Actually, one group has made up their minds. The other group is "hey, saying it sucks before you've even seen a single episode is a little premature"
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I'll bet you that for every person you know that's read the Lord of the Rings I can find at least 50 that haven't but have seen the movies.
Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.
i'm genuinely curious, are there ever times in your life when you look at a product or service in your day to day, and think back to experiences you have had with similar things and judged the new thing as a result of past experiences?, because if not then you're literally the first person in human history to ever do this.
Based on past experience, and with the MANY examples of wokeness causing the downfall of franchises over the last 8-10 years now, it's not exactly hard to call out how badly this mess will perform regardless of how pretty and sparkly they try to dress it up as, a turd is a turd even if it's wrapped in gold, and blindly arguing with people to 'hey just wait and see, it might be good' is futile because based on past experience, the conclusion being made here is more likely than not the outcome that will come to pass, and yet you're still trying to peddle some hopium/copium levels of 'it won't be that bad surely'.
as to your second point, everybody i know who has seen the peter jackson trilogy has read the books in their entirety, so that's hundreds of people straight off the bat, if you expand that based on age you get an even bigger base of people who read the books before seeing the films, so sure, if you limit your search to people born in the last 15 years sure you're more likely to find people who have seen the films first then if interested enough have then gone on to read the books, but come on, now you're just skewing the results to favour your stance, not a great look honestly and the perfect politician style response.
that's entirely your own opinion, and yet the numbers are there and there have been countless examples now over the years, but you keep believing what you want to believe.
can you please explain how anybody here is 'ignorant', when not even the showrunners themselves know what they are doing?, meaning that by definition nobody can be ignorant of anything because there's no information available to educate oneself any better, unless you're using the word as synonym for being rude, in which case there's none of that either, so it doesn't work in either context, as for being narrow minded, i wasn't aware that using past experience to form a judgement about something that looks exactly like other failed projects using the exact same playbook was being 'close minded', if anything it's called 'using your better judgement', the only time you can even dare to call someone close minded in regard to this clusterfuck of a project is if they state they dislike it and after watching maintain the exact same arguements as prior to watching, and only then does the definition of that term stick, until then you're just mad that people are calling this mess exactly what it is appearing to be and aren't blindly praising this as the next big thing for gender politics and racial diversity set in a universe created with none of those things in mind.
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i'm glad you find that funny, personally i don't, i don't enjoy seeing things i grew up with taken by some upstart that thinks they are hotter than the sun with delusions of grandeur take a shit all over beloved franchises and products just to try and be 'the next big thing', but if you enjoy this sort of thing more power to you kiddo.
Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.
All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.
It’s pretty telling that you’re unable to provide any examples of such ruined franchises. Again, unless you’re making up your own definition, there are absolutely no negatives to “wokeness”.
And hey, if it was ever I doubt that you didn’t know what you were talking about we have this quote right here:
A universe without racial diversity in mind? Tell me you don’t know jack shit about Tolkien’s writings without telling me you don’t know jack shit about Tolkien’s writings. A world filled with various sorts of humans, elves, dwarves, hobbits, gnomes, and other beings isn’t “racially diverse”? Really? Ooooh yeah, what you meant was “certain skin colors don’t belong in this fantasy world filled with such abundance of racial diversity”. You still wondering who I’m referring to when I say “ignorant and narrow-minded”?
You’ll have to elaborate on what you mean by “gender politics” since it’s pretty much a meaningless term tossed about by guys who feel threatened by women not sticking to their traditional gender roles. That being said, I guess you’ve conveniently forgotten about the character of Eowyn whose narrative centers around opposing gender norms.
You claim you grew up with these stories but apparently you don’t know a thing about them. A universe without gender politics or racial diversity in mind? Fuck off and maybe go read the books again…
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actually, no i'm not, because everybody i went through school with read the books as part of the curriculum, alongside that the films released a few years into my secondary school years, meaning that alongside HAVING to read the books, they also saw the films as they were the biggest blockbuster movies of that time period, and in my year group alone that's 230 students, everybody who i know who is older than me has read the books, as the PJ trilogy didn't exist at that point so no, i wasn't 'lying' and to even try to use that as a comeback makes you look even more desperate than you already were previously.
Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.
oh, you want to be a pedantic fuck now?, ok then lets dance, since you seem incapable of distinguishing context, i used the terms i did in DIRECT RELATION to this steaming pile of shit they call 'the rings of power', 'gender politics' is having Galadriel become warrior goddess of middle earth because all of her established lore and story means nothing am i right?, i said 'racial diversity' with regards to the absolutely fucking moronic casting involved in the show with absolutely no basis in the overarching themes created by Tolkein for those fictional races he created, it has nothing to do with the utter moronic strawman arguement you're trying to peddle but nice try.
and since it's clear you're mentally indoctrinated into the woke brigade, here's a few examples of 'wokeness' that have ruined a franchise or straight up killed the potential for one to exist to begin with:
captain marvel
men in black: international
charlies angels 2019 reboot
ghostbusters 2016 reboot
star wars 'fuck you' trilogy
terminator dark fate (this has almost single handedly killed the terminator franchise from ever getting another movie release)
harley quinn: birds of prey
batwoman TV series
the 355
west side story 2021
this is just a 'small' list of shows/movies/projects that have failed both commercially and critically due to the stereotypical 'woke' hallmarks of pushing gender politics where it doesn't exit, adding racial diversity when it's not there, among other stereotypes based on the projects as a whole.
so mr pedantic fuck, wanna keep going or is this enough for you?
if you feel so inclined in future to make an ass of yourself, try and at least make it interesting.
You can be offended and misquote me as much as you want - it doesnt change the fact that wokeness does not have any mass appeal. It appeals to a very outspoken minority though.
I'm not a racist - i dont care what skincolour my heroes have. I care when what skincolour my heroes have starts being ideological though. I know its tough to admit but you are the radicalized one.
This TV show will be a dumpster fire. There's nothing Tolkien about what we've seen yet, absolutely nothing. If you've changed the names of places and characters nobody would even recognize that this is going to be a show set in Middle-earth.
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Exactly the same thing here. Misquoting me to try and represent me as a basic racist. Its probably one of the lowest retorts people can have today because they think its some sort of argument in it self.
"i called him a racist - i win by moral superiority".
Its a very childlike way of discussing things - especially when you are so blatantly misquoting me. If you want to have an actua ldiscussion you have to come up to my level and actually argue for your reasoning.
my parents have read the books, my aunt and uncle have read them, my cousins have read them, as stated everybody in my year group has read them, everyone i know in my personal life who i either consider family or friend has read the books in their entirety, how is this so hard for you to wrap your head around?, in what way is that unclear to you, are you conflating what i said with what you have said and merged the 2 things into 1?, i stated quite clearly and on multiple occasions now that everybody i know has read them, yet you still seem incapable of understanding this statement, so help yourself out here and stop because you're just making yourself look stupid.
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unfortunately that person and all others of their ilk only know these types of arguements because they have grown up with instagram/twitter/snapchat etc where any kind of long form communication is either frowned upon, or is outright restricted (twitter) by design, and as such they are incapable of forming cohesive sentences with well reasoned points and rely entirely on the knee-jerk 'ha gottem' tropes when talking online, or so it would seem to me anyway.
Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.
Pretty much. I'm not saying the show is gonna be any good, it might suck in many ways, but anyone who cries about "wokeness" or whatever in sci-fi or fantasy materials, I mean, you put it way nicer than I would have. It's just bigots too cowardly to admit their bigotry, and nothing else.
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My logic is sound of which yours is not, not everything is made into a book so there is plenty opertunities to make new stories in the same universe or adapt and change current stories available, if everything that was made from a book was made faithful we wouldnt have the amount of choice we have to do on stuff to watch, LOTRs could be made completely different where the ring was never destroyed, it would still be lord of the rings.
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