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    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    So much for the cash shop not providing competitive advantages.

    I remember some people in this thread swearing up and down that they weren’t going to do this. Or was it that those shitty costumes didn’t count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ooid View Post
    I remember some people in this thread swearing up and down that they weren’t going to do this. Or was it that those shitty costumes didn’t count?
    Surprise, surprise!

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    I don't see how it's P2W when anyone who plays this game has already lost. (just kidding, maybe) Anyways, anyone who says they didn't see this coming is either lying, or incredibly naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimusmc View Post
    Pete hines said in a tweet atomic shop is cosmetic only.
    Meh, that's disappointing and another greed indicator...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greevir View Post
    I don't see how it's P2W when anyone who plays this game has already lost. (just kidding, maybe) Anyways, anyone who says they didn't see this coming is either lying, or incredibly naive.
    Now, this probably won't be popular, but while it's clearly another kick in the teeth of the franchise's real fans, is it really P2W? More scrap and food that takes longer to spoil seems like quality of life improvements as opposed to a competitive advantage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    Now, this probably won't be popular, but while it's clearly another kick in the teeth of the franchise's real fans, is it really P2W? More scrap and food that takes longer to spoil seems like quality of life improvements as opposed to a competitive advantage?
    If you put in real money and get a benefit out of it, it's a P2W mechanic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    Now, this probably won't be popular, but while it's clearly another kick in the teeth of the franchise's real fans, is it really P2W? More scrap and food that takes longer to spoil seems like quality of life improvements as opposed to a competitive advantage?
    P2W has no really solid definition, however, the majority of people will consider anything that has some sort of impact in the gameplay as P2W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    If you put in real money and get a benefit out of it, it's a P2W mechanic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    P2W has no really solid definition, however, the majority of people will consider anything that has some sort of impact in the gameplay as P2W.
    I suppose that I saw P2W as for example, fatmans with unlimited ammo in the shop, as opposed to quality of life items like a fridge or scrap collector. But I see your point, if it's not cosmetic, it's P2W.

    That's very depressing, so many Bethesda games are shining lights in my gaming memories, so I always try and see the best in them.
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    I don't think these items are p2w but they are the beggining of something I don't want F76 to become
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    I don't think these items are p2w but they are the beggining of something I don't want F76 to become
    The worst thing is that there is no way to get item like this through gameplay. Imagine they would add a hard questline to craft a Collectron with a rare mats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    The worst thing is that there is no way to get item like this through gameplay. Imagine they would add a hard questline to craft a Collectron with a rare mats.
    I think you can get a limited amount of premium-currency over time or something, not entirely sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    The worst thing is that there is no way to get item like this through gameplay. Imagine they would add a hard questline to craft a Collectron with a rare mats.
    You can get Atoms just by playing. I earned easily over 2000 and i'm not really farming them or anything.
    Bought a cowboy duster for reasons.

    So, in theory you can get it through normal gameplay. Yet it's an obvious push to spend more cash
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    I think you can get a limited amount of premium-currency over time or something, not entirely sure.
    Yup, you earn Atom points by playing the game. So scrapping a certain amount of items, killing enemies, blablabla... But only small amounts (so far for me anyway, 10-20), and the fridge alone costs 700 Atom points.

    Being the noob that I am, I hadn't noticed the "repair at bench" option, so wasted some Atom points on repair kits that you can use anywhere...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    You can get Atoms just by playing. I earned easily over 2000 and i'm not really farming them or anything.
    Bought a cowboy duster for reasons.
    A cowboy duster sounds like appropriate clothing for a lone wanderer!

    I'm currently sporting the scout outfit...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maljinwo View Post
    You can get Atoms just by playing. I earned easily over 2000 and i'm not really farming them or anything.
    Bought a cowboy duster for reasons.

    So, in theory you can get it through normal gameplay. Yet it's an obvious push to spend more cash
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    I think you can get a limited amount of premium-currency over time or something, not entirely sure.

    Yeah, I'm not talking about just earning premium currency. I'm saying that you could actually make a new content to get this items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LazarusLong View Post
    Yeah, I'm not talking about just earning premium currency. I'm saying that you could actually make a new content to get this items.
    I agree. Premium currency shouldn't exist in a AAA game anyway
    This world don't give us nothing. It be our lot to suffer... and our duty to fight back.

