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    Why were Final Fantasy 6,7, and 9 so memorable and why can’t Square replicate them?

    Was it the music, plot, and characters? Was it because the protagonists were not a traveling boy band and instead soldiers and mages?

    What can be done to bring this series back to greatness?

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    >missing FFVIII and FFX
    >the Best 2.

    "the protagonists were not a traveling boy band and instead soldiers and mages"

    >FFIX literally follows a troupe of Theater performers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    >missing FFVIII and FFX
    >the Best 2.

    "the protagonists were not a traveling boy band and instead soldiers and mages"

    >FFIX literally follows a troupe of Theater performers.
    You serious?

    The Tantalus Theater Troupe and the group from FFXV are as different as these two pics.





    Also, only one member of the Troupe was part of the playable characters unlike FFXV, so they did not in fact follow a troupe of performers as you state. Besides, they weren't even a group of performers, they were bandits masquerading as one.

    You either never played the game or are being intentionally obtuse. Either of which disqualifies your opinion.

    As for the op, greatness is subjective. Ask 10 people and you'll get a lot of different opinions on which FF is the best. I was introduced with FF 7 as were a lot of others. I've played 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14. Of those 9 is my favorite. FF 7 is up there for nostalgia and 14 is great because it kind of mixes the feeling of 7, 8 and 9 as far as art and story.
    I do hope the next single player FF goes back to the fantasy roots of the franchise and leaves the spikey haired, androgenous characterization behind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CmdrShep2154 View Post
    Was it the music, plot, and characters? Was it because the protagonists were not a traveling boy band and instead soldiers and mages?

    What can be done to bring this series back to greatness?
    Why did you skip out 8. And did we really need another final fantasy thread commander?

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    Actually liked 8. 10. 12 , more than those. Also liked 13 (would have been fine if they marketed it properly leaving players feeling duped) and 15 was dope. I'm that guy.

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    6 is memorable because it was one of the first console games with an actual deep and engaging story. Released today it would be a good game but not held to the same regard. A major point is it was one of the first games to say "hey look a bad guy can win as well". Nowadays anti heros and even villains having victories in games is not a revolutionary thing.

    7 is memorable because it was the first FF done with 3D character models and pre rendered 2D art backgrounds and was also played by many in their teen years when the feels hit them and nostalgia reigned supreme.

    9 is memorable because it took the graphical style of 7 and 8, made it far better with way more detailed models and gorgeous pre rendered cities but went back to the old school FF charm of a more light hearted tale where you have to think to realize the dark nature behind it. It's story was nothing special outside of Vivi's arc but this is the reason many consider it great.

    Short story nostalgia is a hell of a drug. While I'll leave my opinions on the FF series to my own, people need to realize it's a lot harder to make a game "special" today due to the high standards. Square also doesn't have the benefit of being able to remake the same game with a new coat of paint like many franchises of old do, they set the standard that every new entry in FF needs to be a unique experience and that is why the more recent ones are more hit or miss with the core fan base.

    If you want the nostalgic old school JRPG feel of old FF games square still makes/funds games of those nature. Bravely series, Tokyo RPG Factory games, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler. People who complain about wanting FF to be that need to look outside of their little boxes and see those games still exist, a game doesn't need to have the name FF on it to be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    6 is memorable because it was one of the first console games with an actual deep and engaging story. Released today it would be a good game but not held to the same regard. A major point is it was one of the first games to say "hey look a bad guy can win as well". Nowadays anti heros and even villains having victories in games is not a revolutionary thing.

    7 is memorable because it was the first FF done with 3D character models and pre rendered 2D art backgrounds and was also played by many in their teen years when the feels hit them and nostalgia reigned supreme.

    9 is memorable because it took the graphical style of 7 and 8, made it far better with way more detailed models and gorgeous pre rendered cities but went back to the old school FF charm of a more light hearted tale where you have to think to realize the dark nature behind it. It's story was nothing special outside of Vivi's arc but this is the reason many consider it great.

    Short story nostalgia is a hell of a drug. While I'll leave my opinions on the FF series to my own, people need to realize it's a lot harder to make a game "special" today due to the high standards. Square also doesn't have the benefit of being able to remake the same game with a new coat of paint like many franchises of old do, they set the standard that every new entry in FF needs to be a unique experience and that is why the more recent ones are more hit or miss with the core fan base.

    If you want the nostalgic old school JRPG feel of old FF games square still makes/funds games of those nature. Bravely series, Tokyo RPG Factory games, Dragon Quest, Octopath Traveler. People who complain about wanting FF to be that need to look outside of their little boxes and see those games still exist, a game doesn't need to have the name FF on it to be good.
    Is that even out in the west yet?

    And isnt Bravely series on the 3DS, no thanks.

    yeah checking out your list of final fantasy substitutes they are nearly all on switch or the 3DS. What about on playstation, you know the console Final fantasy is famous for being on?
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    For me 6,7,8 then 10. I hated 9 and w/e came after 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Is that even out in the west yet?

    And isnt Bravely series on the 3DS, no thanks.
    Which one? There are a lot of DQ games out in the west... If you mean the most recent one specifically then Sep.

    "On 3DS no thanks" this comment alone shows a hilarious statement. Either you're a fan of old style JRPGs or not which is it? Because I have yet to find one that didn't own a 3DS as the system did a good job of catering to the genre. If you're not a fan my comment wasn't aimed at you nor does it need reply from you.

