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  1. #781
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Well, I'm pretty sure Soldier Boy will depower Homelander and they might kill him at the end of this season
    Not going to happen. Homelander's psycho grin brings in the viewers - he'll stick around until the very end, I can promise you that. He's the posterboy for the entire show, and those don't get killed off in the middle of a run.

  2. #782
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    She just sorta easily overpowers him, even though she comes from behind. I had assumed she was stronger than Noir.
    Coming from behind gives her advantages.

    If she could straight up overpower him...why would she need to feed him the candybar?
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  3. #783
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Not going to happen. Homelander's psycho grin brings in the viewers - he'll stick around until the very end, I can promise you that. He's the posterboy for the entire show, and those don't get killed off in the middle of a run.
    Yeah I don't think nor hope so as well, but that's a possibility. The biggest risk of this serie is to not develop, and Season 04, 05, 06, 07, 241 being all about people trying to kill Homelander while not pissing him off. That will need to stop at one point or boredom will arrive
    So maybe 3 seasons is a bit early to kill him off (is it ?), but I could see that happening.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    If she could straight up overpower him...why would she need to feed him the candybar?
    Why wouldn't she use a trick to get rid of Noir in half a second, instead of fighting a 2-hours duel with probably an 50/50 chance of winning ? I mean, always better to have a contingency plan.
    We haven't seen much about Maeve or Noir in action so far, (Maeve in S1E1 and in last episode of Season 2, punching Stormfront but 3v1 vs Noir only at Butcher's aunt's house, duel vs newly-freed Kimiko and against Naqlib ?) so difficult to tell what are the power levels.

  4. #784
    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    Except that's not made by the creators.... just like WoWpedia has TONS of misinformation on it.
    Do you not understand how footnotes work?

    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    So in the whole "rewatch S1E1" I'd like to know how you can say that the aforementioned heroes couldn't have done what she did. I mean hell the only time those 2 were even injured was in a supe vs supe fight(Starlight when Homelander was digging his hand in her gut and A Train/Noir/Stormfront/Soldier Boy vs Kimiko). Judging by the way Maeve acts around Homelander, he could probably rip her open.
    In order to split a car in half with your body, you need to be much more durable than the car. Until another hero demonstrates that they can do the same we'll assume that Maeve has a high degree of invulnerability and more of it than almost anyone else.

    No one is saying she's stronger than the Homelander. That's generally implied.

  5. #785
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    So finally caught up through ep5 of this season.

    It seems pretty clear to me that whatever they've done to Soldier Boy makes him the key to defeating Homelander. He's clearly at a point where his beam power (while disintegrating normal human beings) seems to deactivate supes......permanently, as it seems Kimiko isn't gaining her powers back after any amount of time. Even if it's days, plenty of time to kill Homelander. I'm honestly looking forward to seeing Anthony Starr portray actual fear because his acting this season is off the charts psychotic.
    Crimson Countess did not look just deactivated, though. I think only Kimiko can/could survive Soldier Boy's beam.


    Hughie's a pretty big shitstain this season. Starlight has made it clear multiple times that she just wants him, and doesn't need him to "be anything" in particular, but he's a ball of insecurities for the whole season.
    But they can't be together safely as long as Homelander lives. And Starlight isn't very helpful in finding a way to defeat Homelander, given her incompetent attempts to form an Anti-Homelander-Alliance within the Seven. Inviting the most stupid member of them was not the brightest idea and the punishment followed quick. A little "don't tell anyone, we don't know who we can trust" would have gotten her a long way...

    I'm a little disappointed the season has focused so little on Neumann. With how this show satirizes corporate and right wing politics, I was hoping there'd be more comeuppance for the left wing politician who is disingenuous and murderous and backstabbing. Maybe her turning her daughter into a supe will bite her in the ass vis a vis what I think Butcher's ultimate plan is...
    Agreed. I would rather have this season focus on taking her down and the next on killing Homelander than the other way around. Neumann isn't a good final boss.

    Overall I found the fifth episode rather unexiting. It stirred way too much unnecessary and unlogical conflict.
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  6. #786
    If the Russians really wanted to kill Soldier Boy, couldn't they just drown him? No amount of super powers are going to save your body from a lack of oxygen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Not going to happen. Homelander's psycho grin brings in the viewers - he'll stick around until the very end, I can promise you that. He's the posterboy for the entire show, and those don't get killed off in the middle of a run.
    The meta side of me is thinking the same thing, seeing as they just got approved for season 4 and probably don't want to lose their star actor.

    Though they might try to do something else like steal Homelander's powers away but keep him alive and suffer through Soldier Boy's rule at the top now. Probably going to do something more with Soldier Boy as they've been building him up this entire season with no very much screen time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    If the Russians really wanted to kill Soldier Boy, couldn't they just drown him? No amount of super powers are going to save your body from a lack of oxygen.
    It’s a fairly common trop for unkillble super hero's to either not actually need to breathe or they do need to but when cut off of air they just go into stasis, or they take damage from the lack of air but then just heal it after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Watched the new episode tonight.