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    Whoa I am late to this party.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    - I haven't dared moved my base yet because of the bugs. Is it best to keep base builds on ground level, or have the recent patches fixed that issue?
    I won't be a ton of help because I staked my claim and haven't moved it since...uh...it's been a while. But I've seen all kinds of built bases in my travels. I just have a base built specifically for ease of use, and therefore, ground level.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    - Is it worth building defenses for my base?
    I think that, if you have few/none, you are attacked more often. More importantly, you can keep making ammo and smoked mirelurk sandwiches while you hear machine gun fire and explosions and not even flinch. "Ah, those pesky super mutants, always such kidders. Looks like I'm getting some 0.38 bullets, frag grenades and steel!"

    I've also built fences around my most important crops so that stray bullets and lasers hit those first and I don't miss a harvest.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    - I have LOTS of building materials except concrete which is hampering my base building as I can't lay more foundations..Is it just a rare resource?
    Now I know you've fixed the issue, and that's cool, but the answer is "yes, but nobody cares". You don't make a lot of guns, ammo, chems, weapons or items with concrete. You make floors and some steps. A few runs 'round some construction sites and you're pretty much good forever.

    Failing that, one of the reasons I chose my location is it had a concrete extractor location, but a smarter move would have been to use any of the workshops that have one, let it run for an hour, and be set for life. Some train vendors sometimes have bulk concrete, and quite frankly, anyone who has a concrete extractor probably didn't waste their time locking the damn thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    - I want to do a Power Armor build, around what level can you get a usable one?
    "Usable?" Uh...35. I'm talking about the Excavator Armor of course, one of my favorite toys, because it hauls scrap like a beast and still resists rads just fine. I have never used T45, T51, or T60 because, by the time I would have wanted a combat suit, I had run every faction quest and could make Ultracite and X01 from scratch. But I'm a crafter, and "here are some new recipes" is a carrot I can see on the end of a very long stick.

    If you don't want to run those questlines, well, things slow way the hell down. You can find the plans for Ultracite pieces on scorchbeast queens (and maybe scorchbeasts?) but don't hold your breath. Random sets basically don't exist past T51. I don't see players selling them often. And it's not like you can kill someone and take the pieces off their corpse.

    Now be advised, these suits will be expensive. A level 50 X01 suit takes about 100 of each steel, aluminium, screws, springs, and copper, and 20-40 of nearly everything else. And that's pre-mods. Jet Packs and Calibrated Shocks (both highly useful) will require stable flux or mods you buy from the Enclave (all the more reason to run that questline). Nobody's going to give that away for free.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    do you think Fallout 4 would just blow my mind if its more of the same but much better?
    Okay...if I had a gun to my head and forced to choose, I would say "play the one that doesn't lose its server connection all the time".

    That's 4.

    Fallout 4 is a fantastic game. Being single player, there's also no reason to cap player power or balance around PvP. While I think the changes from Fallout 4 to Fallout 76 largely work (such as leveled weapons, multiple-trait legendaries, repeatable quests, more plants, more food, handmades take 5.56) and I love giving newbies stuff, even with recent changes, Fallout 76 just...it just crashes on me too often. And if I have to choose between my Honda Civic and a Porsche 911 with unfixable misfiring spark plugs, I would say "the option that doesn't have me calling a tow truck every other Wednesday".

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm looking for an anti-armor energy weapon that's worth a damn. Not looking at you, plasma rifles and flamers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Breccia View Post
    Whoa I am late to this party.
    Party is still going strong, have some of my fresh blackberry juice and blackberry honey crisps (I love those recipes)!

    I won't be a ton of help because I staked my claim and haven't moved it since...uh...it's been a while. But I've seen all kinds of built bases in my travels. I just have a base built specifically for ease of use, and therefore, ground level.
    That's what I was doing out of caution too. I've now expanded to 3x3, on two levels, and I seem to be able to move without any issues. I've made several blueprints, one of which is just foundations, and the rest has snapped to them every time fine so far. *touches wood*

    I think that, if you have few/none, you are attacked more often. More importantly, you can keep making ammo and smoked mirelurk sandwiches while you hear machine gun fire and explosions and not even flinch. "Ah, those pesky super mutants, always such kidders. Looks like I'm getting some 0.38 bullets, frag grenades and steel!"
    xD...Not going to lie, I'm pretty fed up of getting interrupted in my crafting/stash management. I think I might look into that today. Although I only have the basic turret and artillery plans so far.

