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  1. #601
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    But he really doesn't. He clearly is supposed to be enemy you either save for last and keep him at long range where he can't really hurt you, or freeze other demons that chase you and use that window to quickly deal with him.

    I feel like alot of people just gets intimidated by the fact that he is immune to super weapons/cooldowns and think of him as some insane threat.
    More like depending on the arena and other enemies present he can either be stupid easy or frustratingly hard. He adds an unneeded complication to what is already a needlessly complicated game. Yes once you get used to him he isn't too bad but it doesn't change the fact that the game would be instantly improved if you removed him from the game. Maybe keep him for a one-off boss fight but other than that players don't wanna deal with him.

  2. #602
    Quote Originally Posted by everydaygamer View Post
    It's not even a matter of difficulty its the fact that when he shows up you have to drop everything and focus on him which wouldn't be so bad if he didn't require to literally rethink how you play only for that one encounter.
    Focusing on him right off the bat is the worst move you can make. You would literally being a WoW mob attacking the tank over the DPS. For all his dashing bluster the Marauder isn't that mobile and you have several ways of outrunning him, you definitely should save him for last. The dog can be an annoyance, but he's also free armor once you master the super shotty.

    Only change I'd make to the Marauder is make the Blood Punch lower his shield for a few seconds, and the Crucible remove it entirely, so you can be more proactive about dealing with him. But in terms of forcing you to change your tactics, I'd argue the Arch-Vile is worse.

  3. #603
    Quote Originally Posted by everydaygamer View Post
    He adds an unneeded complication to what is already a needlessly complicated game.
    The game is definitely not needlessly complicated.It's the exact kind of complication Doomers and Quake fans wanted.If you don't want complicated stuff in your shooters,you're not the target audience for Id Software's games

  4. #604
    Quote Originally Posted by ONCHEhap View Post
    The game is definitely not needlessly complicated.It's the exact kind of complication Doomers and Quake fans wanted.If you don't want complicated stuff in your shooters,you're not the target audience for Id Software's games
    I suspect there are a fair amount of people who are not Quake fans that enjoyed Doom 2016 and don't like the more arcade feel of Eternal.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  5. #605
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I suspect there are a fair amount of people who are not Quake fans that enjoyed Doom 2016 and don't like the more arcade feel of Eternal.
    Then the game is not for them, i dont feel it arcade if something it feels more doom than doom 2016, and even more after the second doom gate and later levels when the game start throwing at you everything but the kitchen sink

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    Honestly everyone knows what the worst enemy really is - its purple goo.

  7. #607
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Honestly everyone knows what the worst enemy really is - its purple goo.
    Yeah that's one thing I really can't defend,it adds nothing good to the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    I suspect there are a fair amount of people who are not Quake fans that enjoyed Doom 2016 and don't like the more arcade feel of Eternal.
    The "arcade" and colourful nature of the game is there for a very good reason
    The game is meant to be played at maximum speed and verticality,and can be extremely punishing at higher skill levels,that means you need to be able to identify everything at a single glance.

    Thanks to the colour scheme they chose,you can do that.
    If you look somewhere and see a colour,you know exactly what you're looking at

    -Light blue is health
    -Light green is armour
    -Red is shotgun shells
    -Dark green is bullets
    -Purple is plasma ammo
    -Orange is rockets.

    You also have obvious medikits that do exactly what you think they do.

    Now that the core gameplay has such a colourful and arcady theme,it would be jarring to have everything else out of combat be realistic,and since combat is by far the most important part of the game,you want to adapt the rest of the game to it and not the other way around

  8. #608
    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Honestly everyone knows what the worst enemy really is - its purple goo.
    Also, the tentacles which only exist to surprise smack you and waste your ammo.

  9. #609
    I didn't particularly enjoy the more humourous and arcade approach. A few good lines that made me laugh, but I think they took the memes and jokes made from 2016 and built the game off that. I'm expecting Animal Crossing to show up in the next game.

