Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[beanman12345]

Once again i feel the need to point out faulty logic.

Ghostbusters was rebooted after the failed 2016 movie. Hence why there where no throwbacks to the 2016 movie in the new franchise aswell as the use of the older actors instead of any of the actors from the 2016 movie. There are plenty of examples of this outside of this franchise - a good example could be batman and robin from 1997 with mr. freeze lol. Franchise was rebooted after that just the same as ghostbusters.

What people from the US mainly fail to see in these discussions is that the world isnt black and white. Being against wokeness doesnt mean i am a right wing ultra racist. In terms of US politics i would actually fall somewhere on the democratic side - although not extremist as wokeness is.

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I'm not from a native English speaking country. I speak 4 languages fluently - how about you?

The funny thing here is that you are the one calling people names where as the only thing i am doing is arguing, yet you are accusing me of being "mad". Why dont you try to actually argue against the things i say instead of trying to attack me personally? I can asure you that i am well enough educated to be able to argue with a perfect English speaking american.

Do you actually have an arguement?

[ClassicPeon]

It's not faulty logic when the argument is that being "woke" killed a franchise. If it actually killed the franchise, there would be no reboot whatsoever in the first place. The entire thing would be dead and buried.

I'm also not from the US.

Yeah that might have been an overstatement on his part. I cant think of any franchise that outright got killed on the top of my head. That being said its undeniable that its doing damage to it - which is the essence i'm guessing.

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Do you actually have an arguement?

I have recited plenty of arguments for you and in my posts in general. You are simply trying to divert from the subject to not look bad now but it should be obvious to anyone. Do you ever engage in actual discussion or do you just post passive agressive posts without any actual context on this forum? Doing that 11.328 times is quite a feat i must admit.

[beanman12345]

Yeah that might have been an overstatement on his part. I cant think of any franchise that outright got killed on the top of my head. That being said its undeniable that its doing damage to it - which is the essence i'm guessing.

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I have recited plenty of arguments for you and in my posts in general. You are simply trying to divert from the subject to not look bad now but it should be obvious to anyone. Do you ever engage in actual discussion or do you just post passive agressive posts without any actual context on this forum? Doing that 11.328 times is quite a feat i must admit.

You've spouted a lot of anger, but not any arguments.

okay, I've seen you say people have misquoted you, even though they've used your direct quotes, just explain what you mean by you "wanting this to turn out to be a woke fiasco."

[ClassicPeon]

You've spouted a lot of anger, but not any arguments.

okay, I've seen you say people have misquoted you, even though they've used your direct quotes, just explain what you mean by you "wanting this to turn out to be a woke fiasco."

What anger are you refering to?

What direct quotes are you refering to people using where i have said they misquoted me?

When you use quotation marks you are meant to actually directly take someones quote btw. I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

"Your hoping that blizzard will remove black people and fighting women from wow then?"

Thats a direct misquote - i never said that.

There is plenty of woke fiasco's. If you want to put on blindfolds and ignroe that then its fine - but its not my job to find them for you. You can simply google it if you want.

No that’s a question as indicated by the question mark at the end and it not being in quotations.

But if you can’t even list any other “woke fiasco“ you had in mind when you brought it up I do think that’s quite telling.

[beanman12345]

What anger are you refering to?

What direct quotes are you refering to people using where i have said they misquoted me?

When you use quotation marks you are meant to actually directly take someones quote btw. I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco.

My only hope is that if LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco that its looking like it might, that Blizzard takes a good long look at what it does to a popular franchise. Pandering to a misguided extremist minority is honestly completely insane.

Just explain the bolded.

[Groll]

and since it's clear you're mentally indoctrinated into the woke brigade, here's a few examples of 'wokeness' that have ruined a franchise or straight up killed the potential for one to exist to begin with:

captain marvel
men in black: international
charlies angels 2019 reboot
ghostbusters 2016 reboot
star wars 'fuck you' trilogy
terminator dark fate (this has almost single handedly killed the terminator franchise from ever getting another movie release)
harley quinn: birds of prey
batwoman TV series
the 355
west side story 2021

this is just a 'small' list of shows/movies/projects that have failed both commercially and critically due to the stereotypical 'woke' hallmarks of pushing gender politics where it doesn't exit, adding racial diversity when it's not there, among other stereotypes based on the projects as a whole.

so mr pedantic fuck, wanna keep going or is this enough for you?

if you feel so inclined in future to make an ass of yourself, try and at least make it interesting.

