Lord of the Rings TV Series Purchased by Amazon

[Adamas102]

In terms of political: One of the main goals of Peter Jackson and the old lotr movie crew was to not implement their personal politics and bias into an adaptation of tolkiens work because they felt like that would potentially take away from the authenticity of the work. This new adaptation is highly motivated by wokeness and the creators personal political agendas as seen in the casting, the dialog and the "super fans" trailer. Its actually quite incredible that such a short trailer manages to show that off, but it does.

Ah, so you don’t know what the word “political” means…

[Fantomen]

For all of D&D's faults as original creators in the last few seasons of GoT, they were newbies at running big shows (and their writing credits on movies was horrendous) and managed to make 4 great seasons of an adapted work.

Becuse they did have detailed books to follow, the story did start to go of the rail then they did improvised, and totaly collapsed then they did only have George R. R. Martin notes to use.

Now you have two inexperienced newbies who only have Tolkien's "notes" to use. Its a smale history index. Why do you expect a diffrent result then GoT later seasons?

Not also, after all the trailers and official articles, what is the story about? Beside action herion Galadriel will do action stuff. This show you how weak the story will be.

[Xath]

You might not want to hear it because we’re just another group of them but the mass audience doesn’t care about nerds or geeks writing reviews making YouTube videos or posting on forums like we are. These movies have gotten to such a large state despite people like us not because of it, the studios know they need to reach much much further then those who actually care about comic or book accuracy that’s the whole reason so many changes are made.

And yes people didn’t care about aqua man yet even with a lower draw and then race swapping on top of it the movie still did well and breathed fresh air into the character that likely hasn’t been seen since comics were at there peak In the 40-60’s as far as the mass public goes.

Then of course we have batman and them making cat woman black who is likely more popular then Johnny storm has ever been and it didn’t suffer for it at all.

Changing an important characters race doesn’t hurt movies making bad movies hurts movies.

People went to see aqua man for two reasons to see Khal Drogo looking hot and pre downfall Amber Heard wearing a skintight suit. It was nothing to do with the story it was super hero Baywatch.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

People went to see aqua man for two reasons to see Khal Drogo looking hot and pre downfall Amber Heard wearing a skintight suit. It was nothing to do with the story it was super hero Baywatch.

so your saying replacing white characters with minority ones works if they are well cast and hot?

I mean that’s one way to defeat your own argument I suppose.

[Myradin]

These people have a very binary view of things. They don't have any room for "Let's wait and see". They have decided in advance that it's an unholy travesty and if you don't agree...you are raping Tolkien's Corpse.

Isn't the point of advertisement to help the audience form a view of what they're getting? Especially since its designed to skew audience perception to view the product in the most positive light possible? They aren't spending millions of dollars in promotion so people will 'wait and see'. They want people excited and energized and signing up for amazon ASAP.

Its quite worrying when something designed to make people like something, has the opposite result.

From what I've seen, and perhaps many others, is that yes, when promotion makes something look bad, its usually because its bad.

The term 'don't judge a book by its cover' worked in the era when book covers were tossed on and cheap. It doesn't really make sense when you have a multi-million dollar add campaign with experts and focus groups contribution to what is finally displayed.

[Orby]

People went to see aqua man for two reasons to see Khal Drogo looking hot and pre downfall Amber Heard wearing a skintight suit. It was nothing to do with the story it was super hero Baywatch.

I mean as bi guy I was only interested in seeing Jason Momoa look hot and wet. :P

[Nerovar]

The costume design keeps getting worse. The (man)boobplate + painted on scale armor is exceptional. I also don't understand why they are turning Tar-Míriel into a warrior character when there is no basis for this... "fairer than silver or ivory or pearls" indeed.

[Orby]

The costume design keeps getting worse. The (man)boobplate + painted on scale armor is exceptional. I also don't understand why they are turning Tar-Míriel into a warrior character when there is no basis for this... "fairer than silver or ivory or pearls" indeed.

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Is that a scale armour printed shirt?

I like to think these are just promo shots and it would look better once they air, but these costumes.... they are a bit clean and new. None of them look worn or used. It doesn't cost anything extra to rough up some items of clothing.

Also funny to see boob armour is being embraced

[Kumorii]

Is that a scale armour printed shirt?

I like to think these are just promo shots and it would look better once they air, but these costumes.... they are a bit clean and new. None of them look worn or used. It doesn't cost anything extra to rough up some items of clothing.

Pre-shooting, you're correct. After shooting, yeah quite a bit.

but yeah, these are probably promo images on non-final images. Will hopefully be sorted when VFX / Grade is properly done.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

Isn't the point of advertisement to help the audience form a view of what they're getting? Especially since its designed to skew audience perception to view the product in the most positive light possible? They aren't spending millions of dollars in promotion so people will 'wait and see'. They want people excited and energized and signing up for amazon ASAP.

Its quite worrying when something designed to make people like something, has the opposite result.

From what I've seen, and perhaps many others, is that yes, when promotion makes something look bad, its usually because its bad.

The term 'don't judge a book by its cover' worked in the era when book covers were tossed on and cheap. It doesn't really make sense when you have a multi-million dollar add campaign with experts and focus groups contribution to what is finally displayed.

