I really hope Sylvanas dies in BfA

[Ozzyorcborne]

I really hope Tyrande dies in BfA .Annoying AF character from her WC3 days.

[MikeBogina]

Perceived innocent miners* I would like you to draw special attention to the bold. How on gods green earth can anyone defend her when THIS is her internal thought processes. She is literally thinking like a Lich King/Queen with no grey to be had.

She felt not merely strong but mighty. As if her grip could crush a skull, as if a single stride could cover a league and more. Energy coiled inside each muscle, straining like a beast of pure precision and power against a leash. Thoughts raced through her brain, not simply her usual calculating, cunning, clever thoughts but shining, frighteningly brilliant ones. Innovative. Creative.
She was no logner a dark lady or even a queen. She was a goddess of destruction and creation, and she was stunned that she had never truly understood how deeply the two were intertwined. Armies, cities, entire cultures-she could raise them.
And fell them. Stormwind would be among the first, yielding its people to swell the numbers of her own.
She could deal death on a scale that-
Sylvanas released the orb as if it had burned her.
"This...will change everything."

All of which takes place after an Alliance airship attacked her fleet in Stormheim and Genn Greymane hunted her down trying to kill her.

[Deleted]

I kinda hope she flees and starts a third faction for people who want to be evil assholes and let the Horde go back to Thralls Era.

+1000000000000

but sadly, the horde is at 90% full of blood elves and undead... I miss the vanilla horde

[MikeBogina]

We all know from the Son of the Wolf webcomic that Anduin is going to live to a ripe old age. So anyone hoping that he dies are going to be horribly disappointed.

[Isilarya]

All of which takes place after an Alliance airship attacked her fleet in Stormheim and Genn Greymane hunted her down trying to kill her.

Do you seriously mean to tell me that we are facing an all out war expansion because A SINGLE gunship, which Nathanos actively mocked during the event, which had technically gone rogue against Anduins orders is causing this?

None of what i quoted from the book shows even the mildest shred this is a "retaliation" effort. She wants more Forsaken, she just found a nuclear bomb to do it and seems that her first thought goes STRAIGHT to that. Shes evil im sorry, its not morally grey not even in the slightest margin. She saw the ability to build utopian civilizations with it but disregarded it immediately at the thought of how much slaughter it could cause.

[Zeerus]

I want her strung up, vivisected and then decapitated. I play horde, but I hate her.

[Kikazz]

No she isn't, she is attacking as the aggressor...they have made it blatantly obvious she attacked Tesdrassil because she wants to conquer the Alliance...even in her own words she said she wanted to cut the head off the Alliance so she can conquer it while it was in disarray.

You and all the Sylvanas lovers are literally sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALALALA" and ignoring what she herself has said, what she herself has done.

Her acts are of a conquering nature not a retaliatory one...

You are absolutely silly if you think the Alliance is going to sit back while letting a obvious mad woman take control of such a dangerous substance...she is obviously unstable...even her people think so...she murdered her own because she is afraid of losing power.

she is attacking in retaliation though, and yes she may be batshit crazy, but she has only stated ingame so far that she wishes to Conquer Kalimdor, so that the horde can live seperate to the alliance, she has kind of given up on eastern kingdoms, hence why she blighted the fuck out of Undercity and destroyed half of Tirisfal glades, during the siege of Lordaeron that massive scar from the ocean to undercity wasnt the alliance, it was her killing the alliance.

[Darkguyver2020]

Garrosh: "Times change".

After the train wreck that was WoD, Blizzard will be smart to avoid all this alternate timeline mumbo jumbo like the plague.

[Isilarya]

she is attacking in retaliation though, and yes she may be batshit crazy, but she has only stated ingame so far that she wishes to Conquer Kalimdor, so that the horde can live seperate to the alliance, she has kind of given up on eastern kingdoms, hence why she blighted the fuck out of Undercity and destroyed half of Tirisfal glades, during the siege of Lordaeron that massive scar from the ocean to undercity wasnt the alliance, it was her killing the alliance.

You cant just use ingame though, the books are massively important to everything to do with this war if you havent read them you have no horse in the discussion. You will never get the whole story in game and you cant simply pretend that it doesnt exist because its convenient.

[Darkguyver2020]

she is attacking in retaliation though, and yes she may be batshit crazy, but she has only stated ingame so far that she wishes to Conquer Kalimdor, so that the horde can live seperate to the alliance, she has kind of given up on eastern kingdoms, hence why she blighted the fuck out of Undercity and destroyed half of Tirisfal glades, during the siege of Lordaeron that massive scar from the ocean to undercity wasnt the alliance, it was her killing the alliance.

She only blighted Undercity just to spite the Alliance since they were on the verge of taking it from the Forsaken. It's merely a "If I can't have it, no one can" response.

[amishjello]

I honestly hope Genn and Tyrande does some messed up stuff and are killed because of it. It will really be the only way to balance the shit show that is "Morally gray" thing going on.

[HoserMoose]

Sylvanas killed defectors and the sister of her most hated enemy in history. Seems fair. No need for her to die.

THANK YOU!!! Also Calia's true purpose was to usurp undercity from Sylvanas because she saw them as "her" people not sylvanas'. I know Calia's intentions to usurp are pure, but Sylvanas was there to give the forsaken a way of living and prosperity after all that was done to them.

I'm not biased as i play Alliance. I just know the story better than OP and the mindset of Sylvanas and why she does what she does.

[Isilarya]

I honestly hope Genn and Tyrande does some messed up stuff and are killed because of it. It will really be the only way to balance the shit show that is "Morally gray" thing going on.

The problem is with Genn that he doesnt hate the whole horde unconditionally its more specifically targeted at Sylvanas. Would he kill all of us to get at her sure, but if we just parted the red sea and let him walk up and kill her hes been developed to seem like he would just walk back out the front door with her head.

