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  1. #3481
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    So your complaining just for the sake of complaining then.
    Sometimes comments like this are really so exhausing, because i need to explain things over and over and over and over and over again and again and again...

    It's about that they decide to take rather a superman from a multiverse that maybe a few fans know instead of another of the many many superheroes in the dc universe that are actually black and be a better representative. Black Panter shows how this gets done. Instead they go full SJW, taking the name Superman, putting their agenda into a costume, and want to rise the SJW-Nonsense. And yes, it's canon, but really, it's simply about agenda, not about to take another multiverse where president superman is shown.

    It's canon yes, but really, this is not about the multiverse, it's about their fricking agenda, and it happens all the time now. And that's canon it's just an excuse to make their agenda seemingly legit.

    Sorry, but yes, it makes me angry and complain about it not because of the sake of complaining, but because there is actually an issue. But since it's canon, people fall for people who still want to make their fricking agenda somehow successful. But it isn't as we saw it with Charlies angels, Ghostbusters and so on. A good movie never works together with a fricking agenda. And destroying more franchises just for the sake of wokeness isn't the way to go.

    And no, going political in a movie is not woke. Look at joker: small bugdet, gigantic success and lots of political in it. Ok, it's joker, even the name alone makes money, but it doesn't change the fact that the movie was excellent and joaquin phoenix was brilliant in the role.

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    Some more leaks from another Twitter user who went to the premiere
    https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...tter_user_who/
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  3. #3483
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I haven’t gone though all the leaks but if they are true I dread that they didn’t let the past die or kill it if they had to.

    Hopefully it will Atlest be good from a film perspective unlike TLJ.

    But fun fact if Rey is related to palp that would make her either a kinda of sibling to anakin or a kind of niece as palp is the one who made anakin.
    If RoS is a bomb, I expect the entire sequel trilogy to eventually get stricken from the canon. Its all the rage now. Make a new Terminator film, also strike the last 3 Terminator films from the canon. Make a new Halloween film, strike a bunch of Halloween films from the canon.

    I would expect another version of episode 7.
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    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    If RoS is a bomb, I expect the entire sequel trilogy to eventually get stricken from the canon. Its all the rage now. Make a new Terminator film, also strike the last 3 Terminator films from the canon. Make a new Halloween film, strike a bunch of Halloween films from the canon.

    I would expect another version of episode 7.
    i hope not. this sequel trilogy hasn't been my favorite but once you start doing that shit is when a franchise is really in the shitter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    i hope not. this sequel trilogy hasn't been my favorite but once you start doing that shit is when a franchise is really in the shitter.
    SW sort of already is. They should have incorporated all Legends and SWTOR etc. stuff to canon.
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  6. #3486
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    SW sort of already is. They should have incorporated all Legends and SWTOR etc. stuff to canon.
    way too much and disney wants to make new fans. EU was great for people like me because i'm way into it, but they want to appeal to my wife and daughters too. can't be mad at them.


    frankly, i don't feel like explaining over 40 years of expanded stuff either lol. it blows peoples minds when i tell them that the Sith and Mandalorians started as an actual race of aliens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    way too much and disney wants to make new fans. EU was great for people like me because i'm way into it, but they want to appeal to my wife and daughters too. can't be mad at them.


    frankly, i don't feel like explaining over 40 years of expanded stuff either lol. it blows peoples minds when i tell them that the Sith and Mandalorians started as an actual race of aliens
    How does that complicate things? It just recognizes official backstory to exist if people want to dig deeper. Now the issue is that they threw like 98% of all existing SW stuff in to the garbage bin and act like it never existed. The SW enthusiasts loved that lore and world, not the hollow shell of what is actually being shown in the movies, which is just a scratch of the surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    How does that complicate things? It just recognizes official backstory to exist if people want to dig deeper. Now the issue is that they threw like 98% of all existing SW stuff in to the garbage bin and act like it never existed. The SW enthusiasts loved that lore and world, not the hollow shell of what is actually being shown in the movies, which is just a scratch of the surface.
    well, it probably boils down to Disney couldn't get the money from EU stories. i have no idea if that's true, but i'm willing to bet it has something to do with money.

    if I bought the rights to a huge franchise like SW i would want to reign it all in if i planned on pumping out new content. i would want to put it all under one umbrella so i could push it in the direction i wanted it to go. i think Disney sees the error of their ways with 7-9 and has a new direction with shows like Mando and the upcoming Obi Wan series where they pull more from the EU stories to create something original.
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  9. #3489
    Quote Originally Posted by Kontinuum View Post
    Some more leaks from another Twitter user who went to the premiere
    https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...tter_user_who/
    They sound even worse now. Palpatine being alive and in the movie is a disgrace, especially with zero foreshadowing in the TWO previous movies. This is a hard pass for me

    The Mandalorian is fantastic, and Rogue One was great too. They should really stay the fuck away from main story Star Wars and just focus on stories within that universe. They seem to do well with expanding on the universe but can't produce a Skywalker saga story to save themselves. Just disregard the new trilogy from the canon, it really has no bearing on any other storylines they might want to explore

  10. #3490
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Luke is, according to the old EU, stronger than Vader. In the OT, he's just untrained, where Vader has a lifetime of practice and training behind him.