Imagine writing this and thinking this is a checkmate
"Gender politics where it dosen't exist"? Because they choose a woman to be the lead character of the new star wars triology? I have quite a lot of problem with those movies, none of it has to do with wokeness. A movie is not automaticaly bad or good even if it deals or reacts to racisism or inequality. And ruined how? The new trilogy was an impressive commerical success. Failed critically? What is your measurement for that? You can dislike them sure but that is not what you are arguing.

[ClassicPeon]

No that’s a question as indicated by the question mark at the end and it not being in quotations.

But if you can’t even list any other “woke fiasco“ you had in mind when you brought it up I do think that’s quite telling.

Ah so its just a question you made up completely with no relevance to my post then? :P

So are you saying you got beans for breakfast then? :P

I can list plenty and other people have even done it in this thread - you can go back 1-3 pages to look at it. What are you trying to accomplish?

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Just explain the bolded.

"I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco."

"My only hope is that ->if<- LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco"

What exactly are you not understanding?

[beanman12345]

Ah so its just a question you made up completely with no relevance to my post then? :P

So are you saying you got beans for breakfast then? :P

I can list plenty and other people have even done it in this thread - you can go back 1-3 pages to look at it. What are you trying to accomplish?

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"I've never said i want it to turn out to be a woke fiasco."

"My only hope is that ->if<- LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco"

What exactly are you not understanding?

What do you mean by "woke fiasco"? Can you describe what a "woke fiasco" is in your own words.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Ah so its just a question you made up completely with no relevance to my post then? :P

No relevance to your post? It’s a direct question In response to this.

My only hope is that if LOTR turns out to be a the woke fiasco that its looking like it might

If your problem isn’t with the black characters and fighting woman what other “woke fiasco” is it looking to be?

[ClassicPeon]

What do you mean by "woke fiasco"? Can you describe what a "woke fiasco" is in your own words.

Why are you changing the subject now? :P

A woke fiasco could be an example of a movie reboot with only females and female empowering jokes that completely falls flat because thats not actually funny and because its not actually empowering either.

GB 2016 as an example.

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No relevance to your post? It’s a direct question In response to this.


If your problem isn’t with the black characters and fighting woman what other “woke fiasco” is it looking to be?

I think you will find that your preemptive idea that people who are against wokeness are genuinely racists and bigots is the main issue here.

I have nothing against females protagonists nor do i have anything against people of different ethnicities.

The problem is when ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation becomes a main focus of a movie and a political device. Its forced and its just annoying for those of us who are completely neutral on these subjects.

A movie with a black women as a lead isnt a woke movie. A movie with a black women as a lead that focuses on the lead being black because of diversity is a woke movie.

There is a major difference.

Its like the whole "the force is female" thing. Like why? Why do you need to take something that people love and have loved for a long time and start making it for a specific group? Why does it have to suddenly be targettet towards a specific group just because that group happens to me in the minority of the fanbase? Have women not been allowed to watch star wars in the west? Do they pay more to enter the movies??

That is the issue-.

[beanman12345]

Why are you changing the subject now? :P

A woke fiasco could be an example of a movie reboot with only females and female empowering jokes that completely falls flat because thats not actually funny and because its not actually empowering either.

GB 2016 as an example.

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I think you will find that your preemptive idea that people who are against wokeness are genuinely racists and bigots is the main issue here.

I have nothing against females protagonists nor do i have anything against people of different ethnicities.

The problem is when ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation becomes a main focus of a movie and a political device. Its forced and its just annoying for those of us who are completely neutral on these subjects.

A movie with a black women as a lead isnt a woke movie. A movie with a black women as a lead that focuses on the lead being black because of diversity is a woke movie.

There is a major difference.

Its like the whole "the force is female" thing. Like why? Why do you need to take something that people love and have loved for a long time and start making it for a specific group? Why does it have to suddenly be targettet towards a specific group just because that group happens to me in the minority of the fanbase? Have women not been allowed to watch star wars in the west? Do they pay more to enter the movies??

That is the issue-.

So I stand by my original post, and now with second hand embarrassment. Have a day.

[ClassicPeon]

So I stand by my original post, and now with second hand embarrassment. Have a day.

You havent made a single argument - you have moved goalposts in every single one of your psots and i have proven you wrong a bunch of times where as after that you chose to simply redirect the discusssion. Its fine if you simply do not know enough about the subject to argue it - but i find it a bit tiresome how you keep throwing one liners and acting like you won something when in fact you havent even argued anything once.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

I think you will find that your preemptive idea that people who are against wokeness are genuinely racists and bigots is the main issue here.

I have nothing against females protagonists nor do i have anything against people of different ethnicities.