    Kinda felt extremely forced with this rift they are trying to make between Starlight and Hughie. Feel like she should be waaaaay more in favor of using Soldier Boy as a means to kill Homelander. Homelander literally threatened to wipe out the United States a few episodes ago and Soldier Boy is literally the only the only weapon they have against him.
    That, to me anyway, isn't what is causing any rift. I think you've missed that motivation.

    Its Hughie REPEATEDLY hiding crap, lying, covering it up, saying he's coming clean and making promises and then breaking those promises (not 24 hours later) - again and again.

    I don't think Starlight has any issue using Solider Boy - she just doesn't know the details yet. It went (for her) from 'weapon against homelander' to 'Solider Boy is alive" but she was never brought in by Hughie on ANY ideas of using SB as the weapon against Homelander until the moment she arrived on the 'surprise' scene. If Hughie had been honest with her about any of it, or if Hughie hadn't taken the temp-V, or if Hughie hadn't promised not to again (etc.) she wouldn't have been angry with him in that moment.

    But since Hughie PROMISED he wasn't going to take V again, and that it was "Them full Partners" vs. the world (again) - only for her to show up and he's on V, again lying to her, again trying to be 'honest after the fact' (which isn't being honest) - yeah. THAT's creating the rift. She can't trust him. And after he repeatedly tries to insist she can trust him - only to repeatedly betray that trust 'for reasons' and ask again to be trusted - She less and less is believing that she can trust him (as she should.)

    Hughie's shooting his own self in the foot with his feelings of insecurity and inadequacy and not being honest with the woman he 'loves' about these things. He tells Butcher, but not the one he needs to be telling (Her). To Her - he's either lying and knows he's lying but is hoping not to get caught or that he can get out of it (only reason to promise not to use V when you know you're going to use V again), or he's so weak willed that he's not able to keep his word to anyone depending on who he's around in the moment. Neither makes a boyfriend you can depend on and trust.

    I'm not saying she's being right or fair in her judgements; but at the same time she's not being given the full information to make a 'more fair' decision about this whole thing. Hughie hasn't been honest with her about a ton of stuff and this is the only 'most recent stuff' she's found out about. As Hughie said, "I was hoping you wouldn't find out/wouldn't be here." That's his justification and explanation for why he feels he can break a promise to her -- rather than being honest with her in the first conversation (Fully honest) and how likely it could be that he'd use it again if he had the chance. Any number of other conversations that could have been had - rather than "no.. no I won't do that again. I promise! Its us against the world! You and me!"

    THAT is the rift. Nothing at all to do with Soldier Boy. Soldier Boy is just the circumstance around which Hughie got caught (this time.) But the issue between Starlight and Hughie is outside of that. And I can't believe she didn't dump him in that moment, honestly. Hughie is not, at all, treating with her the way he should be or how she deserves. And he needs to be held accountable for it.

    Myself - I'm finding it a bit hard to believe Frenchie hasn't informed them about SB's ability that removes-other-supes-abilities. I mean I get Frenchie is mad at them because of what happened with his 'new girlfriend' (sorry can't remember character name); but at the same time he also knows what they're after (weapon against Homelander) and that they have no idea that Homelander's ability totally wiped her powers away.

    So Butcher n'Co are going with "his boom might be bigger than Homelander's boom" as their best 'weapon" having no idea what Frenchie knows. It just seems a "reach" logically for plot-purposes of dragging it on rather than a realistic 'unknown' - as well as a 'reach' that Frenchie wouldn't tell them (or told them before he got Nina-grabbed). But maybe that's just me.
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  9. #789
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Why wouldn't she use a trick to get rid of Noir in half a second, instead of fighting a 2-hours duel with probably an 50/50 chance of winning ? I mean, always better to have a contingency plan.
    We haven't seen much about Maeve or Noir in action so far, (Maeve in S1E1 and in last episode of Season 2, punching Stormfront but 3v1 vs Noir only at Butcher's aunt's house, duel vs newly-freed Kimiko and against Naqlib ?) so difficult to tell what are the power levels.
    I'm just saying there's no reason to believe Maeve could "easily overpower" Noir. All we saw was her attack him from behind and then force feed him an almond joy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    If the Russians really wanted to kill Soldier Boy, couldn't they just drown him? No amount of super powers are going to save your body from a lack of oxygen.
    They clearly didn't want to just kill him. They wanted to use him to jumpstart their own Super program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    They clearly didn't want to just kill him. They wanted to use him to jumpstart their own Super program.
    If that were true, why was the "base" he was kept nearly abandoned? There were like 10 guards and a chainlink fence, you don't even need to be a supe to be able to storm that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    If that were true, why was the "base" he was kept nearly abandoned? There were like 10 guards and a chainlink fence, you don't even need to be a supe to be able to storm that.
    Because it wasn't going as planned? As seen in our present time Russians tend to give up military assets rather quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    If that were true, why was the "base" he was kept nearly abandoned? There were like 10 guards and a chainlink fence, you don't even need to be a supe to be able to storm that.
    Could very well be that they reached the end of there ropes with failure post losing the Cold War and didn’t see the sense and keeping a fully manned base doing nothing there.
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  13. #793
    I'm surprised that none of the characters have seemed interested in the gas the Russians were using that apparently knocked Soldier Boy out in seconds.

