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  1. #261
    Quote Originally Posted by caballitomalo View Post
    Tinker is the most asked for class, second only to Demon Hun... err... second to none. Now with those "artificers" from argus and the long standing tradition of goblin sappers and gnome engineers/tinkers, theres more than enough lore to base the class on.

    Sapper can be range class with guns, turrets, bombs, missiles and all the demolition vibe.
    Artificer could be a tank class with a warframe shape shift.
    Apothecary could serve as a healer spec based on chemicals and devices, think of it as a field medic.

    Tinker, for the win.
    Always thought it would be cool if each spec had it's own mech...but that would limit the class to only gnome/goblin pretty much...but I'd still make a gobby just to play it.
    It's like Blizzard telling me I can't have a steak because there aren't enough cows left, but then tell me I can have as many hamburgers as I could possibly eat. That is exactly their logic with Void Elves which literally leaves no excuse as to why there can't be High Elves.

    https://youtu.be/C2Sr-sadSk4 - Check it out, it's enlightening.

  2. #262
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    Congrats...you came up with 3 rather generic names...now fill out all 3 of them with unique abilities. (And no stealing from other classes)
    What class in the game has 100% unique mechanics that are incomparable to any other class?

    Even the Death Knight has the same DoTs, melee strikes, AoE's, summons and defensive cooldowns as any other class in the game. Death Grip is arguably the only unique thing about them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    I dissagree with the void tho.. there is nothing that resembles a Dark ranger with the void tbh. Alleria is not a Dark ranger.
    https://wow.gamepedia.com/Dark_ranger I think we should stick to this, but expand not change. We already have the void elves to fill that gap.
    Alleria could be a Dark Ranger if she were to be killed and ressurected.

    I mean, we have characters like Saurfang's son, Nazgrim, the former king of Stromgarde and Whitemane all becoming prominent Death Knights. It's not a stretch for them to expand on Dark Rangers and making more of them out of existing characters, especially to promote a new class.
    Last edited by Thimagryn; Yesterday at 06:20 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Real" Demon Hunters don't work as a class in modern WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

  3. #263
    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    Alleria could be a Dark Ranger if she were to be killed and ressurected.
    Ye sure she can, but like..why?that isn't going to happen.., and that isn't what I ment wih expanding

  4. #264
    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    What class in the game has 100% unique mechanics that are incomparable to any other class?

    Even the Death Knight has the same DoTs, melee strikes, AoE's, summons and defensive cooldowns as any other class in the game. Death Grip is arguably the only unique thing about them.

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    Alleria could be a Dark Ranger if she were to be killed and ressurected.
    Yeah because so many other classes do diseases? You're right...I forgot about the plague Mage...or the Rogue that can dish fevers about...oh can't forget about the pestilence spreading Shaman!

    Oh where is my head...I forgot the Priest who raises Ghouls!

    Don't Hunters use death and decay to?

    In all seriousness...still doesn't fill out the class with abilities just to claim that they all are the same.
    It's like Blizzard telling me I can't have a steak because there aren't enough cows left, but then tell me I can have as many hamburgers as I could possibly eat. That is exactly their logic with Void Elves which literally leaves no excuse as to why there can't be High Elves.

    https://youtu.be/C2Sr-sadSk4 - Check it out, it's enlightening.

  5. #265
    Quote Originally Posted by Jujudrood View Post
    Dark Ranger should replace Surv for Hunter.
    Then, make BM a melee spec because it only makes sense that BMs would get in the mix with their pets and fight melee, all scratching and clawing with melee weapons alongside their companions.
    Like, Survival doesn't sound to me like running face first into a throng of enemies, but rather the opposite (attack from afar, use tricks/traps to get away), or, you know, to survive...
    DR can be the new SV spec, complete with all the magic-y attacks, while MM remains the true phys damage archer spec and BM the "go tear shit up with my wolf in melee and do phys/nature damage and junk" spec.

    Making a whole 2-3 spec class for DR would be, well, boring, because it's really shoe-horned into one theme.
    Making a healer or tank version would feel forced and having a true ranged dps that doesn't differ much from hunter would feel sloppy.
    DR can even use shadowy style pets infused with dark magics (think priest shadow form).
    That would be fun.

    But anywho, TL;DR - I'd like DR as a spec.
    I've been saying this for years. I wish they'd explore classes more with specs. DR absolutely makes sense for a hunter spec.

  6. #266
    Quote Originally Posted by Sorotia View Post
    Yeah because so many other classes do diseases? You're right...I forgot about the plague Mage...or the Rogue that can dish fevers about...oh can't forget about the pestilence spreading Shaman!
    Diseases are just a DoT.

    If the name and type of DoT are all you want to be a 'unique ability', then we can bullshit create any kind of special DoT type for Dark Rangers, right? Simple. Dark Rangers shoot arrows and use spells that cause Wither, an homage to Withering Fire from Heroes of the Storm. Done.