  10. #610
    Quote Originally Posted by azkhane View Post
    Then the game is not for them, i dont feel it arcade if something it feels more doom than doom 2016, and even more after the second doom gate and later levels when the game start throwing at you everything but the kitchen sink
    And I hope you can understand that there is an entire generation of gamers that never played the original Doom (or Quake) who enjoyed Doom 2016 and complain that the sequel moved away from what they enjoyed.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrashi View Post
    Honestly everyone knows what the worst enemy really is - its purple goo.
    Its not only the worst enemy, its also the most wierdest xD Like, who would have thought, that high speed DOOM would have an element in the game, that forced you to walk for long periods of time xD
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  12. #612
    recently finished on ultra violence and started a campaign on nightmare.
    for me its the best fps since half life. without a doubt.

    after finishing on UV i went back and tried playing doom 2016. its acutally unplayable for me now
    eternal has improved on every aspect.

    regarding the marauder: i personally enjoyed the encounters. in a game that is mostly about projectile avoidance and crowd control, some 1v1 fights mixed in there are a nice interruption for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ONCHEhap View Post
    If you don't want complicated stuff in your shooters,you're not the target audience for Id Software's games
    That is wierd, cause i for example loved DOOM 2016, which is an Id Software game and it was not complicated at all. Seems like you don't know what games Id Software have made apperantly.

    But on a more serious note, DOOM Eternal is really a bit too overcomplicated. Like come on, you have 5 buttons for extra stuff outside of shooting.... 5!! And they all have a CD you gotta watch! Most games have 2 or 3, but going to 5 is a bit too much. Like, for most of my playthrough, i avoided using granades, because they were just too much to use. They were not crucial, so they just went unused, since i had already enough CDs to keep my eyes on.

    For me, it would have been enough if they had added the sword or flame thrower, but adding both, plus having the melee be a build up is just over encumbering.
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  14. #614
    I got kinda worried reading some of the negativity and online reviews about this game but damn is it fun as hell..

    I find the monkeying around from place to place, flame throwering, chainsawing for resources extremely satisfying when you chain a bunch of life saving actions in a pinch.. I also don't think remembering and utilizing all the skills available is complicated but to each their own I guess
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    Thank's for the link

  16. #616
    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    But on a more serious note, DOOM Eternal is really a bit too overcomplicated. Like come on, you have 5 buttons for extra stuff outside of shooting.... 5!! And they all have a CD you gotta watch! Most games have 2 or 3, but going to 5 is a bit too much. Like, for most of my playthrough, i avoided using granades, because they were just too much to use. They were not crucial, so they just went unused, since i had already enough CDs to keep my eyes on.

    For me, it would have been enough if they had added the sword or flame thrower, but adding both, plus having the melee be a build up is just over encumbering.
    Kind of dovetails with my feeling that the game took some elements further than they needed to go, as sometimes less is more.

    Only equipment ability that I notice (even though I don't think it counts as equipment) is the chain saw refilling, because it makes a pretty unique sound... which I can sometimes hear in the middle of the carnage if I'm kiting. Perhaps I tend to notice audio cues WAY more readily than visual ones, but even the visual ones for the grenades/chainsaw/runes/punch/sword are so tiny and/or unassuming, and I'm not even if sure if all of them have an audio warning. If you're in the thick of battle (especially on harder difficulties), looking away to glance at the status of your equipment can literally kill you or put you in a precarious situation (I tend to use the slow time rune then check). Low ammo warning is pretty tell-tale with an audio and visual cue that's hard to miss, same with the dash recharge sound... but everything else is pretty lacking.

    In general it feels like they had a committee sit down, gather up all the cool things they could think of, then just threw them all into the game and tried to make it work. Call me crazy, the only clear improvements over DOOM 2016 in terms of equipment that I liked in Eternal are the recharging single use of the chainsaw (kind of has to be there with how ammo is balanced), the freeze grenade, and the ability to dash if we're counting that. I get the lore reason for the sword, but I'm not a fan of how it's implemented. The punch is a hard pass compared to DOOM 2016 version, especially in its base state... in fact, I'd rather the sword have this game's punch system, building up power as you glory kill stuff, and they left the punch like in DOOM 2016. With how things are balanced, I'd assume the sword was implemented as is because of how the chainsaw gets almost exclusively used on minions for ammo, so they needed two weapons to solve a problem created by their ammo system getting changed . You can get enough gas to mow down some larger enemies occasionally, but more often than not I found myself at 2 or less fuel because I needed ammo before going into a fight.

