The Alliance Hates Goblins

[Super Dickmann]

Let's talk about Goblins. And how the Alliance absolutely loathes the fuckers. I think we can all agree that the Battle for Azeroth story could do with some nuance, and the Alliance and especially Anduin have been sorely lacking in it. They don't seem to be able to do anything really wrong to any of the races of the Horde. With one exception.

Goblins.

Over the course of the pre-event and then Battle for Azeroth itself, those poor guys are subjected to some terrible shit. The Alliance send trained assassins to murder miners while they do their jobs (Silithus questing), they summon a molten giant that turns into a fiery tornado to blow them away by the hundreds (First Part of the Alliance War Camapign) and when you go into Gallywix's Pleasure Palace later on, Umbric, a man aligned to the cosmic force of corruption and evil, lectures Gallywix about environmentalism and wealth inequality and then has you kill waitresses and sunbathers to amend this (Alliance War Campaign, the quest is I Take No Pleasure In This). I make this thread to bring attention to this and to tell you all that goblins are people too.

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The whole Dark Iron genocide on the Goblins is a gigantic warcrime that is played off as a lighthearted joke.

Yes, sure there is a similar quest about killing Gnomes in Uldir, but those Gnomes are not in the Alliance, they're sandgnomes and might not even be on the same level of sentience.

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Even in Cataclysm the alliance bombarded a goblin ship with goblin prisoners, they left the goblins to drown in their cells like rats.

[Daevelian]

Goblins are no more people than lalafells are people.

I wonder how long it will take for people to get that reference...

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I am glad over the course Sylvanas is taking with the horde, Alliance doesn't deserve other treatment.

[dean771]

they're sandgnomes and might not even be on the same level of sentience.

Sounds like how genocide is usually justified

[Nnyco]

when i learned anythin from mmo-c then it is that shit is only bad when the horde does it

[Varodoc]

The title is incorrect. They only hate the Bilgewater Cartel. Not the entire Goblin race. If I hate France, it doesn't mean that I hate the entire Human species. If the Alliance hated the entire Goblin race, then why didn't the armies of Stormwind descend upon Booty Bay to destroy it? Why do they tolerate the presence of a Goblin in the higher echelons of the SI:7?

Also, Umbric is not aligned with a force of evil. Like every other weapon, the Void has no morality, and it can do both good and evil depending on the user. In addition, the Void is not the only force in the cosmos that can corrupt minds. Even the Light can corrupt weak-minded individuals, the Lightbound are a clear example of this.

Lastly, let us not assume that those Goblin in Zuldazar were innocent. They were horribly desecrating sacred Troll ground, and they built their pleasure palace upon the suffering of their workers, who were effectively treated as slaves.

[Super Dickmann]

Amending the above a bit, having rewatched the quest, it's not just waitresses and sunbathers you kill, and they're not just goblins either. Umbric has you kill golfers as well as people of various Horde races just lounging around. Along with giving you an item that has you throw Horde diplomats into an eternal suffering in the void in the last part of the war campaign I think this guy might not quite be on the level.

The title is incorrect. They only hate the Bilgewater Cartel. Not the entire Goblin race. If I hate France, it doesn't mean that I hate the entire Human species. If the Alliance hated the entire Goblin race, then why didn't the armies of Stormwind descend upon Booty Bay to destroy it? Why do they tolerate the prsence of a Goblin in the higher echelons of the SI:7?

So what you're saying is that the Alliance don't hate goblins, really, their best friend is a goblin?

Lastly, let us not assume that those Goblin in Zuldazar were innocent. They were horribly desecrating sacred Troll ground, and they built their pleasure palace upon the suffering of their workers, who were effectively treated as slaves.

That's certainly an innovative way to frame it. I suggest you go to your local socialist party HQ and suggest to them that you could solve the problem of low-paying workers by killing them. After all, that way the total supply of poor people will decrease.

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The title is incorrect. They only hate the Bilgewater Cartel. Not the entire Goblin race. If I hate France, it doesn't mean that I hate the entire Human species. If the Alliance hated the entire Goblin race, then why didn't the armies of Stormwind descend upon Booty Bay to destroy it? Why do they tolerate the prsence of a Goblin in the higher echelons of the SI:7?

Also, Umbric is not aligned with a force of evil. Like every other weapon, the Void has no morality, and it can do both good and evil depending on the user. In addition, the Void is not the only force in the cosmos that can corrupt minds. Even the Light can corrupt weak-minded individuals, the Lightbound are a clear example of this.

Lastly, let us not assume that those Goblin in Zuldazar were innocent. They were horribly desecrating sacred Troll ground, and they built their pleasure palace upon the suffering of their workers, who were effectively treated as slaves.