    To make Wither different from other DoTs, we make them work more like Holy DoT's and have it shorter duration than a Curse, Bleed or Disease, but necessary to the Dark Ranger rotation and synergy. Make it work like Lunara's mechanics in Heroes where many of her abilities only affect targets with 'Wither' applied.

    Oh where is my head...I forgot the Priest who raises Ghouls!
    Druids cast Treants though.

    Don't Hunters use death and decay to?
    Paladins have Consecration. Same mechanics.

    In all seriousness...still doesn't fill out the class with abilities just to claim that they all are the same.
    You kind of killed your previous argument then if you don't consider abilities with similar mechanics as being the same. If are willing to accept taking spells from another class and reskinning it with a different magic type or model, then there's no worry about filling 3 specs with 'unique mechanics'.

    You could literally take a basic Hunter and throw in some casted spells and DoTs and theme it around Banshees and you've got your Dark Ranger. Just look at Heroes of the Storm for what I mean. Like I've said before, the Dark Ranger has all the trappings to be Blizzard's version of a (dark and edgy) Bard. They use bows, they cast magic, they wail songs of death; all you have to do is theme it with edgy darkness and a you have a Dark Ranger that feels and plays very differently from a Hunter or Death Knight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Ye sure she can, but like..why?that isn't going to happen.., and that isn't what I ment wih expanding
    Why? The same reason they brought Illidan back despite him being dead since TBC...

    To move the story forward, to promote a new class, to simply be fanservice.

    And I wouldn't count anything as 'isn't going to happen'. They turned a warchief into a raidboss who goes back in time into an alternate universe, they killed the Alliance King's personal guardian and make him into the Lich King, they made a light-based champion into a genocidal tyrant. These plot twists get added in content patches....
    Last edited by Thimagryn; Yesterday at 06:50 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Real" Demon Hunters don't work as a class in modern WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

  7. #267
    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    Diseases are just a DoT.

    If the name and type of DoT are all you want to be a 'unique ability', then we can bullshit create any kind of special DoT type for Dark Rangers, right? Simple. Dark Rangers shoot arrows and use spells that cause Wither, an homage to Withering Fire from Heroes of the Storm. Done.

    To make Wither different from other DoTs, we make them work more like Holy DoT's and have it shorter duration than a Curse, Bleed or Disease, but necessary to the Dark Ranger rotation and synergy. Make it work like Lunara's mechanics in Heroes where many of her abilities only affect targets with 'Wither' applied.



    Druids cast Treants though.



    Paladins have Consecration. Same mechanics.



    You kind of killed your previous argument then if you don't consider abilities with similar mechanics as being the same. If are willing to accept taking spells from another class and reskinning it with a different magic type or model, then there's no worry about filling 3 specs with 'unique mechanics'.

    You could literally take a basic Hunter and throw in some casted spells and DoTs and theme it around Banshees and you've got your Dark Ranger. Just look at Heroes of the Storm for what I mean. Like I've said before, the Dark Ranger has all the trappings to be Blizzard's version of a (dark and edgy) Bard. They use bows, they cast magic, they wail songs of death; all you have to do is theme it with edgy darkness and a you have a Dark Ranger that feels and plays very differently from a Hunter or Death Knight.

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    Why? The same reason they brought Illidan back despite him being dead since TBC...

    To move the story forward, to promote a new class, to simply be fanservice.

    And I wouldn't count anything as 'isn't going to happen'. They turned a warchief into a raidboss who goes back in time into an alternate universe, they killed the Alliance King's personal guardian and make him into the Lich King, they made a light-based champion into a genocidal tyrant. These plot twists get added in content patches....
    We are talking about dark rangers... sorry, but this is just stupid, alleria isnt a dark ranger and is embracing the void in current story, there is only fanfiction about alleria becoming a dark ranger and there are no clues or hints about becoming one, eo let this rest..

  8. #268
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    We are talking about dark rangers... sorry, but this is just stupid, alleria isnt a dark ranger and is embracing the void in current story, there is only fanfiction about alleria becoming a dark ranger and there are no clues or hints about becoming one, eo let this rest..
    Its funny that you think its fanfiction and at the same time we are talking about a classic Warcraft 2 High Elf hero who.. suddenly embraces a new type of dark magic that she never would be associated with before Legion.

    I'm just saying, if they kill her off and res her, then she can be a Dark Ranger. No different than any if the possibilities like Jaina or Sylvanas becoming future Lich King or Thrall becoming an Aspect of the Earth. It doesnt mean we all want it to happen, rather it it just a possibilty and you cant say it wont happen.

    As for no hints... Did you even READ the Windrunner comic that just came out?

    "I will never betray my sisters..." (the possible lie)

    "In the end, they will all serve me"

    No hints. Yeah.
    Last edited by Thimagryn; Today at 12:13 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    "Real" Demon Hunters don't work as a class in modern WoW
    Quote Originally Posted by Talen View Post
    Please point out to me the player Demon Hunter who has Meta.

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