    Perhaps it's moot since they're not exactly going to go back and ask the Russians what it was, but seeing him knocked out cold instantly in the video would sure have had me thinking, "What is that and how can I get some in Homelanders face?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    I'm surprised that none of the characters have seemed interested in the gas the Russians were using that apparently knocked Soldier Boy out in seconds.

    Perhaps it's moot since they're not exactly going to go back and ask the Russians what it was, but seeing him knocked out cold instantly in the video would sure have had me thinking, "What is that and how can I get some in Homelanders face?"
    Ha! Thought the same thing... "Hey...there's that gas...?"

    My thought (as to why they might not be interested in that) more related to the idea that they want to "kill" Homelander, not just incapacitate him. Perhaps the idea that he'd 'wake up' at some point from the gas and so it wasn't a long term solution? Or perhaps the assumption that just because the gas knocks Soldier Boy out doesn't mean it would work on Homelander?

    Or perhaps its just speaking to Butcher's one sighted-tunnel vision, which he's already stated, "There is no Line with me..." And to Butcher if its not directly, immediately, "killing Homelander" he just doesn't see any alternatives or side-tracks to get to that goal. They're making it very evident Butcher is willing to sacrifice everything he may (or may not) stand for and all his friends just to be able to KILL HOMELANDER/SUPES and no other goal will suffice. So a gas that just makes it 'easier' to kill isn't even on his radar? (maybe...just coming up with theories lol).

    Not trying to look too deep into plot 'holes' (if you call it that) or anything; but it was something I was seeing and wondering the same as you - "Why can't that be useful somehow?" But as I'm not someone who normally rips into shows for sticking to tropes and not going with obvious answers (like "talking to each other") its also not something I'm saying is all that big of a deal. Just "things that make you go..hrmm?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Myself - I'm finding it a bit hard to believe Frenchie hasn't informed them about SB's ability that removes-other-supes-abilities. I mean I get Frenchie is mad at them because of what happened with his 'new girlfriend' (sorry can't remember character name); but at the same time he also knows what they're after (weapon against Homelander) and that they have no idea that Homelander's ability totally wiped her powers away.
    Oh, I just assume they all knew since they were all there when she was blasted, they all saw her not instantly regenerating, and they all spent a whole ass jet ride from Russia back to the States nursing her.

  16. #796
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    They clearly didn't want to just kill him. They wanted to use him to jumpstart their own Super program.
    Look at the flashbacks in the New York scene https://youtu.be/wAYMBmu_MNU?t=57
    Mainly the shooting into his mouth with a gun like that doesn't exactly scream wanting to start your own Super program. They were clearly trying to kill him for a few decades but nothing worked, so they just settled for putting him to sleep forever and forgetting about him.

    Likely they were researching for a good method for killing all other Supes.

  17. #797
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    I'm surprised that none of the characters have seemed interested in the gas the Russians were using that apparently knocked Soldier Boy out in seconds.

    Perhaps it's moot since they're not exactly going to go back and ask the Russians what it was, but seeing him knocked out cold instantly in the video would sure have had me thinking, "What is that and how can I get some in Homelanders face?"
    They had the gas at the Countess scene. MM mentions it by name....halcogene or something like that? It's in those little containers he's handing out to Butcher and Hughie.

  18. #798
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    They had the gas at the Countess scene. MM mentions it by name....halcogene or something like that? It's in those little containers he's handing out to Butcher and Hughie.
    Ok, what the hell...I must have looked away or something during that scene, because I spent the entire damn episode thinking about it and then I missed it right there?

    That's it, I'm out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    Look at the flashbacks in the New York scene https://youtu.be/wAYMBmu_MNU?t=57
    Mainly the shooting into his mouth with a gun like that doesn't exactly scream wanting to start your own Super program. They were clearly trying to kill him for a few decades but nothing worked, so they just settled for putting him to sleep forever and forgetting about him.

    Likely they were researching for a good method for killing all other Supes.
    They didn't go through the effort of capturing him just to kill him. They were experimenting on him for almost 3 decades. If they just wanted to put him to sleep forever they would put him in a rocket and fire him at the sun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordVargK View Post
    If that were true, why was the "base" he was kept nearly abandoned? There were like 10 guards and a chainlink fence, you don't even need to be a supe to be able to storm that.
    3 decades of experiments says they weren't just looking to kill him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    They didn't go through the effort of capturing him just to kill him. They were experimenting on him for almost 3 decades. If they just wanted to put him to sleep forever they would put him in a rocket and fire him at the sun.
    Going to have to refute what I replied with instead of repeating your initial post if you want this to go anywhere.

    In where universe is shooting Soldier Boy repeatedly in the mouth evidence of a scientific procedure meant to make other Supes... rather than just another attempt at killing him?

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