    As if being on the 3DS is inherently a bad thing, especially when comparing to ugly ass PS1 graphics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Which one? There are a lot of DQ games out in the west... If you mean the most recent one specifically then Sep.

    "On 3DS no thanks" this comment alone shows a hilarious statement. Either you're a fan of old style JRPGs or not which is it? Because I have yet to find one that didn't own a 3DS as the system did a good job of catering to the genre. If you're not a fan my comment wasn't aimed at you nor does it need reply from you.
    Yeah I thought there was one coming out soon, might check it out.

    Oh dont get all bitter and snarky. I was interested in your serious suggestion for final fantasy substitutes, If they are on a completely different system namely a nintendo one then I wont bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Yeah I thought there was one coming out soon, might check it out.

    Oh dont get all bitter and snarky. I was interested in your serious suggestion for final fantasy substitutes, If they are on a completely different system namely a nintendo one then I wont bother.
    "I want to play JRPGs but won't buy the systems that get the most JRPGS".

    Not going to change with the Switch either, especially with the Vita, and Sony's handheld division with it being dead. 3DS got a lot of exclusive JRPGs, Switch will as well. That's just where the target audience was/is for the smaller budget old school JRPG. Just like playstation platforms are the more target audience for the newer age heavily anime inspired JRPGs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    "I want to play JRPGs but won't buy the systems that get the most JRPGS".

    Not going to change with the Switch either, especially with the Vita, and Sony's handheld division with it being dead. 3DS got a lot of exclusive JRPGs, Switch will as well. That's just where the target audience was/is for the smaller budget old school JRPG. Just like playstation platforms are the more target audience for the newer age heavily anime inspired JRPGs.
    Well thats fair enough if the 3DS has a lot of JRPGS on it. A lot of them I had seen before like Bravely Default, but the artstyle was not my cup of tea.

    And if I have to cross over to the religion of nintendo and be ripped off for the brand then Ill just pass and miss out I guess.

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    Diverse character designs and a blending of themes. 6 is science vs sorcery, 7 is industry vs nature, 9 is alien homunculi invading a picturebook fantasy world to terraform it. They arent one flavour but a blend of two and this dichotomy breeds variety. Look at all the less popular games and they are all one note and lack variety.

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    I've almost played all of them and my favorite one is the X and the XIV. May be cause the second one is a good RPG in MMO disguise.

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    I've almost played all of them and my favorite one is the X and the XIV. May be cause the second one is a good RPG in MMO disguise.
    I'm going through FFXIV at the moment and I really don't get why people praise it so much for the story. I mean, it's more interesting than other MMOs for sure (which isn't very hard), but many people claim it's at the same level as other Final Fantasy games, and I just don't see why.

    I find it extremely long winded and hard to care for many of the characters (I'm 40% in Stormblood at the moment). Note, I took my time with the game and read all the quest text

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waervyn View Post
    I'm going through FFXIV at the moment and I really don't get why people praise it so much for the story. I mean, it's more interesting than other MMOs for sure (which isn't very hard), but many people claim it's at the same level as other Final Fantasy games, and I just don't see why.

    I find it extremely long winded and hard to care for many of the characters (I'm 40% in Stormblood at the moment). Note, I took my time with the game and read all the quest text
    Are u at ARR or Heavensward ? I can understand ur feeling for most of ARR, but end of ARR and Heavensward are quite magnificient to me. While Stormblood is really meh, just looks like a typical shonen with our boy Zenos the edgy villain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waervyn View Post
    I'm going through FFXIV at the moment and I really don't get why people praise it so much for the story. I mean, it's more interesting than other MMOs for sure (which isn't very hard), but many people claim it's at the same level as other Final Fantasy games, and I just don't see why.

    I find it extremely long winded and hard to care for many of the characters (I'm 40% in Stormblood at the moment). Note, I took my time with the game and read all the quest text
    Well, it IS on the same level of other Final Fantasy games.. whether that's a good thing or not is a different question.
    But I don't think it's a whole lot different from other FF titles.

    Nice side stories, good lore, cool/huge monsters, cringy moments, same kind of humor etc. etc.
    The theme of the story itself is also rather "mature" as it's clearly not a black/white scenario and you are more or less moving in a morally grey area and the game doesn't really hide (as in "not questioning you" for what you are doing) the fact that are going on a killing spree from time to time - nearly on a level of a genocide.
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    Why final fantasy isn't as good as it once was? probably cause the original creator of the series Hironobu Sakaguchi left after number 12 and then we got the shit that was 13 right afterwards.

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    It's because pre-FFXII they weren't constantly trying to reinvent the fucking wheel, and instead focused on delivering solid stories and memorable characters.

    For me, FFX was the last great Final Fantasy game; solid turn based combat, great characters, minigames so fun they could support their own game, and a totally insane but engaging plot. What more could you want?

    Then we got FFXII... Which not only had HANDS DOWN the worst protagonist of all time (Fuck you Vaan, just... fucking die) and the worst storyline, but also a jumbled mess of a combat and leveling system that was SO shit, they had to basically redo the whole thing and re-release it as "The Zodiac Age".

    From them on, they've tried to get more and more "Original" with the combat and game systems, while also getting more UNORIGINAL with the story and characters.

    If they could just remember what actually GOT them all the fans in the first place and release a strong story driven RPG with classic combat, they'd basically be printing money.

    But they wont.

    Because they just never learn.
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