    I've also built fences around my most important crops so that stray bullets and lasers hit those first and I don't miss a harvest.
    This is what I need to do so they stop popping my blackberries!

    Now I know you've fixed the issue, and that's cool, but the answer is "yes, but nobody cares". You don't make a lot of guns, ammo, chems, weapons or items with concrete. You make floors and some steps. A few runs 'round some construction sites and you're pretty much good forever.

    Failing that, one of the reasons I chose my location is it had a concrete extractor location, but a smarter move would have been to use any of the workshops that have one, let it run for an hour, and be set for life. Some train vendors sometimes have bulk concrete, and quite frankly, anyone who has a concrete extractor probably didn't waste their time locking the damn thing.
    I hadn't realized at the time of asking the question how few plans required concrete, I'm now swimming in it, but wait... minerals extractors??? I hadn't even noticed them in the build lists...

    "Usable?" Uh...35. I'm talking about the Excavator Armor of course, one of my favorite toys, because it hauls scrap like a beast and still resists rads just fine. I have never used T45, T51, or T60 because, by the time I would have wanted a combat suit, I had run every faction quest and could make Ultracite and X01 from scratch. But I'm a crafter, and "here are some new recipes" is a carrot I can see on the end of a very long stick.

    If you don't want to run those questlines, well, things slow way the hell down. You can find the plans for Ultracite pieces on scorchbeast queens (and maybe scorchbeasts?) but don't hold your breath. Random sets basically don't exist past T51. I don't see players selling them often. And it's not like you can kill someone and take the pieces off their corpse.
    Hmm, damn. I'm only lvl 19 so still a way to go..Is there nothing I can use before that? (I swear a buddy said lvl 25 to me). I'm loving the sound of the Excavator Armor, I'm going to look into that.

    *spots a fellow crafter* Same! I love getting recipes and long questlines so that's music to my ears. (I'm currently pushing through the tadpole scout chain while wearing my scout uniform to get the better backpack)

    Now be advised, these suits will be expensive. A level 50 X01 suit takes about 100 of each steel, aluminium, screws, springs, and copper, and 20-40 of nearly everything else. And that's pre-mods. Jet Packs and Calibrated Shocks (both highly useful) will require stable flux or mods you buy from the Enclave (all the more reason to run that questline). Nobody's going to give that away for free.
    100 of each..........whoa. And I'm always low on springs (although its getting better since i realized desk fans give them). That being said, if suit is good, I'm fine with some grinding. I'm a wasteland hoover anyway, so I pick up everything I can, and as a result have many stash problems.

    Okay...if I had a gun to my head and forced to choose, I would say "play the one that doesn't lose its server connection all the time".

    That's 4.

    Fallout 4 is a fantastic game. Being single player, there's also no reason to cap player power or balance around PvP. While I think the changes from Fallout 4 to Fallout 76 largely work (such as leveled weapons, multiple-trait legendaries, repeatable quests, more plants, more food, handmades take 5.56) and I love giving newbies stuff, even with recent changes, Fallout 76 just...it just crashes on me too often. And if I have to choose between my Honda Civic and a Porsche 911 with unfixable misfiring spark plugs, I would say "the option that doesn't have me calling a tow truck every other Wednesday".
    I have only had one crash on F76 so far so I'm touching massive wood on that front. Thanks for going into that (great description xD), I'm enjoying the systems so much that F4 seems like a guaranteed hit for me. My evil masterplan for the time being is to explore the F76 map 100%, see how I feel, and then prob play another game (BL3, The Surge 2 or Death Stranding most likely) before diving back into the Fallout universe with F4.

