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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Seramore View Post
    Because of Rampage?
    Which is ST, WW would be for AOE

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    I will never understand why people want Heroic Strike back. You had focused rage which was awful to play as Arms, now you want something similar back thats off the gcd while on top of that Fury is already the fastest spec in the game. I personally hate rotational abilities that are off the GCD and who absolutely hate if Heroic Strike ever makes it back, and have a lot of trouble trying to understand people that want it back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Bennett View Post
    Which is ST, WW would be for AOE
    Rampage is currently used for both AoE and ST, though. As is Whirlwind when Furious Slash isn't specced into. Having the old Heroic Strike back and Whirlwind costing rage again has zero synergy with the current kit that Fury has. In an iteration where Fury goes back to spending rage instead of building up your resource and spending it with a single ability, sure, that could work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Besides, call me a heretic, but I never got the love for Heroic Strike. Originally it was the most boring ability ever, adding some damage to your next autoattack. Then it became this spammy button that gave you carpal tunnel, especially when you played Glad Spec in WoD. I'm not sad to see it gone.
    Heroic Strike was an ability that in it's best state was a good measure of skill level. Proper use of rage management and heroic strike was the difference between a top player and a decent player and allowed you to squeeze just a little extra dps at certain times when needed. MoP was one of the best times for Fury rotation and warriors were in such a bad place fun wise in WoD with the removal of Heroic Strike being one of the reasons why. I quit for the entire WoD expansion just because of how terrible warriors felt.

    Legion Fury was pretty good though which is proof that the spec doesn't need Heroic Strike to be pretty good (as well as BfA beta from what I'm hearing). Just needs to be designed properly. I was sad to see Heroic Strike go after SoO, but happy with what we've had since Legion.
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  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Bennett View Post
    Which is ST, WW would be for AOE
    Rampage is your higher damage per utilization in AoE too and you still want to get as many enrage as possible during AoE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arbiter View Post
    Heroic Strike was an ability that in it's best state was a good measure of skill level. Proper use of rage management and heroic strike was the difference between a top player and a decent player and allowed you to squeeze just a little extra dps at certain times when needed. MoP was one of the best times for Fury rotation and warriors were in such a bad place fun wise in WoD with the removal of Heroic Strike being one of the reasons why. I quit for the entire WoD expansion just because of how terrible warriors felt.

    Legion Fury was pretty good though which is proof that the spec doesn't need Heroic Strike to be pretty good (as well as BfA beta from what I'm hearing). Just needs to be designed properly. I was sad to see Heroic Strike go after SoO, but happy with what we've had since Legion.
    My memory of how to optimally play MoP Fury is hazy because I was pretty bad at the time (only half bad now!) but I think we only used it during the CS window after pooling rage. So it's basically not much different from Rampage except more spammy.

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    Hey guys, I was playing around for about an hour trying out this spec. 2/1/1/3/1/1/2
    I have no numbers to show or give other than the playstyle and experience I gained.
    Overall, the spec goes crazy with unleashing rampages and having tons of enrage uptime. There's been very few windows, mainly due to procs, which forced me to WW once or twice in awhile. With BC being reduced in CD, with more rage generation it's not hard at all to ramapage during the buff every ~2abilities. Can I get some feedback on this spec? I tried using dragon rage and bladedstorm, but problem being is the gap in using shout, and BS taking so long to finish it caps out rage and could easily pump extra rampages in. Bottom talent, anger management cause more BC is more rage and more rampages like crazy. I went with meat cleaver because it works well with first talent and proccing enrages is nice on top of more rage to unleash further rampages. Please any feedback would be appreciated, even numbers if anyone can provide. Thanks in advance! (I posted this in the sticky thread, spreading it for possible replies.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    My memory of how to optimally play MoP Fury is hazy because I was pretty bad at the time (only half bad now!) but I think we only used it during the CS window after pooling rage. So it's basically not much different from Rampage except more spammy.
    During CS (it was still CS for Fury in MoP right?) you spammed it, but outside of it (which you spent more time than in) it had to be managed. Remember before Rampage out abilities costed rage so abilities have to be managed. Managing that rage with proper usage of heroic strike wasn't as easy as "just spam it". It was easy to spot a bad warrior and even just a decent/good warrior over a top tier warrior. Fury then was one of the harder specs to master (outside of a couple such as Feral arguably) but removing that ability removed a huge skill gap and dulled the spec down to where, if I recall correctly (I quit by the time raiding started so my memory of WoD is dull), it was just "CS on cooldown and hit these abilities as they come up. Don't worry about your rage much though"