[Grusalugg]

I really hope she does not, she is one of the few multi-layered characters left in this game.

I want to have characters that make me feel something, anger or happiness I don't care. Unlike stupid whimpering between Tyrande and Malfurion.

If characters like sylvannas die and we are left with the likes of current malfurion you will be creating threads on how one dimensional and boring every character is.

So no, thank you.

[amishjello]

The problem is with Genn that he doesnt hate the whole horde unconditionally its more specifically targeted at Sylvanas. Would he kill all of us to get at her sure, but if we just parted the red sea and let him walk up and kill her hes been developed to seem like he would just walk back out the front door with her head.

That's the thing. His hatred for Sylvanas and the forsaken could easily be taken to extremes. Like, he could round up a bunch of forsaken civilians and execute them for no reason other than spite. That would be pretty messed up, but I dont think it would be too far out of the realm of possibility to happen.

[Maneo]

That's the thing. His hatred for Sylvanas and the forsaken could easily be taken to extremes. Like, he could round up a bunch of forsaken civilians and execute them for no reason other than spite. That would be pretty messed up, but I dont think it would be too far out of the realm of possibility to happen.

Pretty sure in the latest book Genns stance on the forsaken as a whole has softened so I don't think that is likely.

Sylvanas needs to go she isn't morally grey the bitch is straight up evil, and I can not fathom a way to redeem her.

Don't kill her but have her be banished from the Horde

[MikeBogina]

Do you seriously mean to tell me that we are facing an all out war expansion because A SINGLE gunship, which Nathanos actively mocked during the event, which had technically gone rogue against Anduins orders is causing this?

Do you seriously mean to tell me that when a World Ending Invasion was happening, that it was ok for Sky Admiral Rogers and Worgen leader Genn Greymane(adviser to the king) to launch a surprise attack on the Forsaken fleet that was on it's way to retrieve Pillars, wiping most of it and then proceeding to hunt down the leader of the Horde? Oh and there was no punishment for this from Anduin(a mild scolding).

You do realize how stupid it is to think that that's not a big deal, right?

None of what i quoted from the book shows even the mildest shred this is a "retaliation" effort.

It doesn't have to, but none of what you quoted also claims that it's not why she wants to wipe Stormwind out. It's common sense that when you do harm onto someone and they want to do harm to you, it's not because of them just being evil.

She wants more Forsaken, she just found a nuclear bomb to do it and seems that her first thought goes STRAIGHT to that. Shes evil im sorry, its not morally grey not even in the slightest margin. She saw the ability to build utopian civilizations with it but disregarded it immediately at the thought of how much slaughter it could cause.

"Why does she want to kill us?? we only attacked her during a world ending event!!!" It's like logic doesn't work for you guys. The Alliance attacked her and killed her people... during a WORLD ENDING EVENT... why would she want peace?

She's a necromantic being who is also a general who's fought Trolls for many years. When there can be no peace(because your enemy keeps attacking you) you have to lay them low. If you have a problem with her wanting to raise all of Stormwind, then be upset that Genn stupidly picked a fight with a person who is possibly the second most powerful necromantic being on the planet.

[Dartz1979]

Before the Storm spoilers below

I've read quite a few Warcraft and World of Warcraft books, but none of them come close to Before the Storm in terms of how dark it is. The whole thing about humans reuniting with their Forsaken relatives, only to see them being slaughtered in front of their eyes. All on Sylvanas' orders, 'cuz she couldn't deal with the fact that some Forsaken had stepped up to govern the Undercity in her absence.

God, just fuck that woman. Why in the world do the Forsaken and the Horde follow a bitch who rains down arrows on her own people? This book makes it clear there's no redemption to be had for her, I just hope she finally dies real soon. And that we get to kill her.

You meanie how could you say that about sylvanas she's the only good looking female horde has.. who else is there? calia and garona doesnt count she aint no eye candy

[MikeBogina]

After the train wreck that was WoD, Blizzard will be smart to avoid all this alternate timeline mumbo jumbo like the plague.

It has nothing to do with WoD. The future isn't set in stone and changes constantly, for instance we changed the future at the end of Cataclysm. Gul'dan coming to Azeroth from another timeline also changes the future of our timeline aswell... because it led to an entire Legion invasion, which might not have happened until say Anduin was an old man.

Time's change, so nothing is set in stone.

[Xerra]

I'm curious to see this whole holy undead thing pan out from the book and if some ghostbuster beams of holy sauce are going to convert sylv or if its a prelude to maybe light sided undead. Other than that she killed some treasonous sentimental minions. They knew the inner workings of the undercity and its political setting having them in alliance hands was a liability that could compromise many horde settlements. She killed the loyal ones retreating more or less to clean house of those who were sentimental and could possibly be future liabilities given time and their attachment to the living. Killing those retreating was a dick move but by far not to be unexpected when she saw them as a danger to her authority and rule of the undercity. Killing Arthas's sister made complete sense she literally cried out for the forsaken to commit treason. If thats not a hostile act then I'm not sure politics is something the OP understands.

But seriously.. the one who assaulted Sylv's fleet that could have been used against the legion then tried to assassinate her as well, mind you WHILE THE WORLD WAS BEING INVADED! To only then be standing on the walls of Stromgarde all high and mighty during a delicate diplomatic event with Sylvannas present. Nothing like seeing the one who tried to murder you and killed several of your people in a fit of petty revenge to really inspire confidence in the event.

If Anduin hadn't been running to the meeting place unarmed and not escorted with guard then if it were myself in her shoes I would have taken the whole thing as an alliance ploy to get Forsaken intel to start an assault. It would definitely been to much of a coincidence for miss Menethil to just happen be one of the supervising priests.