The problem is when ethnicities, gender and sexual orientation becomes a main focus of a movie and a political device. Its forced and its just annoying for those of us who are completely neutral on these subjects.

A movie with a black women as a lead isnt a woke movie. A movie with a black women as a lead that focuses on the lead being black because of diversity is a woke movie.

There is a major difference.

. So just to be clear, your problem isn’t that there are black people or fighting woman, it’s that the less then 10min of footage and a couple of posters make you think them being black and woman will be the main focus of the show and a political device?

Its like the whole "the force is female" thing. Like why? Why do you need to take something that people love and have loved for a long time and start making it for a specific group? Why does it have to suddenly be targettet towards a specific group just because that group happens to me in the minority of the fanbase? Have women not been allowed to watch star wars in the west? Do they pay more to enter the movies??

That is the issue-.

also the force is female thing never had any thing to do with starwars targeting a specific group it never had any thing to do with starwars at all it was a Nike campaign not a starwars lucasfilm or even Disney one.

[ClassicPeon]

The light side of the Force is quite literally embodied as a woman.


This is just you not understanding the general issue, that's all. There is more of a focus on certain peoples specifically because only one has enjoyed overwhelming representation for a very long time.

Thats exactly what i said - yes - ?

"This is just you not understanding the general issue, that's all. There is more of a focus on certain peoples specifically because only one has enjoyed overwhelming representation for a very long time."

Most people who live in the western world are white. Most people who watch movies are white males. Most people who are educated actors are white.

Its a basic demographic thing.

[beanman12345]

You havent made a single argument - you have moved goalposts in every single one of your psots and i have proven you wrong a bunch of times where as after that you chose to simply redirect the discusssion. Its fine if you simply do not know enough about the subject to argue it - but i find it a bit tiresome how you keep throwing one liners and acting like you won something when in fact you havent even argued anything once.

Sure thing guy.

[ClassicPeon]

. So just to be clear, your problem isn’t that there are black people or fighting woman, it’s that the less then 10min of footage and a couple of posters make you think them being black and woman will be the main focus of the show and a political device?

also the force is female thing never had any thing to do with starwars targeting a specific group it never had any thing to do with starwars at all it was a Nike campaign not a starwars lucasfilm or even Disney one.

Again you somehow seem to be forgetting things and misquoting me. I havent said the new lotr WILL be woke. But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that.

The force is female is a kathleen kennedy quote so idk what you are on about

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Again you somehow seem to be forgetting things and misquoting me. I havent said the new lotr WILL be woke. But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that.

asking a question for clarification isn’t misquoting you.

So far you have said it’s loooking like it might be a woke fiasco, and when asked what makes you think that you gave the explanation in your last post, so I’m asking if what you laid out in your last post is what you think is happening with LoTR and what you were originally pointing towards in your first post.

The force is female is a kathleen kennedy quote so idk what you are on about

yes it’s a quote from her at a film festival where she was advertising Nikes Air Force one shoe line with alot of other woman in film, it never had any thing to do with starwars.

[Nurasu]

The original Star Trek was the wokest fucking show in history and is still going strong today with series and movies. Get the fuck over yourselves, or you'll end up looking as bad as the people complaining about interracial romance or black people on screen back then.

[ClassicPeon]

I was just going to say you're wrong, then you edited to add the rest and I see this is just a pointless discussion.

Let's not make this thread about yet another franchise people like to bitch and moan about for page after page...

OT: LotR! Woooo!

This discussion gatekeeping is getting kind of funny ngl. You guys poke a little and then you act like it wrote something so horrible that you just "cant even...".

Its so odd to me not being able to actually argue your case against someone you disagree with without malding completely out.

"You are wrong, i am right, but i dont wanna argue about it so just give up please"

Like what in the world is this lol. When did this get to be anything other then completely ridiculous lol

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asking a question for clarification isn’t misquoting you.

So far you have said it’s loooking like it might be a woke fiasco, and when asked what makes you think that you gave the explanation in your last post, so I’m asking if what you laid out in your last post is what you think is happening with LoTR and what you were originally pointing towards in your first post.

yes it’s a quote from her at a film festival where she was advertising Nikes Air Force one shoe line with alot of other woman in film, it never had any thing to do with starwars.

You presumed i had a problem - you wrote that yourself - which would be a misquote because you thought i said lotr WILL be woke.

Any kathleen kennedy quote about star wars has everything to do with star wars. Trying to deny that is just laughable.

And i answered your question - "But there are certainly indicators of it. The "super fans" trailer thingy was certainly very woke - cant really argue around that."