly completely insane.

Just explain the bolded.

[Groll]

and since it's clear you're mentally indoctrinated into the woke brigade, here's a few examples of 'wokeness' that have ruined a franchise or straight up killed the potential for one to exist to begin with:

captain marvel
men in black: international
charlies angels 2019 reboot
ghostbusters 2016 reboot
star wars 'fuck you' trilogy
terminator dark fate (this has almost single handedly killed the terminator franchise from ever getting another movie release)
harley quinn: birds of prey
batwoman TV series
the 355
west side story 2021

this is just a 'small' list of shows/movies/projects that have failed both commercially and critically due to the stereotypical 'woke' hallmarks of pushing gender politics where it doesn't exit, adding racial diversity when it's not there, among other stereotypes based on the projects as a whole.

so mr pedantic fuck, wanna keep going or is this enough for you?

if you feel so inclined in future to make an ass of yourself, try and at least make it interesting.

Imagine writing this and thinking this is a checkmate
"Gender politics where it dosen't exist"? Because they choose a woman to be the lead character of the new star wars triology? I have quite a lot of problem with those movies, none of it has to do with wokeness. A movie is not automaticaly bad or good even if it deals or reacts to racisism or inequality. And ruined how? The new trilogy was an impressive commerical success. Failed critically? What is your measurement for that? You can dislike them sure but that is not what you are arguing.

[ClassicPeon]

No that’s a question as indicated by the question mark at the end and it not being in quotations.

But if you can’t even list any other “woke fiasco“ you had in mind when you brought it up I do think that’s quite telling.

Ah so its just a question you made up completely with no relevance to my post then? :P

So are you saying you got beans for breakfast then? :P

I can list plenty and other people have even done it in this thread - you can go back 1-3 pages to look at it. What are you trying to accomplish?

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Just explain the bolded.

"I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco."

"My only hope is that ->if<- LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco"

What exactly are you not understanding?

[beanman12345]

Ah so its just a question you made up completely with no relevance to my post then? :P

So are you saying you got beans for breakfast then? :P

I can list plenty and other people have even done it in this thread - you can go back 1-3 pages to look at it. What are you trying to accomplish?

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"I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco."

"My only hope is that ->if<- LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco"

What exactly are you not understanding?

What do you mean by "woke fiasco"? Can you describe what a "woke fiasco" is in your own words.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ah so its just a question you made up completely with no relevance to my post then? :P

No relevance to your post? It’s a direct question In response to this.

My only hope is that if LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco that its looking like it might

If your problem isn’t with the black characters and fighting woman what other “woke fiasco” is it looking to be?

[ClassicPeon]

What do you mean by "woke fiasco"? Can you describe what a "woke fiasco" is in your own words.

Why are you changing the subject now? :P

A woke fiasco could be an example of a movie reboot with only females and female empowering jokes that completely falls flat because thats not actually funny and because its not actually empowering either.

GB 2016 as an example.

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No relevance to your post? It’s a direct question In response to this.


If your problem isn’t with the black characters and fighting woman what other “woke fiasco” is it looking to be?

I think you will find that your preemptive idea that people who are against wokeness are genuinely racists and bigots is the main issue here.

I have nothing against females protagonists nor do i have anything against people of different ethnicities.

The problem is when ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation becomes a main focus of a movie and a political device. Its forced and its just annoying for those of us who are completely neutral on these subjects.

A movie with a black women as a lead isnt a woke movie. A movie with a black women as a lead that focuses on the lead being black because of diversity is a woke movie.

There is a major difference.

Its like the whole "the force is female" thing. Like why? Why do you need to take something that people love and have loved for a long time and start making it for a specific group? Why does it have to suddenly be targettet towards a specific group just because that group happens to me in the minority of the fanbase? Have women not been allowed to watch star wars in the west? Do they pay more to enter the movies??

That is the issue-.

[beanman12345]

Why are you changing the subject now? :P

A woke fiasco could be an example of a movie reboot with only females and female empowering jokes that completely falls flat because thats not actually funny and because its not actually empowering either.

GB 2016 as an example.

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I think you will find that your preemptive idea that people who are against wokeness are genuinely racists and bigots is the main issue here.

I have nothing against females protagonists nor do i have anything against people of different ethnicities.

The problem is when ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation becomes a main focus of a movie and a political device. Its forced and its just annoying for those of us who are completely neutral on these subjects.