    Luke has encountered and fought against the power of both Vader and Palpatine, the two strongest non-Luke Force users, even if you don't want to accept the old EU stuff about Luke.

    And Luke states, flat-out, that Kylo is stronger than anyone else he'd ever known, and that Rey is Kylo's equal.

    You can not like this fact, but it remains a canonical fact; Rey is the strongest Force user in the modern Star Wars timeline, tied with Kylo Ren. Stronger than Vader or Palpatine or Luke.



    It still absolutely involved the use of the Force. They specifically state that no human had the physical reflexes to be able to handle a pod racer without crashing and dying in the first lap. Anakin, at age 6, not only can not crash, he's able to win. Because he's tapping into the Force. That's the only reason.

    It may be subconscious, but he's still using the Force.



    You're overselling the scene in Fallen Order by, like, a lot. It's probably the least impressive thing we see Vader do in that game. And regardless, yes, even Vader's power level isn't as high as Kylo Ren or Rey. That's a canonical fact, and you not liking that fact doesn't change it.
    Old EU isn't canon so yes I disregard that. Also Rey and Kylo being stronger than Anakin or even Palpatine is quite laughable this isn't being shown anywhere so yes I don't believe this at all nor is it a fact.

    Luke never said that Kylo is the strongest force user he ever felt he just said that he didnt fear his raw strength/power before and when Rey also showed that kind of power he did start to fear it. Fearing doesn't mean it's the strongest force power he ever felt tho, that's your interpretation.

    Kylo is just a shadow compared to Vader/Anakin and that's kinda the point of his story imo.

    Anakin is the chosen one yes he didn't live up to his real potential but neither Rey or Kylo can match him when he was Darth Vader let alone his potential. We can see this shown in the movies and Clone Wars if you want to be canonical.

    So I don't know where you get your canonical facts from but they are wrong.
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  11. #3491
    Quote Originally Posted by Reydan View Post
    Old EU isn't canon so yes I disregard that. Also Rey and Kylo being stronger than Anakin or even Palpatine is quite laughable this isn't being shown anywhere so yes I don't believe this at all nor is it a fact.

    Luke never said that Kylo is the strongest force user he ever felt he just said that he didnt fear his raw strength/power before and when Rey also showed that kind of power he did start to fear it. Fearing doesn't mean it's the strongest force power he ever felt tho, that's your interpretation.

    Kylo is just a shadow compared to Vader/Anakin and that's kinda the point of his story imo.

    Anakin is the chosen one yes he didn't live up to his real potential but neither Rey or Kylo can match him when he was Darth Vader let alone his potential. We can see this shown in the movies and Clone Wars if you want to be canonical.

    So I don't know where you get your canonical facts from but they are wrong.
    I guess someone somewhere said that to sell their new trilogy.

    Just like Whoever will be the strongestest Force User ever seen in the universe in Episode X, just to find a worthy opponent who is strongestester in Episode XII.

    The problem of that trilogy (Ep VII to IX) is that they didn't introduce them properly. We don't care that [insert random character/writer here] said [insert whatever Jedi/Sith] is the strongest. We want to witness it or understand where it comes from.

    Here we have to accept Kylo as one of the strongest Force User in the whole universe, both past and present. Why ? Because we're told. So far his only feat was to be dumb as a rock and stopping a laser shot in the first few minutes of VII. And that's it, he never won any fight afterward, nor was he threatening to anyone/anything.

    Rey is strong because she is strong. And she's the worst kind of Strong : The Boring Strong. The kind of strong no one can even match. She could face 20 Star Destroyers while flying in space and still defeat them without sweating. If your Hero doesn't have a counterpart, your Hero is boring (which is the biggest Superman's problem, or why Captain Marvel the movie sucked hard).
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    Put ANY of the plot in spoiler tags. Even if it’s vague and small. It’s in the OP and mods have said to hide spoilers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velerios View Post
    Sometimes comments like this are really so exhausing, because i need to explain things over and over and over and over and over again and again and again...