    I'm particularly looking forward to having more stories, NPCs, and consequences to my choices.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm looking for an anti-armor energy weapon that's worth a damn. Not looking at you, plasma rifles and flamers.
    Now what is up with that? I thought I'd be swimming in cool energy weapons but I've only found very average laser rifles/guns so far, and they seem few and far between. Some of us want to melt eyeballs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    Party is still going strong, have some of my fresh blackberry juice and blackberry honey crisps
    You HAD to mention honey crisps. Do you know how long I fumed about being unable to make the stuff? Seriously, I ran Irrational Fear on cooldown for a couple months.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    Although I only have the basic turret and artillery plans so far.
    Artillery won't auto defend your place. Just saying.

    I don't remember where I got the Missile Turret plans. I do know you need the Agility perk card Home Defense 3/3 to make it. I also strongly recommend having them on the corner of your roof, or some other overhang, so they fire downwards at intruders. While this is less important for bullets and lasers, a missile that fires horizontally and misses just wanders off into the trees. A missile that flies vertically and misses hits the ground, explodes, and still damages the target.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    minerals extractors??? I hadn't even noticed them in the build lists
    You can only build a mineral extractor if you build at a location that can take one. Most such locations look the same, a conical pit about three meters across that you can yankg bits of raw material out with your bare hands (usually). Most workshops have a few. Concrete pits, not that it matters now, are light grey and cannot be extracted by hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    (I swear a buddy said lvl 25 to me)
    Your friend is likely telling you the level at which Excavator Armor can be equipped. He is not telling you the level at which you'd survive the trip into Garraham's Mining Headquarters (Ash Heap, far south of the map) to make your set in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    100 of each..........whoa. And I'm always low on springs (although its getting better since i realized desk fans give them).
    I think you meant screws. There's a card that lets you lower repair requirements, it's called Power Smith, but it's a higher-level card and I don't think you can get it at 19.

    If you really did mean springs, kill Yao Guai. Oh, wait level 19. Um...Yao Guai have springs but they're tough to kill. Find a sniper ledge or drop mines. THe one by the Civil War fort way up north has a bear in the parking lot, as in "surrounded by giant metal explosives".

    Quote Originally Posted by PromiscuousPenguin View Post
    Now what is up with that? I thought I'd be swimming in cool energy weapons but I've only found very average laser rifles/guns so far
    Eenergy weapons aren't rare by choice, they're rare by chance. As you've probably noticed most armed monsters carry a gun based on their level from a pre-selected list. You've probably killed hundreds of low-level scorched by now. Ever see one using a 0.44 weapon? How about any form of SMG? They're not coded to do that. Higher levels add combat and assault rifles, but you'll never see a scorched attack you with a laser weapon. Super Mutants also have a short list, and lasers are on it, but not plasma.

    Meanwhile, when you find a weapon in a chest, or in a treasure map, or a legendary weapon, it seems far more "everything is equally fair game". Thing is, there are so many ballistic weapons that energy weapons are just pushed out by sheer volume. Just off the top of my head, there are pipe weapons/bolt-action/revolver, 10mm pistol, single action/0.44/western revolvers, hunting rifles, combat rifles, assault rifles, SMG, 10mm SMG, the LMG, miniguns, 0.50 cal machine guns, syringers (yawn) and double-barrel/pump-action/combat shotguns. Plus EVERYTHING that explodes. Meanwhile, on the energy side, it's laser, plasma, gatling laser, and gatling plasma. You won't find the Alien Blaster randomly.

    And plasma are the worst, due to Fallout damage mechanics and their split damage. Unless there's a hidden mechanic I don't know about, plasma weapons are almost designed to do low damage. Of course, they do turn corpses into bright glowing green puddles, making it far easier to find and loot them in the tall grass.

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    Have over 600 hours on fallout 4...can't bring myself to buy 76 due to all the terrible reviews Guess i'll wait for fallout 5...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenbeef View Post
    Have over 600 hours on fallout 4...can't bring myself to buy 76 due to all the terrible reviews Guess i'll wait for fallout 5...
    If you've got a friend to paly with it's not bad at all. I can't say it was too much fun to play solo or I'd be playing it still and not Classic; but I did a load of it with my partner just leaving our camp each gaming sessions and setting out to explore the map, or starting/finishing a quest from the log, and the experience of playing a Fallout game co-op was fun enough to justify it. I'm sure some people will read that and think I set my bar too low, w/e really.
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    Damnit hubcap, you are such a retard.
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    The things I pointed out are 100% factual points about the game

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