A movie with a black women as a lead isnt a woke movie. A movie with a black women as a lead that focuses on the lead being black because of diversity is a woke movie.

There is a major difference.

Its like the whole "the force is female" thing. Like why? Why do you need to take something that people love and have loved for a long time and start making it for a specific group? Why does it have to suddenly be targettet towards a specific group just because that group happens to me in the minority of the fanbase? Have women not been allowed to watch star wars in the west? Do they pay more to enter the movies??

That is the issue-.

So I stand by my original post, and now with second hand embarrassment. Have a day.

[ClassicPeon]

So I stand by my original post, and now with second hand embarrassment. Have a day.

You havent made a single argument - you have moved goalposts in every single one of your psots and i have proven you wrong a bunch of times where as after that you chose to simply redirect the discusssion. Its fine if you simply do not know enough about the subject to argue it - but i find it a bit tiresome how you keep throwing one liners and acting like you won something when in fact you havent even argued anything once.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think you will find that your preemptive idea that people who are against wokeness are genuinely racists and bigots is the main issue here.

I have nothing against females protagonists nor do i have anything against people of different ethnicities.

The problem is when ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation becomes a main focus of a movie and a political device. Its forced and its just annoying for those of us who are completely neutral on these subjects.

A movie with a black women as a lead isnt a woke movie. A movie with a black women as a lead that focuses on the lead being black because of diversity is a woke movie.

There is a major difference.

. So just to be clear, your problem isn’t that there are black people or fighting woman, it’s that the less then 10min of footage and a couple of posters make you think them being black and woman will be the main focus of the show and a political device?

Its like the whole "the force is female" thing. Like why? Why do you need to take something that people love and have loved for a long time and start making it for a specific group? Why does it have to suddenly be targettet towards a specific group just because that group happens to me in the minority of the fanbase? Have women not been allowed to watch star wars in the west? Do they pay more to enter the movies??

That is the issue-.

also the force is female thing never had any thing to do with starwars targeting a specific group it never had any thing to do with starwars at all it was a Nike campaign not a starwars lucasfilm or even Disney one.

[ClassicPeon]

The light side of the Force is quite literally embodied as a woman.


This is just you not understanding the general issue, that's all. There is more of a focus on certain peoples specifically because only one has enjoyed overwhelming representation for a very long time.

Thats exactly what i said - yes - ?

"This is just you not understanding the general issue, that's all. There is more of a focus on certain peoples specifically because only one has enjoyed overwhelming representation for a very long time."

Most people who live in the western world are white. Most people who watch movies are white males. Most people who are educated actors are white.

Its a basic demographic thing.

[beanman12345]

You havent made a single argument - you have moved goalposts in every single one of your psots and i have proven you wrong a bunch of times where as after that you chose to simply redirect the discusssion. Its fine if you simply do not know enough about the subject to argue it - but i find it a bit tiresome how you keep throwing one liners and acting like you won something when in fact you havent even argued anything once.

Sure thing guy.

[ClassicPeon]

. So just to be clear, your problem isn’t that there are black people or fighting woman, it’s that the less then 10min of footage and a couple of posters make you think them being black and woman will be the main focus of the show and a political device?

also the force is female thing never had any thing to do with starwars targeting a specific group it never had any thing to do with starwars at all it was a Nike campaign not a starwars lucasfilm or even Disney one.

Again you somehow seem to be forgetting things and misquoting me. I havent said the new lotr WILL be woke. But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that.

The force is female is a kathleen kennedy quote so idk what you are on about

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again you somehow seem to be forgetting things and misquoting me. I havent said the new lotr WILL be woke. But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that.

asking a question for clarification isn’t misquoting you.

So far you have said it’s loooking like it might be a woke fiasco, and when asked what makes you think that you gave the explanation in your last post, so I’m asking if what you laid out in your last post is what you think is happening with LoTR and what you were originally pointing towards in your first post.

The force is female is a kathleen kennedy quote so idk what you are on about

yes it’s a quote from her at a film festival where she was advertising Nikes Air Force one shoe line with alot of other woman in film, it never had any thing to do with starwars.

[Nurasu]

The original Star Trek was the wokest fucking show in history and is still going strong today with series and movies. Get the fuck over yourselves, or you'll end up looking as bad as the people complaining about interracial romance or black people on screen back then.

[ClassicPeon]

I was just going to say you're wrong, then you edited to add the rest and I see this is just a pointless discussion.

Let's not make this thread about yet another franchise people like to bitch and moan about for page after page...

