I still can't wrap my head of how this show makes you feel more sympathetic and care more about Adar than all the other protagonists, this is bogus.
Well, maybe they are just too good and we mere mortals can't understand this new writing age, villains are show as the good guys and good guys as morons
That reminded me of Book of Boba Fett, when Black chewbacca Woke up him so he could kill him,it was like "hey, wake up, you ahve to see me killing you" then he throw his across the room.
That you can even shove some lame headcnaon to say Black Chewbacca wanted to fight "fair', in RoP its just dum nonsense.
That's literally the first orc he killed after they both recovered from the fall. He landed in front of the camera, stands up and walks left as the camera moves to the right...enters frame back from the left and attacks Arondir. The whole time you can hear him panting until Arondir stabs him. That's what the elf is recovering from when he backs into the big orc.
I don't know why people insist on trying find flaws that simply aren't there...
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That's the orc that pulled him.
And you are correct, instead of attacking Arondir here as Arondir tries to recover. The Orc moves left for roughly 5 seconds before attacking.
So we agree.
You are correct though that he got killed by Arondir, I forgot about that. However, that wasn't exactly the point of the post.
My post is clearly talking about the Orc having a good opportunity in killing Arondir and he just decides to fuck off for 5 seconds before coming back. For no reason whatsoever except giving Arondir time. Which you recounted as the events as well.
I don't know why people insist on trying to justify clear flaws...
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...that's the orc he stabs. You can see the same straps on his back from when he's tumbling down the roof.
The other orc, the one wearing a helmet that Arondir was fighting before the 2nd one hooked him off the roof, hits the ground and never gets up.
You're wrong. Deal with it.
It is also dumb how that big orc just keep trashing Arondir around, for a good moments before the woman kills it, like, what the fuck dude, where is your goddamn weapon, this pretending to build up tension when there is none is just boring.
Two, they low-key tough abandoning that place to make a last stand in the shit ass village, and had the audacity to say it was a better position or that they had the advantage there, when they were in fact fucked, its just phenomenal absurd
And of course not-sauron ship with Galadriel, dear lord
But hey he might be the king of angmar but either way is fucked.
He is a good character and its sad that he his on the hands of bad writers(like when he flip flops about the orcs being his children, then his brothers and sisters, despite they not showing any female orcs there.
He could be so much more with competent people, he is truly unique, like, the show kinda imply he is one of the few orcs who were changed to be orcs, but jut half-way trough, or something like that, and had to "produce" more of him, some sad backstory and all
then you have our hero saying she will genocide all orcs just to make him feel pain, before kill it, just before preaching how revenge is bad and Hallbland should not do it, despite also revenge being her only motivation.
This show is trully something else, By now i think Sauron is going to be an amazing character and actually look like a good guy.
What? I even pointed out that's the orc... It's the same orc we point out. I just took the picture after the fall when he moved away for 5 seconds before attacking...
We point out it's the same orc.
We point out the same exact events.
Only thing we differ, where I misremembered was that Arondir killed him. Which I clarified you were correct about but it also wasn't the flaw I was talking about... I talked about THIS ORC not killing Arondir when he had the chance and instead fucked off for 5 seconds before coming back.
Are you smoking?
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I see. Instead of just admitting you were wrong and getting over it, you instead admit that you were wrong but have to salvage it with this "they both fell off a roof, but it's bad because they didn't instantly recover and start fighting again!!!" bullshit. /wanking motion
Couldn't take a moment to consider that maybe he was dazed/winded after hitting the ground? You know...since he was panting heavily? Or that he lost his weapon in the fall and had to go pick it up before attacking again?
No. Of course not. Because "the show's bad, so I'm going to be as uncharitable as possible about every little detail to make it seem even worse."
It's downright pathetic.
On second thought, I was wrong: It's fucking pathetic.
Salvage? It was the original point... the one you didn't even defend. You instead went to the "he came back and got killed". Which had nothing to do with the point.
I guess it's projection though since this post of yours sure is trying to salvage your awful mischaracterization of my argument into a strawman and double down on it with "Just imagine the show makes sense" instead of the show, you know, showing things so it makes sense.
Show the orc being winded or dazed. Show him grab a weapon... that would actually make the scene a bit more fun to watch as well.
lets not even mention with the bad attitude in your approach of this convo. Ironic like Galadriel teaching Isildur about humility...
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"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Argue for the sake of argue. He did walk out of view, you even recounted the events of it. You even just now said he did it to collect himself or even grab a weapon.
So we agree, he walked out of view after landing.Couldn't take a moment to consider that maybe he was dazed/winded after hitting the ground? You know...since he was panting heavily? Or that he lost his weapon in the fall and had to go pick it up before attacking again?
you clearly think it doesn't matter or think that it's good tv... I don't think it was well made, they could do it way better by showing more clips between those 2.
Like having the orc land closer or have the camera further back and have it follow the orc around to the side (pointing towards Arondirs head) SHOWING the orc picking up a weapon as he walk around in a gloating or mocking manner. I consider things you claim I don't... I just think the series should actually SHOW it. Because it would be better if it did.
But I digress, I don't even think you are here to discuss the show as evident by your replies. So I'm gonna leave you to it.
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I said the orc might have been dazed/winded. That HE was recovering from the fall before attacking again. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.
And "writing" isn't the same thing as "fight choreography" either. Another fairly simple concept to understand.
But here we are once again, talking about 10 seconds of footage as if it means jack shit.
You are repeating yourself and just making false statements. He did not sell the rights to The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales or his notes before he died because he did not publish them. And that is not what Amazon has the rights to for this series, which is the appendices, which Tolkien did not give the rights to as the basis for a TV series either. Which means he did not intend them to be used the way they are being used today.
So on that note, lets not just keep going in circles and end this particular line of discussion...
The fight scene in the village wasn't great. Throwing main characters around is always shit choreography and I don't know why professionals still do it. That said I still really enjoyed the episode and the ending was epic.