    It's about that they decide to take rather a superman from a multiverse that maybe a few fans know instead of another of the many many superheroes in the dc universe that are actually black and be a better representative. Black Panter shows how this gets done. Instead they go full SJW, taking the name Superman, putting their agenda into a costume, and want to rise the SJW-Nonsense. And yes, it's canon, but really, it's simply about agenda, not about to take another multiverse where president superman is shown.

    It's canon yes, but really, this is not about the multiverse, it's about their fricking agenda, and it happens all the time now. And that's canon it's just an excuse to make their agenda seemingly legit.

    Sorry, but yes, it makes me angry and complain about it not because of the sake of complaining, but because there is actually an issue. But since it's canon, people fall for people who still want to make their fricking agenda somehow successful. But it isn't as we saw it with Charlies angels, Ghostbusters and so on. A good movie never works together with a fricking agenda. And destroying more franchises just for the sake of wokeness isn't the way to go.

    And no, going political in a movie is not woke. Look at joker: small bugdet, gigantic success and lots of political in it. Ok, it's joker, even the name alone makes money, but it doesn't change the fact that the movie was excellent and joaquin phoenix was brilliant in the role.
    There is no actual issue as your making up a narrative with out seeing any thing of the actual product. It’s apperntly impossible that any one would want to actually make a character they like into a movie just because you want some other hero movie. instead there just using the multieverse to push an agenda even though they are doing crisis on infinite earths right now and instead of filling it with minority supermen to push said invisible agenda they are using multiple white ones even though CW is supposedly the hight of social justice.

    Your talking nonsense based off nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    If RoS is a bomb, I expect the entire sequel trilogy to eventually get stricken from the canon. Its all the rage now. Make a new Terminator film, also strike the last 3 Terminator films from the canon. Make a new Halloween film, strike a bunch of Halloween films from the canon.

    I would expect another version of episode 7.
    Eh if they didn’t do it with the prequels when they had the chance I doudt they will now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reydan View Post
    Old EU isn't canon so yes I disregard that. Also Rey and Kylo being stronger than Anakin or even Palpatine is quite laughable this isn't being shown anywhere so yes I don't believe this at all nor is it a fact.

    Luke never said that Kylo is the strongest force user he ever felt he just said that he didnt fear his raw strength/power before and when Rey also showed that kind of power he did start to fear it. Fearing doesn't mean it's the strongest force power he ever felt tho, that's your interpretation.

    Kylo is just a shadow compared to Vader/Anakin and that's kinda the point of his story imo.

    Anakin is the chosen one yes he didn't live up to his real potential but neither Rey or Kylo can match him when he was Darth Vader let alone his potential. We can see this shown in the movies and Clone Wars if you want to be canonical.

    So I don't know where you get your canonical facts from but they are wrong.
    “I’ve seen this raw strength only once before, in Ben solo. It didn’t scare me enough then, it does now.

    He doesn’t say kylo is the strongest ever but he does say he’s only felt such raw strength in Rey/kylo and Luke knows from tons of experience how stronger Vader was. Kylo/Rey might not have the extended material to actual show any of the strength but that doesn’t change that it is canon that they are stronger then Any one else luke met and anakin is a the top of that list.

  14. #3494
    Olalalala. There is something wrong when the hand selected and paid shills.... khm... i mean journalists turn against you after the premier.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Reydan View Post
    Old EU isn't canon so yes I disregard that. Also Rey and Kylo being stronger than Anakin or even Palpatine is quite laughable this isn't being shown anywhere so yes I don't believe this at all nor is it a fact.

    Luke never said that Kylo is the strongest force user he ever felt he just said that he didnt fear his raw strength/power before and when Rey also showed that kind of power he did start to fear it. Fearing doesn't mean it's the strongest force power he ever felt tho, that's your interpretation.

    Kylo is just a shadow compared to Vader/Anakin and that's kinda the point of his story imo.

    Anakin is the chosen one yes he didn't live up to his real potential but neither Rey or Kylo can match him when he was Darth Vader let alone his potential. We can see this shown in the movies and Clone Wars if you want to be canonical.

    So I don't know where you get your canonical facts from but they are wrong.
    As pointed out above, Luke explicitly says he's only seen power like Rey's "once before"; with Kylo Ren. He had plenty of experience with his father's power, so clearly that level is below Kylo's and Rey's.

    You might not like that Anakin isn't King Shit in terms of Force strength in the canon, but that's the canonical truth.

  16. #3496
    I just read spoilers on reddit from someone who attended the premiere. Not posting any spoilers, just my own personal reaction, but comes off with a lot of fan service (yet not enough IMO), making it convoluted, but still has heart. Since the user was tired and just writing from memory, it was all out of order, jumbled and there were some head scratch moments but overall, it seems like it's worth seeing because it doesn't have Rian Johnson's paw prints all over it. Going to wait for a more concise summary on Wikipedia before I make the final call to see it in theaters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    As pointed out above, Luke explicitly says he's only seen power like Rey's "once before"; with Kylo Ren. He had plenty of experience with his father's power, so clearly that level is below Kylo's and Rey's.