Because Goblins are easily bought with gold and it's a common thing to hire mercenaries or buy intelligence. I believe also that the alliance is accepting the goblins of booty bay because they provide ship routes to Kalimdor and there are targets with higher priority. Stormwind can't even handle the defias outbreak in westfall, so why should they bother about booty bay?

Also, Silvermoon was built on holy troll ground too, yet nobody gave a fuck about that because they were perfect loot pinatas. And don't pretend like the alliance did a favour with killing those Goblins at the pleasure palace, where was the trial for them? The only consistency of the alliance is that they are inconsistent in their behaviour and understanding of justice and being noble.

[Magnagarde]

I like goblins, but the whole Silithus thing was purely on Gallywix and Sylvanas, who have gone ahead with the plan of stealing the world soul's lifeblood, jeopardizing all the efforts both the Horde and the Alliance have put into saving Azeroth in the first place. Many other voices of reason within the Horde, such as Saurfang, would've known better.

Suffice to say, a "Please don't steal our titan world soul's lifeblood because we're trying to save it. Thanks!" wouldn't have made Gallywix or Sylvanas rethink their actions in Silithus. Those goblins weren't only miners; they were thieves who sabotaged all the efforts both factions have put into saving Azeroth's world soul.

[Highwhale]

Meanwhile Top Alliance Number Two Spy is goblin...

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Wouldn't it be swell if Alliance took over Booty Bay in order to secure the whole contitent?

[Mehrunes]

The title is incorrect. They only hate the Bilgewater Cartel. Not the entire Goblin race. If I hate France, it doesn't mean that I hate the entire Human species. If the Alliance hated the entire Goblin race, then why didn't the armies of Stormwind descend upon Booty Bay to destroy it? Why do they tolerate the presence of a Goblin in the higher echelons of the SI:7?

In the previous war the Alliance acted against the Steamwheedle Cartel as well. And they attacked Bilgewater Cartel before it joined the Horde.

[Highwhale]

Wouldn't it be swell if Alliance took over Booty Bay in order to secure the whole contitent?

Booty Bay is neutral ground.

[Super Dickmann]

Idk why can't people understand this. A faction who sees no problem in using WMDs is mining a very very powerful substance and with their leader being someone who never sees any limit in using any kind of weapons, anyone with a bit of IQ knows that you should not let them to become this substance and according to the datamined dialogues horde used an azerite weapon during Teldrassil.

This argument is not as good as you think it is. For starters, until Magni told Anduin and Sylvanas, neither of them knew what the material was. The only one who knew anything about it was Gallywix, who knew it was powerful in a non-descript way and had already begun mining operations at that stage. This is another case of anti-goblin discrimination, because the alliance immediately jumps to the "Kill the workers" plan, without attempting contact. Something they do later on for things like Forsaken meeting their families.

Meanwhile Top Alliance Number Two Spy is goblin...

"No, really, officer, I have nothing against goblins, my best friend is a goblin!"

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More like. Alliance hate Horde

[Super Dickmann]

Horde was trying to harvest it in secret and kill anyone who knew about it. Yes they didn't know what it was but they could clearly see the tremendous power it held, it even made Anduin worried. Sorry but any sane person knows that Sylvanas doesn't want these things for peaceful purposes.

Yes, they were harvesting it so secretly they had giant rigs set up next to the sword and grinning robots to help them collect it. The Horde quest to kill people follows only after the agents were already present with the task to kill the goblins. And in case, Sylvanas' motive is irrelevant to the fact that the Alliance hit first and their solution was to kill goblin labourers, just like they do later at Zandalar and the Pleasure Palace.

[Verdugo]

The whole problem is her.

As a Night Elf fan, you should know that true problem is Stormwind and their Human Potential.

[Super Dickmann]

What? She is the core reason. She was made the warchief of the horde, she was that person who constantly used dangerous weapons like WMDs. Even after SoO Varian said that she should be contained but later she was made warchief.

Alliance definitely did the right thing in sabotaging their operation in Silithus. You just don't stand and wait until someone like Sylvanas blow you up with it. She even said that "this will change everything". She even wanted to kill her own sisters and raise them as undead "to serve her". She wants to destroy every living being. Try to accept it! The whole problem is her.

Sylvanas is irrelevant to the topic at hand as the Alliance isn't omniscient - they don't know what Sylvanas said in private, nor what the material does or what it can be used for. Anduin himself expresses ignorance and approves the operation that ends up killing goblins once Genn condemns them all as being greedy. The Alliance was willing to treat with the Forsaken and their deaths were portrayed as a tragedy, whereas whenever goblins are killed en masse it's done as a joke or downplayed. Those workers did nothing wrong. Beyond that, when the Alliance later incinerates hundreds of goblins or kills waitresses and sunbathers just chilling in the Pleasure Palace, Sylvanas was nowhere to be found.