Really? Grown up?

[RoKPaNda]

When Vanilla WoW came out I was 18, and most people that I played with were older than I was. That said the entire MMO market has changed over the years to be more accessible. If we're realistic going from a streamlined modern MMO like WoW or FFXIV to something like Vanilla WoW isn't going to really be appealing. I understand that there are a lot of people playing on private servers trying to recreate their first MMO experience or whatever, and when Classic is released I'll definitely try it, but I don't have the free time each week to dedicate to an MMO that I did when I was 18.

[epLe]

People assume Vanilla takes a large time investment and use nostalgia fallacies to invalidate anyone who actually just enjoys the game mechanics, pacing, and rules. All while totally without comprehension that Vanilla won't take that much time to be successful in. It never has. Nor did TBC. We all had careers, raided 3 nights a week, sometimes four, and cleared all of TBC content in my guild.

People who say otherwise are fucking retarded.

The difference between Vanilla and now, was that Vanilla leveling WAS the game, and now leveling is the barrier to end game just like attunements were the barrier to raiding. That is why I want Vanilla back, because leveling and adventuring with a young (as in fresh character) community base is what Vanilla was all about.

Just to raid in TBC was vastly easier than to raid in Vanilla.
Prepation wise, No more Pot stacking, easy access to flasks, no world buffs, in addition to the obvious catchup gear.
In raids, the difficulty from Naxx 40 to t4 and T5 raids was a huge let down, there was no need to reset the difficulty curve every expansion.
Then you had all the organizational differenses from managing a 50~man raidsquad, compared to the half size.

There is some truth to what you try to say regarding "what it took", but you paint a totally wrong picture.

[Deleted]

So please do not see your own experience as something that goes for everyone

Can you see the irony?

[NihilSustinet]

I am kinda fed up with every "kid" here thinking that WoW was played only by kids, simply because of the fact that they were kids when they started playing.

You guys do not remember not being invited to raiding guilds because you were 12-18?
You guys do not remember that if you actually were invited to a guild that a lot of players there were far above your age?

So seriously... cut the crap out of every other thread saying that no one has time for this game because "they have grown up".

I started playing WC 1 when I was 15/16. So when WoW came out I was 25/26. Think I had a lot of growing up to do? Think that most of my guildies were 25-65 (yes we had someone that was that old).

The only thing I can imagine you "kiddies" thinking that everyone was a kid was basically because you only socialised with kids. No adult would really want to be spending a lot of time with you and you not with them either. So you get "kids" guilds like "Kenoklubben" or "Tailfeelssogood".

Growing up or having a higher number for your age does not mean you do not have time. The only thing that makes you not have time are choices in life or the priorities you have to set. Gaming is just a little lower on the ladder if you have a family or a busy job or just different interests because you have changed.

When I was 25/33 I played WoW 100% of my free time. Then I wanted a serious relationship and sorta quit cold turkey (later on just casually playing). I already had bought a house and had a great job. So... is that adult enough? Many I met in WoW were the same.

So please do not see your own experience as something that goes for everyone or feel that the actual adults back then were a minority.

Wow came out when i was 22. i was in top 100 (horde) raiding guilds for most of vanilla, and most people were around my age or older (a lot of former EQ players). A few kids around 18 here and there, but they were mostly immature and problematic to the raid environment. No one under 18 was ever allowed in almost any of my guilds, as far a I remember.

[Coombs]

Just to raid in TBC was vastly easier than to raid in Vanilla.
Prepation wise, No more Pot stacking, easy access to flasks, no world buffs, in addition to the obvious catchup gear.
In raids, the difficulty from Naxx 40 to t4 and T5 raids was a huge let down, there was no need to reset the difficulty curve every expansion.
Then you had all the organizational differenses from managing a 50~man raidsquad, compared to the half size.

There is some truth to what you try to say regarding "what it took", but you paint a totally wrong picture.

I stand by raiding taking slightly longer in Vanilla because wrangling 40 people who have never been on time in their life, or kept wiping to other faction raids while trying to get into the zone, held raids up. Preparation took a bit, but we had many people in the guild who couldn't make raids, but loved being in the guild, and they would farm that shit for us during the day. Also you didn't need to pot stack unless you were pushing ridiculous progression, and you can still clear a good bit of Vanilla raiding 3-4 days a week for a few hours.

Everquest is a fucking time sink and grind. Vanilla is a stroll.

[Vaelorian]

Can you see the irony?