OT: LotR! Woooo!

This discussion gatekeeping is getting kind of funny ngl. You guys poke a little and then you act like it wrote something so horrible that you just "cant even...".

Its so odd to me not being able to actually argue your case against someone you disagree with without malding completely out.

"You are wrong, i am right, but i dont wanna argue about it so just give up please"

Like what in the world is this lol. When did this get to be anything other then completely ridiculous lol

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asking a question for clarification isn’t misquoting you.

So far you have said it’s loooking like it might be a woke fiasco, and when asked what makes you think that you gave the explanation in your last post, so I’m asking if what you laid out in your last post is what you think is happening with LoTR and what you were originally pointing towards in your first post.

yes it’s a quote from her at a film festival where she was advertising Nikes Air Force one shoe line with alot of other woman in film, it never had any thing to do with starwars.

You presumed i had a problem - you wrote that yourself - which would be a misquote because you thought i said lotr WILL be woke.

Any kathleen kennedy quote about star wars has everything to do with star wars. Trying to deny that is just laughable.

And i answered your question - "But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that."

[ClassicPeon]

The original Star Trek was the wokest fucking show in history and is still going strong today with series and movies. Get the fuck over yourselves, or you'll end up looking as bad as the people complaining about interracial romance or black people on screen back then.

You mean star trek NG right? Thats actually a really good example of a show that is diverse without being woke. It never pandered to women or men. It actually celebrated the differences between the genders.

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Nah, dude, I just recognise this discussion for what it is; pointless. I could argue it all day, but, as I said, it's pointless.

Again, as soon as people started saying "woke" or "agenda," it was time to bail from a fruitless discussion. It's just a catchall for things you don't agree with, like seeing brown people represented on your screen when you consider them not enough of a demographic.

But you didnt - you willingly entered it. And also just to clarify - woke is a term coined by woke people. Its not derogatory or anything to that sort.

If the discussion seems fruitless on your half thats perfectly fine, you can quit it anytime you want. But when you exit it with a sentence like: "I was just going to say you're wrong, then you edited to add the rest and I see this is just a pointless discussion." you cant expect me to ignore it. A pointless discussion can be many things but when you preface it with "you are wrong" then it narrows it down significantly. Its no longer just an "i dont really want to discuss this anymore" its a "i am right, you are wrong, but you dont get it" and then exit - which is sort of rude since i've argued against anyone who wrote at me without being rude or derogatory.

[Nurasu]

You mean star trek NG right? Thats actually a really good example of a show that is diverse without being woke. It never pandered to women or men. It actually celebrated the differences between the genders.

You realize that's hindsight right? You realize it pandered to women by allowing them good roles, right? You realize it pandered to black people by allowing them on the screen, right? You realize what your arguments against 'wokeism' will look like in 50 years, right?

[ClassicPeon]

You realize that's hindsight right? You realize it pandered to women by allowing them good roles, right? You realize it pandered to black people by allowing them on the screen, right? You realize what your arguments against 'wokeism' will look like in 50 years, right?

You brought it up - not me - so talking about hindsight is sort of odd?

No - i dont think it pandered to them at all. I dont think any of it was unreasonable. It started in 87 so its not like it was breaking any grounds - but it certainly helped mainstream some things. But calling it woke is just not the right word to use in this context. It didnt specifically target people because of diversity. It didnt try to put itself on a pedestal of morality because of it.

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What NG did that was so great imo was that it discussed a lot of moral dilemmas without forcing a specific ideology on to people. It was actually insanely good as general education.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

You presumed i had a problem - you wrote that yourself - which would be a misquote because you thought i said lotr WILL be woke.

I didn’t presume you had a problem, in your own post you said.

My only hope is that if LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco that its looking like it might,

All I’m doing is trying to figure out what woke fiasco you think it might be based off of what we have seen so far.

You say it’s not black people and fighting woman but the only other explanation you had given is about a focus on them being black and women and being used a political device and when I ask if that’s what you meant in your original post you say no.

Any kathleen kennedy quote about star wars has everything to do with star wars. Trying to deny that is just laughable.

it was never a quote about starwars, “The force is female” is a quote from Nike about there shoes it has no ties to starwars, KK was advertising Nike as they were sponsoring the film festival she was invited to speak at.

“The force” in this context is the Air Force 1 shoe lines nothing else.

And i answered your question - "But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that."

sure you can say the super fans trailer is all you meant when you said it was looking like it might be a woke fiasco.