There's a difference between seeeing a trailer and saying "No, I don't think I'm interested in that" and actively campaigning "This is raping the corpse of Tolkien"

[Nerovar]

Is that a scale armour printed shirt?

Yes.

I like to think these are just promo shots and it would look better once they air, but these costumes.... they are a bit clean and new. None of them look worn or used. It doesn't cost anything extra to rough up some items of clothing.

I mean, let's just call it like it is. These are just bad costumes. They don't look like armor. Compare this to the costumes they made for the Peter Jackson trilogy (which had a smaller budget than this show's first season even when adjusted for inflation). What a joke.

[Xath]

so your saying replacing white characters with minority ones works if they are well cast and hot?

I mean that’s one way to defeat your own argument I suppose.

No, I'm saying people didn't go because they were fans of Aquaman they went to see the super hero version of Baywatch

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The costume design keeps getting worse. The (man)boobplate + painted on scale armor is exceptional. I also don't understand why they are turning Tar-Míriel into a warrior character when there is no basis for this... "fairer than silver or ivory or pearls" indeed.

Wow these uh look horrible and incredibly ill fitted while still being unrealistically tight at the same time it's impressive

[Lorgar Aurelian]

No, I'm saying people didn't go because they were fans of Aquaman they went to see the super hero version of Baywatch

Yes that changing his race not only didn’t hurt it’s success it actually lead to it through good casting/being hot.

That completely ruins the idea that race swapping is hurting movies, it just means they have to race swap then into hotter actors.

[Koriani]

MIB is a weird example because the movie is literally about replacing two old and out-of-touch white dudes with a black man and, by the end of the movie, a young woman.

The very first movie.

Edit: I'm old enough to remember The Wiz, where it replaced all the characters in the Wizard of Oz with black men and women. Black Dorothy, black Scarecrow (played by Michael Jackson), etc. Why wasn't that woke pandering then? The original Judy Garland version had all white people, and the book it was based on was about white people. It's almost like this fucking insane furor is made up bigotry because y'all can't keep media lily white. It's not woke pandering to simply include a woman or black person in a piece of media, even if -gasp- they're the main character. I spent my entire childhood as a brown man looking up to and adoring white characters, why are y'all so fragile that you can't relate to a black man or woman on screen?

MIB is the weird example??

WEST SIDE STORY is the REALLY weird example! I mean how is the 2021 version all that different from ...the actual original West Side Story? Because they used actual non-white actors for rolls that were never written as 'all white' characters?

Just very confused. I mean I can see some of the logic (bad and wrong logic but I still see it) for someone claiming say that the original West Side Story is 'woke' if that's what they are preachin' - but JUST the 2021 version?

WHAAAA??? Just don't make no sense.

(And do agree that posters list was more a list of really badly written sequels then movies made bad because they included women/minorities/whatevers. They were just bad movies.)

And I'm really impressed by all the costume design and blacksmith experts we have on our forums...

Must be difficult for all these fantasy and scifi fans to watch any movie pre-Marvel. I must be one of the lucky few to learn how to get over "not perfect costumes and armor" with the few fantasy/scifi 70s and 80s movies I grew up with. *shakes her cane* And we were happy to have those few!! =D

[s_bushido]

Must be difficult for all these fantasy and scifi fans to watch any movie pre-Marvel. I must be one of the lucky few to learn how to get over "not perfect costumes and armor" with the few fantasy/scifi 70s and 80s movies I grew up with. *shakes her cane* And we were happy to have those few!! =D

It's funny you mention that, because I remember thinking that for all the production quality those films had, even Bale's Batman costume showed its flaws when it was filmed in broad daylight for those scenes at the end of TDKR.

[Snuke]

Watching all the experts in this thread has been almost as entertaining as watching 3 hours of walking through NZ.

[Nerovar]

And I'm really impressed by all the costume design and blacksmith experts we have on our forums...

Doesn't take an expert armorsmith to recognize armor that simply doesn't make sense and looks silly because of it. It's so easy to look to actual historical armaments. They look better and probably aren't even more expensive than whatever this 3d printed mess is.

Must be difficult for all these fantasy and scifi fans to watch any movie pre-Marvel. I must be one of the lucky few to learn how to get over "not perfect costumes and armor" with the few fantasy/scifi 70s and 80s movies I grew up with. *shakes her cane* And we were happy to have those few!! =D

The difference is that these 70s and 80s movies were most likely low budget pulp movies that weren't set in the same universe as a pre existing trilogy that actually had good costume design and therefor automatically prompts comparisons. We're talking about the most expensive TV show ever made here. There's simply no excuse for trashy costumes.

[s_bushido]

...it's a scale-patterned breastplate over a padded shirt. What, exactly, doesn't make sense about that?

[Nerovar]

...it's a scale-patterned breastplate over a padded shirt. What, exactly, doesn't make sense about that?

It's badly fitted breastplate boob armor that is somehow trying to look like scale mail with a scale pattern also printed on the cloth underneath (to look like actual armor from a distance??). The question should be what does make sense here?

[uuuhname]

I really love how we're at the point where we have to pretend "bad looking" costumes are what's breaking people's immersion lol. yeah yeah the pages and pages before this certainly didn't make the case that nothing about this show is going to please you.