You aren't the first to comment this. But you are the first I will react to.
No I do not see the irony as I have not said that only adults played WoW when I played Vanilla. But it seems a lot of posters who were kids back then are doing exactly that when they say: I don't have time for WoW Vanilla because I have grown up etc etc etc. I know full well kids played back then as I tried to avoid them as much as possible. Not saying I did not have "kids" that were 16 in my guild. We had a few but those were really cool and long lasting, with a good adult-like sense of humour and no mom taking their internet away. But that is a different topic.

edit: If you are commenting on the idea that is passing iaround n this very thread that I am "kid-like" simply because I made this thread and not be adult-like to ignore posters such as the ones I am "triggered" by ... Well... I don't know how bad it is to be triggered. And how severe you or anyone thinks "triggered" means in terms of anger or some similar emotion.
I actually feel sad anytime someone writes something similar that "I should just not post such a topic because I am accusing someone for being kidlike while being kidlike for writing something in such a way that people find kidlike".
I am not accusing anyone. I am simply stating that these "kiddies" from Vanilla WoW come on these boards and think they are the only group of players that WoW had. Even worse: They think adults back then were a minority.

The thing is if you read this often enough as an adult (and I have lived on these boards for a long time) yeah it "triggers" me. And even though I accomplish nothing with posting about it. It felt good.

[Segus1992]

No I get triggered everytime by these people assuming there were no one older then they were when they played. Entire threads are written by assumption their age catagory was the only one.

You can get triggered all you like, but you have to understand that that generation is the majority of the people who played in Vanilla and still play today. Those who were 18+ in Vanilla are mostly not interested in the game anymore.

[NihilSustinet]

People assume Vanilla takes a large time investment and use nostalgia fallacies to invalidate anyone who actually just enjoys the game mechanics, pacing, and rules. All while totally without comprehension that Vanilla won't take that much time to be successful in. It never has. Nor did TBC. We all had careers, raided 3 nights a week, sometimes four, and cleared all of TBC content in my guild.

People who say otherwise are fucking retarded.

The difference between Vanilla and now, was that Vanilla leveling WAS the game, and now leveling is the barrier to end game just like attunements were the barrier to raiding. That is why I want Vanilla back, because leveling and adventuring with a young (as in fresh character) community base is what Vanilla was all about.

3 nights a week was certainly enough to clear content, just not to do it quickly.

[Coombs]

3 nights a week was certainly enough to clear content, just not to do it quickly.

Not to do it in record time, but fast enough if you didn't fuck around to be a top guild on a server.

[NihilSustinet]

Not to do it in record time, but fast enough if you didn't fuck around to be a top guild on a server.

depending on the server, maybe.

[Coombs]

depending on the server, maybe.

Lol you don't need to raid 6 nights a week to be a top guild on any server. Only if you are pushing for world firsts.

[Unholyground]

I raided when I was like 18/19 through 22, then it became a chore and there were many other games to play which were > raiding.

[NihilSustinet]

Lol you don't need to raid 6 nights a week to be a top guild on any server. Only if you are pushing for world firsts.

Every server I was on, especially when raiding really picked up in popularity during TBC, had multiple guilds pushing for server first, and were only a few days or up to a couple weeks behind world first. only on low pop servers could semi casual guilds compete, for the most part.

[Vaelorian]

Newsflash - when WoW started it was mainly adults playing, kids didn't start playing until later.

Dude that is exactly what I am saying. So while I appriciate the comment in the thread, you did not need to state to me that it is news... as it clearly is not. But (vanilla)kids seem to think so...

[Coombs]

Every server I was on, especially when raiding really picked up in popularity during TBC, had multiple guilds pushing for server first, and were only a few days or up to a couple weeks behind world first. only on low pop servers could semi casual guilds compete, for the most part.

I wouldn't call ~20 hours a week of raiding casual.

[The Stormbringer]

I was like 15-16 when I started playing just before BC. I'm almost 30 now. I can say, however, that the people I played with were typically at least a little older than I was.

[Deleted]

When I started, I remember lying that I was 15, even though I was shockingly only 14. The guild I applied to had no age restriction, if you just were a decent player. In my mind, the gap between 14 and 15 was a big thing, I guess.

[Zeerus]

I wish I was so young when WoW came out, I was 21 in 2004. Got WoW in early 2005 at 22 years old, I am now 35 :*(

I was 20 when it came out, now 34. /highfive

[Dellis0991]

I never assumed wow was played by any specific age group about half the people in my old guild was adults of different ages back then.

[Deathquoi]

When Vanilla WoW came out I was 18, and most people that I played with were older than I was. That said the entire MMO market has changed over the years to be more accessible. If we're realistic going from a streamlined modern MMO like WoW or FFXIV to something like Vanilla WoW isn't going to really be appealing. I understand that there are a lot of people playing on private servers trying to recreate their first MMO experience or whatever, and when Classic is released I'll definitely try it, but I don't have the free time each week to dedicate to an MMO that I did when I was 18.

This is how I feel. I was also 18 when I started playing. I was in college and my girlfriend at the time was going to school 800 miles away. Outside of classes and work, I had a lot of free time. I would play from when I got home from class until like 1 or 2 AM, and sometimes all night on the weekends. It was crazy. I can’t imagine sinking that amount of time into the game now that I’m in my early 30s with a full time job, a wife, a house that requires lots of attention, etc.

Not everyone was a kid when they started, but most of the people I played with were in their early 20s at most and most of them have stopped playing or cut their play time way back like me.