If There's a Beta, Will You Participate or Wait Till Release to Get Your Classic Fix.

[Redwyrm]

Many times before expansions are released, people eagerly accept beta invites to get into the game early. Whether it's to test a raid to get a head start on progression or see how your class plays, etc.

But with Vanilla, the beta experience may be detrimental to the nostalgia feeling (of playing the finalized game) a lot of people are looking to satiate. So, the question is, if there's a beta for Vanilla will you participate?

[Deficineiron]

Many times before expansions are released, people eagerly accept beta invites to get into the game early. Whether it's to test a raid to get a head start on progression or see how your class plays, etc.

But with Vanilla, the beta experience may be detrimental to the nostalgia feeling (of playing the finalized game) a lot of people are looking to satiate. So, the question is, if there's a beta for Vanilla will you participate?

The bold part seems to carry a substantial element of presumption.

I made a poll based on this to help you determine if your premise even has much validity.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lassic-servers

[Soon-TM]

Many times before expansions are released, people eagerly accept beta invites to get into the game early. Whether it's to test a raid to get a head start on progression or see how your class plays, etc.

But with Vanilla, the beta experience may be detrimental to the nostalgia feeling (of playing the finalized game) a lot of people are looking to satiate. So, the question is, if there's a beta for Vanilla will you participate?

Huge assumption there.

More on topic, I will sure play beta in order to hunt (or at least, try to hunt) any stealth changes that good ol' Blizz might try to slip under the table.

[Ryjax]

you people are fuckin autistic

[Deficineiron]

Huge assumption there.

More on topic, I will sure play beta in order to hunt (or at least, try to hunt) any stealth changes that good ol' Blizz might try to slip under the table.

you have seen my thoughts on this. aside from those, what else can you think of that would be reasonably hard to actually quantify vs. vanilla?

[Soon-TM]

you have seen my thoughts on this. aside from those, what else can you think of that would be reasonably hard to actually quantify vs. vanilla?

Things like spawn/drop rates, and mob armour or damage (especially with spells) are likely to go under the radar if they are nerfed/buffed slightly, let's say by 5%. Anything else and it would be noticed, sooner or later, by some smart old guy

[FelPlague]

The bold part seems to carry a substantial element of presumption.

I made a poll based on this to help you determine if your premise even has much validity.

https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...lassic-servers

It is the largest vote, and you have a very small sample size, and you are also on a forum where most of the people on here are people who play alot more then the average person.

I love how you post your poll as a "See your wrong" but it proved them actually right.

but again you have an insanly small sample size so.
the average player who will play for nostalgia will enter blind, therefore they are not here discussing it on these forums, so i would confidently say if you did this poll in actual game nostalgia would be much higher.\

cause based on what a nostalgia player will want from it, they will be laot less likely to be hanging out here on the forums, where the other options would be much more likely to be here.

[Deficineiron]

It is the largest vote, and you have a very small sample size, and you are also on a forum where most of the people on here are people who play alot more then the average person.

I love how you post your poll as a "See your wrong" but it proved them actually right.

but again you have an insanly small sample size so.
the average player who will play for nostalgia will enter blind, therefore they are not here discussing it on these forums, so i would confidently say if you did this poll in actual game nostalgia would be much higher.\

cause based on what a nostalgia player will want from it, they will be laot less likely to be hanging out here on the forums, where the other options would be much more likely to be here.

The poll is interesting. I don't mind being wrong when some data is provided, rather than a rather broad assertation. I am surprised by people choosing nostalgia, but then again most folks aren't actively playing on 1.12 servers now, I assume. I do, so for me it isn't a nostalgia issue, it is a game version preference issue. I prefer 1.12.1 over anything> 3.4.3, for my purposes.

I made a few errors in choices - needed to include 'community/friends' as 1 or 2 choices, as well as 'trying classic for first time.' I did make my list before doing the poll but never even thought of those two items (neither applies to me). Oh well. For my own curiousity I should have made 'classic AV' its own choice separate from more general bg one.

we can revisit this once the poll is over 100-200 votes. the bigger issue is the fact the poll is in the classic wow section of mmo-c. if anything, it is interesting that people are coming to this forum to vote 'won't play it.'
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Things like spawn/drop rates, and mob armour or damage (especially with spells) are likely to go under the radar if they are nerfed/buffed slightly, let's say by 5%. Anything else and it would be noticed, sooner or later, by some smart old guy

Mob armor is a trickier one than damage since it leaves the same mob health. a 5% mob dmg nerf is fairly subtle, I was thinking blizzard would need more like 15-20% to really speed up things. a mob damage and armor nerf would really be cute.