    Also, I think the armor crystal system (forget its exact name) is going a bit too far. Upgrading HP/armor/ammo is fine, but the shoe-horned abilities you get should be in the praetor armor system... especially with how some of them are really dumb and pointless *cough* map/exploration section *cough*. It's another area where I swear they had a bunch of progression system ideas, and threw them all together, and I personally feel it came out worse than DOOM 2016.

    Don't get me wrong, still a fun game, I just think Eternal does some things better than DOOM 2016 while also doing some things worse and being a slight net negative compared to its predecessor.
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  17. #617
    Finished it, liked it.. last boss fight was a letdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    Kind of dovetails with my feeling that the game took some elements further than they needed to go, as sometimes less is more.

    Only equipment ability that I notice (even though I don't think it counts as equipment) is the chain saw refilling, because it makes a pretty unique sound... which I can sometimes hear in the middle of the carnage if I'm kiting. Perhaps I tend to notice audio cues WAY more readily than visual ones, but even the visual ones for the grenades/chainsaw/runes/punch/sword are so tiny and/or unassuming, and I'm not even if sure if all of them have an audio warning. If you're in the thick of battle (especially on harder difficulties), looking away to glance at the status of your equipment can literally kill you or put you in a precarious situation (I tend to use the slow time rune then check). Low ammo warning is pretty tell-tale with an audio and visual cue that's hard to miss, same with the dash recharge sound... but everything else is pretty lacking.

    In general it feels like they had a committee sit down, gather up all the cool things they could think of, then just threw them all into the game and tried to make it work. Call me crazy, the only clear improvements over DOOM 2016 in terms of equipment that I liked in Eternal are the recharging single use of the chainsaw (kind of has to be there with how ammo is balanced), the freeze grenade, and the ability to dash if we're counting that. I get the lore reason for the sword, but I'm not a fan of how it's implemented. The punch is a hard pass compared to DOOM 2016 version, especially in its base state... in fact, I'd rather the sword have this game's punch system, building up power as you glory kill stuff, and they left the punch like in DOOM 2016. With how things are balanced, I'd assume the sword was implemented as is because of how the chainsaw gets almost exclusively used on minions for ammo, so they needed two weapons to solve a problem created by their ammo system getting changed . You can get enough gas to mow down some larger enemies occasionally, but more often than not I found myself at 2 or less fuel because I needed ammo before going into a fight.

    Also, I think the armor crystal system (forget its exact name) is going a bit too far. Upgrading HP/armor/ammo is fine, but the shoe-horned abilities you get should be in the praetor armor system... especially with how some of them are really dumb and pointless *cough* map/exploration section *cough*. It's another area where I swear they had a bunch of progression system ideas, and threw them all together, and I personally feel it came out worse than DOOM 2016.

    Don't get me wrong, still a fun game, I just think Eternal does some things better than DOOM 2016 while also doing some things worse and being a slight net negative compared to its predecessor.
    I have a feeling like the design meet a "Simpsons Bolivian Tree Lizard Problem" at some point. They created a feature to deal with a problem, but that feature created another problem. So they added a new feature to solve the previous problem, but that added another problem, and so on.

    Like the low ammo requires the chainsaw, but the chainsaw requires small enemies, so they spawn a lot of small enemies, but that clotters the screen, so they reduce the number of big enemies and make them tougher instead, but then they are too hard to kill, so they add the sword for later in the game, so they can again spawn more big enemies............. It get complicated really really quickly.

    I think you are very right, when it comes to the idea committee and i think the Sentinel Ship and UI is proven choice. The hub has like 4 floors filled with all kinds of stuff, that all connects to the huge UI with 3 upgrade screens. Instead of just adding 1 or 2 new things for this sequel, they added a billion things, as if somebody at their design meetings did not say "maybe we have enough" at any point xD
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  19. #619
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaerd View Post
    Finished it, liked it.. last boss fight was a letdown.
    it's a clear reference to MAP30 from Doom 2,with the constant summoning of demons,except the boss actually fights this time.

    But having to do the exact same thing twice in a row in two different arenas is weird tbh,I feel like only having the second phase would have been enough for example.
    All in all it's still nice to have a proper boss fight for the Icon of Sin this time around,even if it could have been better

  20. #620
    just finished the game, easily a 10/10 from me. The game got more complicated and made you use your arsenal to beat every encounter. Didn't love all the platforming, but it didn't take away from the game either. They took DOOM 2016 and improved all systems and made the best shooter I've played in a LONG time.

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