View Poll Results: Should the United States bring its armies home?

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  1. #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Mihalik View Post
    Careful not to cut yourself on all that edge. 2edgyforme.

    The reality is that if the world goes down the gutter the US goes with it. The US is still on the same planet as the rest of the world. Large world wars tend to be more contagious than the fucking plague, as we already learned twice. Plus now we live in a time when even a half starving shithole of a country the size of fucking Jersey can build nukes and ICBMs.

    The nuclear deterrent works two ways. Either no one else has nukes or if we do use nukes we all use nukes and die together.

    Your imaginary edgelord world would either turn into a shithole or new structures would arise where countries like China run the world.
    Edgelord...a bloodless insult. I'm not trying to be edgy.

    The deal would be simple: leave us alone in the Americas, and we don't give a sht what you do on the other side of the world.

    Poke us at home? Everybody loses everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realitytrembles View Post
    Edgelord...a bloodless insult. I'm not trying to be edgy.

    The deal would be simple: leave us alone in the Americas, and we don't give a sht what you do on the other side of the world.

    Poke us at home? Everybody loses everything.
    Why not guys! It worked great in the 1930s!

  3. #103
    nah, just refocus them to our actual interests, Europe is no longer that interesting, and quite frankly Europe needs to be responsible for its own defense, the simple fact we are there acts as a deterrent. What we need is to open a naval base and airbase in Isreal for force projection in the middle east while also adding weight behind the threat that if you screw with isreal we might just make your people revert to the stone age.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Thekri View Post
    Why not guys! It worked great in the 1930s!
    What didn't we have in the 30s that we have now? Hint. starts with an N

    Whats wrong with wanting to be left the f alone, and in return we do the same?

    F this ungrateful , whining , complaining world. No longer do they deserve 1 single drop of American blood . Not one.

    A wall of nuclear threat girding the Americas, and we watch while everyone else tears themselves apart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realitytrembles View Post
    What didn't we have in the 30s that we have now? Hint. starts with an N

    Whats wrong with wanting to be left the f alone, and in return we do the same?

    F this ungrateful , whining , complaining world. No longer do they deserve 1 single drop of American blood . Not one.

    A wall of nuclear threat girding the Americas, and we watch while everyone else tears themselves apart.
    You know what the world had in the 1930s that it still has now? Assholes.

    Your plan has a lot in common with the theory of communism. It sounds like it would work extremely well, unless you have some basic idea of how humanity functions, and then the plan looks insane.

  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Why should the citizenry of the US care about being a 'global power'? It is extremely obvious in the case of other countries that it is only the oligarchs or a few powerful special interests that benefit from such an arrangement, yet in the United States we attempt to indoctrinate everyone into believing that this is actually good for the people.

    I think that people would be better off with their government paying everyone's medical bills, instead of paying to occupy foreign countries.
    This actually hits nicely on one of my issues: the US military defends our interests worldwide because it is part of maintaining our status as the richest country in the world- the big problem, and why I think so many people are starting to take issue with this is that it's really just a small sliver of people benefitting from this. If we took our prosperity, and actually did what other developed nations do with their wealth- healthcare coverage, free universities, paid leave and vacation guarantees, better wage and labor laws, etc. If the American people writ large felt the prosperity that global interests brings, there would, I think, be more of a sense that this is a model worth defending.
    "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
    -H.L. Mencken, 1920

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzyorcborne View Post
    Ok ill bite. Why would China do it?
    Really? Why would a country thirsting for world power move in to a vacuum left by the United States' withdrawing? Because they want to. And because they can. China created an island in order to project more power and influence.
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  8. #108
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Really? Why would a country thirsting for world power move in to a vacuum left by the United States' withdrawing? Because they want to. And because they can. China created an island in order to project more power and influence.
    u-huh. Good story I rate 7/5, will read again. But whatever you wanna think to make yourself feel happy friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzyorcborne View Post
    u-huh. Good story I rate 7/5, will read again. But whatever you wanna think to make yourself feel happy friend.
    Lol - you really don't think China - CHINA - has imperial ambitions? And you're not aware of the island they created? How long have you been asleep?

    You are adorable.