[Vineri]

I'd like to do the beta under the guise of assisting bug and stress testing.

Secretly, I'll be evaluating how close to Vanilla it actually feels. Every aspect really.

I imagine though if I miss out, people will likely post their grievances anyways, which I can read about. So no biggie, other than trying it first hand is far better.

[Lochton]

Many times before expansions are released, people eagerly accept beta invites to get into the game early. Whether it's to test a raid to get a head start on progression or see how your class plays, etc.

But with Vanilla, the beta experience may be detrimental to the nostalgia feeling (of playing the finalized game) a lot of people are looking to satiate. So, the question is, if there's a beta for Vanilla will you participate?

I have my doubts that it'll get a beta, I would believe a stress test though.

[FelPlague]

The poll is interesting. I don't mind being wrong when some data is provided, rather than a rather broad assertation. I am surprised by people choosing nostalgia, but then again most folks aren't actively playing on 1.12 servers now, I assume. I do, so for me it isn't a nostalgia issue, it is a game version preference issue. I prefer 1.12.1 over anything> 3.4.3, for my purposes.

I made a few errors in choices - needed to include 'community/friends' as 1 or 2 choices, as well as 'trying classic for first time.' I did make my list before doing the poll but never even thought of those two items (neither applies to me). Oh well. For my own curiousity I should have made 'classic AV' its own choice separate from more general bg one.

we can revisit this once the poll is over 100-200 votes. the bigger issue is the fact the poll is in the classic wow section of mmo-c. if anything, it is interesting that people are coming to this forum to vote 'won't play it.'
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Mob armor is a trickier one than damage since it leaves the same mob health. a 5% mob dmg nerf is fairly subtle, I was thinking blizzard would need more like 15-20% to really speed up things. a mob damage and armor nerf would really be cute.

Well good for you for owning up to it and seeing the point.
Yeah if it was somewhere more public we would be sure to see much more nostalgia, not going to play it. But classic is not supposed to be something for the majority and that's fine. And yeah indulging in some nostalgia is great. Look at start craft remastered and halo 1 remastered. Amazing game that at the click of a button let ya play nostalgia mode.

[Deficineiron]

Well good for you for owning up to it and seeing the point.
Yeah if it was somewhere more public we would be sure to see much more nostalgia, not going to play it. But classic is not supposed to be something for the majority and that's fine. And yeah indulging in some nostalgia is great. Look at start craft remastered and halo 1 remastered. Amazing game that at the click of a button let ya play nostalgia mode.

i don't have a problem being demonstrably wrong. I do find it interesting there are only 48 votes - I knew the classic forum was fairly inactive but this surprises me. will check it again sunday night.

[Jeina]

Things like spawn/drop rates, and mob armour or damage (especially with spells) are likely to go under the radar if they are nerfed/buffed slightly, let's say by 5%. Anything else and it would be noticed, sooner or later, by some smart old guy

You assume much about how the memory works.

[Soon-TM]

You assume much about how the memory works.

At an individual level, you are right. At a large collective level, however, you are not.

[Jeina]

At an individual level, you are right. At a large collective level, however, you are not.

Memory on the collective level is even worse. Especially among a collective that can never agree on something (like the WoW Community)

[THEORACLE64]

you people are fuckin autistic

The irony.

[Soon-TM]

Memory on the collective level is even worse. Especially among a collective that can never agree on something (like the WoW Community)

No collective ever large enough agrees on small (and sometimes, not so small) details. Politics is the best example.

[The Stormbringer]

I'd like to do the beta under the guise of assisting bug and stress testing.

Secretly, I'll be evaluating how close to Vanilla it actually feels. Every aspect really.

I imagine though if I miss out, people will likely post their grievances anyways, which I can read about. So no biggie, other than trying it first hand is far better.

Why make it secret? They probably would appreciate people evaluating that.

[Deficineiron]

Why make it secret? They probably would appreciate people evaluating that.

I would think that depends. The way they handle this, actually, will probably tell a lot. What if they are worried they made enough changes that a public beta would harm their buzz from what they must view as their true-believer free-publicity team?

[voidillusion]

If there's a "beta" of some sort i'll try to get in, no doubts about it.