USA: Schoolchildren More Likely To Die Than Service Members (2018)

[szechuan]

Yeah, it's pretty scary being in school right now.

Yeah and all those dirty Socialists

[Gorgodeus]

Okay, according to that article there's nearly fifty times as many service members as students, actually bothering to account for that you get forty times higher mortality for service members, and they point out that 2018 is a statistical outlier for student deaths.

So, is that going to be addressed at all, or is this just another thread where everyone ignores the actual data in favor of hurling disingenuous insults at one another?



I don't think you quite understand what these terms mean.

Yes, school shootings going batshit insane is an outlier that needs addressing. That is the whole frikkin' point.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

The only problem with this graph is that it will have zero impact on where people stand on this.

[jackofwind]

That's rich coming from you given that this thread is just 2 pages long atm.

That has nothing to do with what I said, but grats on the post count.

[Goondicker]

Without debating the significance of this statistic, I'd like to just point out:

The fact that more school children have been killed in 2018 than service members does not necessarily mean that they are more likely to be killed. So this is potentially misleading (not the data, the title).

For instance, if I got killed by lightning strike inside my house, it doesn't mean that lightning is a bigger threat than a heart attack for the other members in my household.

Hope that makes sense.

[Shadowferal]

School shootings are not the new normal, despite statistics that stretch the truth

[Deleted]

Hint: The article is scientifically accurate. One does not need data from anything except 2108 in order to assess just how out of hand school shootings have been recently.

I don't think you get it. I will pull it to extremes to make it easier for you to understand - imagine there were real nazis who used 100% legit scientific methods to carry on their agenda, they just waited for right timespan to cherrypick up data ONLY from that short timespan that would prove their ideaology. Would you still support it? After all, it would be still 'scientifically accurate' - your words.

[szechuan]

School shootings are not the new normal, despite statistics that stretch the truth

You're right they've been Normalized Since Columbine. So Less Guns?

[Kelathos]

Now weigh the values with the population of each group.

[Gorgodeus]

The only problem with this graph is that it will have zero impact on where people stand on this.

Something will happen eventually. It will take a well-known Republican politician or two having a child die in a school shooting. The demographic that doesn't give a shit about school shooting will stop ignoring it when it effects them.

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I don't think you get it. I will pull it to extremes to make it easier for you to understand - imagine there were real nazis who used 100% legit scientific methods to carry on their agenda, they just waited for right timespan to cherrypick up data ONLY from that short timespan that would prove their ideaology. Would you still support it? After all, it would be still 'scientifically accurate' - your words.

Oh snap. Time to try the Hitler card, eh? Sorry, you simply fail.

[Shadowferal]

You're right they've been Normalized Since Columbine. So Less Guns?

Your reading comprehension needs work.

[Deleted]

That has nothing to do with what I said, but grats on the post count.

Well, what you said earlier had little to do with anything to begin so, ...so grats too.

[Guchie]

Love when I can get to page 3 and see no one in support of it hasnt read the article.

"The figures for 2018 do not suggest schools are more dangerous than combat zones. After all, there are more than 50 million students in public elementary and high schools and only about 1.3 million members of the armed forces. So far in 2018, a member of the military has been about 40 times as likely to be killed as someone is to die in a school shooting, including Keller’s revised figures."

Lies, Damn Lies, Statistics.

Not only is it not safer to be in the military, the numbers arent accurate because the DoD wont release all the information in press releases. Just sensationalist shit to rile up the people.

[szechuan]

Your reading comprehension needs work.

So less Guns??

[Deleted]

Oh snap. Time to try the Hitler card, eh? Sorry, you simply fail.

You named him, not me. Blame yourself.

Besides, Godwin's law doesn't work anymore since Trump's victory.

[Shadowferal]

Something will happen eventually. It will take a well-known Republican politician or two having a child die in a school shooting.

Considering that there are over 100k public schools, (and they likely attend private schools which add to the total) they're statistically safe. More likely to die by getting hit by lightning.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Something will happen eventually. It will take a well-known Republican politician or two having a child die in a school shooting. The demographic that doesn't give a shit about school shooting will stop ignoring it when it effects them.

Or once enough of Gen Z is in their 20s. The NRA would have a better chance long-term of holding on to more of their position if they were willing to have a dialogue about it. Digging in their heels, demonizing the children, and screeching reactionary rhetoric is more likely to provoke the type of extreme reaction they're so worried about than a more moderate one. Bend or break, the NRA is firmly choosing break.

[Nnyco]

Cherrypicking data at its worst, it's not even a year of data, it's just 5 months.

it is called "deaths in 2018" afterall

[Shadowferal]

So less Guns??

Keep trolling.

[Khaza-R]

Okay, according to that article there's nearly fifty times as many service members as students, actually bothering to account for that you get forty times higher mortality for service members, and they point out that 2018 is a statistical outlier for student deaths.

So, is that going to be addressed at all, or is this just another thread where everyone ignores the actual data in favor of hurling disingenuous insults at one another?



I don't think you quite understand what these terms mean.

The fact you even have to compare minor children as students to service men equip for combat might shed light on the problem inherent in this argument.