    Omg - you actually edited that response - LOL - that means this is a result of you thinking. Or trying to.
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  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Lol - you really don't think China - CHINA - has imperial ambitions? And you're not aware of the island they created? How long have you been asleep?

    You are adorable.

    Omg - you actually edited that response - LOL - that means this is a result of you thinking. Or trying to.
    Actually I was fixing a typo. Look man, just wrap yourself in the flag and sing the star spangled banner. The whole point of the thread was to ask if the US needs to bring its troops home from all the places its trying to "help" with its brand of "democracy". You derailed it with this China thing. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you'd see the point of it but i can see you have a one track mind, like typical Americans. Nothing more to see here and nothing more to be gained by responding to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzyorcborne View Post
    The whole point of the thread was to ask if the US needs to bring its troops home from all the places its trying to "help" with its brand of "democracy". You derailed it with this China thing.
    OMG you are seriously the cutest.

    I answered the thread question, and gave my reason - YOU asked me why. YOU "derailed" it, if it was at all. If giving reasons behind an answer is "derailing" - well, you've got more on your learning plate we thought.


    I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you'd see the point of it but i can see you have a one track mind, like typical Americans.
    No, you weren't. You made assumptions about me based on your crazy interpretation of what I said, combined with your complete lack of knowledge of the world (you seriously tried to argue that China - CHINA - doesn't have world ambitions - so fucking adorable). Your "benefit of the doubt" was really you just pushing your stupidity.


    Nothing more to see here and nothing more to be gained by responding to you.
    Of course not. How could there be? You are utterly clueless on this topic, and make rash assumptions based on little to no information. And you didn't even know China was building islands. I mean - this isn't even willful ignorance - you're just ignorant.

    If you want to discuss my reasons for my answer, just ask. But please stop embarrassing yourself. We're all about to piss ourselves from laughing so hard.
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  12. #112
    It's an imperative that the US war machine be dismantled as thoroughly and quickly as possible, yes. This means not just uprooting the US's worldwide presence but drastically cutting military spending and ending our barbaric arms deals across the world. Unfortunately no one in power has any interest in doing this - Trump ostensibly wants to pare down our foreign military commitments but is just using the threat of such as a cudgel to try and extract money, and of course the Trump Republicans have zero interest in cutting military spending and growth.

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    I'm sure Putin would be very happy if the US withdrew its military bases around the world. In the vacuum of power, they'd easily sweep in and set up their own world police operations.

    People seem to believe that if the US just vacates its positions around the world, that everything will just go back to being nice and calm and peaceful. These same people are completely ignorant of the struggle of power going on between the EU and US with Russia and China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realitytrembles View Post
    What didn't we have in the 30s that we have now? Hint. starts with an N

    Whats wrong with wanting to be left the f alone, and in return we do the same?

    F this ungrateful , whining , complaining world. No longer do they deserve 1 single drop of American blood . Not one.

    A wall of nuclear threat girding the Americas, and we watch while everyone else tears themselves apart.
    In all of your edge, you forgot just how much the US relies on pretty much every single region in the world for natural resources. If you're all for isolation, I hope you're willing to give up a lot of standards of living.
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    Read the rest of the thread. One is aloud to make an error..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butter Emails View Post
    In all of your edge, you forgot just how much the US relies on pretty much every single region in the world for natural resources. If you're all for isolation, I hope you're willing to give up a lot of standards of living.
    Global supply chains are fake news to Trump supporters. They seem to legitimately believe that God gave America everything it needed to be rich and prosperous forever.

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Investing in a country that has such a radically different view of fundamental principles of your society like human rights, to the point that they run concentration camps and use slave labor, qualifies as a betrayal. I don't see the appeal of living in moral-relativism-run-amok nightmare world, unless you are a radical ancap of the 'what if the 6 year old consents' variety. We live in a society.
    How idealistic of you. Still doesn't change the fact that the UK(and the US etc.) likes to buy their oil from saudi arabia. So in your version of the world every western country betrays itself? Nope, it may betray the moral code of it's citizens, but in no way or form does it betray the entity of the state. Betrayal of state is rigidly defined in the law. Read it.

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