    Don't get me wrong though I love Rampage and way the rage mechanics work with it. It's different than MoP Fury but it's really fun. Rampage wasn't a thing before Legion though which was why the removal of Heroic Strike was such a big deal in WoD.
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    I think you're overvaluing the skill that was needed to use Heroic Strike. Sure you had to think about its usage, but there were also times where you would just outright spam it due to the rage you'd get from taking damage in both Cata and MoP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Because everything that has a rage cost synergizes negatively with Rampage in a big way. Why do you think the execute phase feels so bad in Legion without the class ring?

    Besides, call me a heretic, but I never got the love for Heroic Strike. Originally it was the most boring ability ever, adding some damage to your next autoattack. Then it became this spammy button that gave you carpal tunnel, especially when you played Glad Spec in WoD. I'm not sad to see it gone.
    I remember having to balance the use of it in old raids too, because it generated a lot of threat. Annoying for everyone!
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  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Bennett View Post
    Why not just make our AOE just WW and increase it's damage and give it a rage cost? And make FS baseline again?

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    Or give us back heroic strike for a ST filler
    Because FS is redundant and not a very good ability.

    Throughout Legion all I ever wondered was why they didn't just dump FS and put the BT crit buff stack into WW.

    BfA seems to have fixed that problem and given FS a way to come back as a niche talent. One that I expect a lot of people will be using right up until they get enough haste to make up for the buff.

    Heroic Strike also doesn't really fit anymore, as other people have stated our purpose is now to build up to max rage for a rampage to maximize our enrage time. A dump like HS just doesn't make sense.

    That said they could bring it back, but probably only as a talent that replaces recklessness as a short CD that would make our attacks build extra rage for a short amount of time.

  12. #132
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Because FS is redundant and not a very good ability.

    Throughout Legion all I ever wondered was why they didn't just dump FS and put the BT crit buff stack into WW.

    BfA seems to have fixed that problem and given FS a way to come back as a niche talent. One that I expect a lot of people will be using right up until they get enough haste to make up for the buff.

    Heroic Strike also doesn't really fit anymore, as other people have stated our purpose is now to build up to max rage for a rampage to maximize our enrage time. A dump like HS just doesn't make sense.

    That said they could bring it back, but probably only as a talent that replaces recklessness as a short CD that would make our attacks build extra rage for a short amount of time.
    I doubt FS will be the go to talent at the start of BFA, Enrage gives a lot of haste as is and with blue gear you're almost GCD locked. Weaving FS here and there to maintain the buff is doable, don't get me wrong but I doubt it's going to be de facto the best.

    Both Inner rage and Suddent Death increase the pace of the spec and more enrage = more time with the haste buff. And to be fair they are both LEAGUES better than FS.

    This is pure speculation on my part of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Recom View Post
    I doubt FS will be the go to talent at the start of BFA, Enrage gives a lot of haste as is and with blue gear you're almost GCD locked. Weaving FS here and there to maintain the buff is doable, don't get me wrong but I doubt it's going to be de facto the best.

    Both Inner rage and Suddent Death increase the pace of the spec and more enrage = more time with the haste buff. And to be fair they are both LEAGUES better than FS.

    This is pure speculation on my part of course.
    I agree that the others flow better, but I think the main thing keeping people from a FS build is that they nerfed it to a 6% haste buff down from a 15%.

    Though a lot will have to deal with auto-attack damage, procs increased by haste and things like that ring that increased your auto-attack damage by 5%.

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