I wonder which part of Tolkien's world involved people living to be hundreds of years old.
I wonder which part of Tolkien's world involved people living to be hundreds of years old.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
What our modern world looks like for most people, is a world where you can boot up pretty much any game with combat elements and male/female characters perform exactly the same, so the choice is purely aesthetic. Bigots probably vastly overestimate how twisted everyone else's panties will become when they see female soldiers in some work of fiction.
A change indeed, but a rather understandable one... If they want to explain the entire plot of numenors rise and fall they'd have to go further back in time than they seem to want. So they need to condense things. They clearly do want to mark the rize of Pharazon, so they need to have another leader in power before him, who he can usurp. If you go through the "marrying my niece" route you have to give way more backstory.
50/50? You'd lose that bet.
Sure, women warriors existed, but their numbers were never that great to begin with. A better representation is in west Africa, the 19th century Dahomey Amazons
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
All of it? The elves (both the Noldor from the Blessed Realm and those of Middle-Earth) are effectively immortal, the dwarves live for about two and a half centuries on average, and the people of Numenor had extremely long lifespans as well.
And that was out of the gate, at the start of Numenor. Later (both chronologically on Numenor itself and in Tolkien's later writings) the average Numenorean lifespan was five times that of mortal Men, due to living more like the Eldar (the Elves), with the Line of Elros still living longer than others.they [Númenóreans] remained unwearied for thrice the span of mortal Men in Middle-earth; but to Eärendil's son the longest life of any Man was given, and to his descendants a lesser span and yet one greater than to others even of the Númenóreans.
It appears that the show may be trying to compress over a thousand years of history, but Numenoreans (and Elves, of course) did have very long lifespans. Even in the Third Age, the Dunedain lived longer than other men - Aragorn in 87 during the events of Lord of the Rings, and lives to over 200.
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i thought sauron would look something like this, sneaky guy, not emo goth drugged face eminem..
The idiot I was responding to said:
No one in Tolkien's world (mid 20th century England) lived to be centuries old. Morons are perfectly happy accepting myriad fantastical elements in stories like this...from talking trees, to immortal races, to literal magic...but when it comes to women in the military? That's too fictional to even imagine!they are going to introduce changes to make the show more reflective of our modern world (as opposed to, you know, Tolkien's world) but now we're moving into territory that doesn't even reflect our modern world
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
No. I did not realize that. And since I assume you're pretending to quote the showrunners with this "our modern world" shit, complaining about me taking you out of context to intentionally make you look bad probably isn't a good idea, given that everyone who is riding along with you on that bandwagon does the exact same thing to them at every opportunity.
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I'm not complaining about you "taking me out of context". I'm sneering at you for going down the usual dialogue tree in the most grandstanding way while missing the (pretty obvious) point.
Oh, and just for the sake of clarity this is the quote I alluded to earlier "It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world [obviously meaning the modern, western world] actually looks like".
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The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Ah, is that what you were doing? Probably best if next time you don't start off the dialogue tree with an unsolicited post about how there are too many vaginas in the Numenorean army for your liking, then.
But I guess you disagree with the part you left off. Tolkien's work isn't for everyone, nor is it about people putting aside their differences and coming together to defeat an evil that would see them all subjugated or destroyed.“It felt only natural to us that an adaptation of Tolkien’s work would reflect what the world actually looks like,” says Lindsey Weber, executive producer of the series. “Tolkien is for everyone. His stories are about his fictional races doing their best work when they leave the isolation of their own cultures and come together.”
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My post was about how they prioritize their modern day political goals over the facts of the world Tolkien has created. Care to point out where I'm wrong?
Was Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings trilogy not "for everyone"? Do you think women cannot watch those movies because there are no female Gondorian soldiers or Rohirrim (apart from Éowyn) fighting on the Pelennor fields? Do you even realize how absurd this line of argumentation sounds?
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?
Yes, it wasn't for everyone. I'm in my 40s and every woman my age never saw it until they had young kids of their own, usually boys. Most of them said it's "one of those dumb movies about men and their swords." This is changing, as women become more involved in nerd culture, but that's a very recent development.
Ironically, I'd bet you'd be totally on board with the idea that romantic comedies are "for women" and alienate male audiences, while not understanding how high fantasy epics like LOTR do the same.
I mean not great to use personal experience as my mom who is in her 60s enjoyed them with me (though she didn't want to see the return of the king the 3rd or 4th time I went to be fair). I also know quite a few women in there 30s that enjoyed them too so, to each there own experiences.
That is an anecdote not really backed by the actual numbers of people who watched the movies in the cinema back then.
(https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...ay1-story.html)Females “have definitely been the growth business of the movie,” says Russell Schwartz, New Line’s president of domestic marketing. “The audience for each movie has grown, and a large portion of that has been female, both younger and older.”
Schwartz says the percentage of the audience that is female has gone from 42% for “Fellowship of the Ring” to 50% for “King.” Fantasy movies have traditionally had a male-dominated audience.[...]
“We’ve found on “Return of the King” that females are bigger repeaters than males,” Schwartz says. Exit polls conducted by New Line three weeks after “Kings’ ” release showed that 56% of women under 25 had seen the movie at least once and 6% had seen it at least four times. By comparison, 54% of males under 25 had seen the it once and 4% had seen it four times or more.
Seems pretty balanced to me.
Also to offer an anecdote of my own: I'm in my 20s and almost all of the die-hard LotR fans I know are women.
The absolute state of Warcraft lore in 2021:
Kyrians: We need to keep chucking people into the Maw because it's our job.
Also Kyrians: Why is the Maw growing stronger despite all our efforts?