    You might not like that Anakin isn't King Shit in terms of Force strength in the canon, but that's the canonical truth.
    Disney just did that to promote their new characters over the old, obviously. How else would the grandson of the chosen one surpass the chosen one when he's half nobody? (Solo)

    It happens all the time when trying to promote a new generation of characters.

    "Gohan is MUCH stronger than Goku! He surpassed his father!"

    Luke wasn't stronger than Anakin, not in The Force, that's what made Luke likable. He was easy to relate to, and well-written. The farm boy whose father was King Shit. Luke had a different strength to Anakin; he had heart, will power, good teachers, and learned from his experiences; he didn't go down his father's path. Luke didn't need to be stronger than Anakin to be an interesting protagonist.

    Kylo? Disney can't write worth dick, so his defining character trait is "BY GAWD, HE'S EVEN STRONGERER IN THE FORCE THAN TEH CHOSEN ONE! That MUST make him interesting!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Disney just did that to promote their new characters over the old, obviously. How else would the grandson of the chosen one surpass the chosen one when he's half nobody? (Solo)

    It happens all the time when trying to promote a new generation of characters.

    "Gohan is MUCH stronger than Goku! He surpassed his father!"
    And?

    That doesn't change anything. All that "Chosen One" stuff Lucas made up for the prequels was the same kind of nonsense, for Anakin that time.

    Also, the prophecy never even said Anakin would be the strongest ever. Just that he'd bring balance to the Force. Which he did, by breaking the grip of the Jedi, and chucking the Emperor down a shaft.

    Anakin was only unusually strong in the prequels, and only because Lucas decided to make him extra special powerful. It wasn't in the OT at all.

    Luke wasn't stronger than Anakin, not in The Force, that's what made Luke likable. He was easy to relate to, and well-written. The farm boy whose father was King Shit. Luke had a different strength to Anakin; he had heart, will power, good teachers, and learned from his experiences; he didn't go down his father's path. Luke didn't need to be stronger than Anakin to be an interesting protagonist.
    In the old EU, this was shown to be false. If we exclude it, we have no way to judge, to begin with, since Luke's strength in the Force is never really even discussed.

    Kylo? Disney can't write worth dick, so his defining character trait is "BY GAWD, HE'S EVEN STRONGERER IN THE FORCE THAN TEH CHOSEN ONE! That MUST make him interesting!"
    I wouldn't say strength in the Force is a character trait at all. It's like saying how much you can bench press is a character trait. It was never what made Vader terrifying, or what made Anakin's fall from grace interesting. It isn't what Kylo's arc is based upon in any way whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Disney just did that to promote their new characters over the old, obviously. How else would the grandson of the chosen one surpass the chosen one when he's half nobody? (Solo)

    It happens all the time when trying to promote a new generation of characters.

    "Gohan is MUCH stronger than Goku! He surpassed his father!"

    Luke wasn't stronger than Anakin, not in The Force, that's what made Luke likable. He was easy to relate to, and well-written. The farm boy whose father was King Shit. Luke had a different strength to Anakin; he had heart, will power, good teachers, and learned from his experiences; he didn't go down his father's path. Luke didn't need to be stronger than Anakin to be an interesting protagonist.

    Kylo? Disney can't write worth dick, so his defining character trait is "BY GAWD, HE'S EVEN STRONGERER IN THE FORCE THAN TEH CHOSEN ONE! That MUST make him interesting!"
    This is pure fan fic. Luke was absolutely stronger then Vader in the original canon he becomes the equivalent of a force god who can destroy whole ships and control black holes where Vader was beaten by a nobody like Starkiller.

    The new Disney canon is a bit murkier but Luke is in the same general area of Strength if not stronger.
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    Had a thought the other day. If Palpatine caused Shmi's pregnancy with Anakin, wouldn't Palpatine be Anakin's father? If that is the case, then Luke and Leia are Palpatine's Grandchildren. That makes Kylo Palpatine's Great Grandson.

    On the same note, if Rey is Palpatine's clone or offspring in someway, that makes Rey, Kylo's Grandaunt. And if they kiss in this movie....then that is kinda gross.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Had a thought the other day. If Palpatine caused Shmi's pregnancy with Anakin, wouldn't Palpatine be Anakin's father? If that is the case, then Luke and Leia are Palpatine's Grandchildren. That makes Kylo Palpatine's Great Grandson.

    On the same note, if Rey is Palpatine's clone or offspring in someway, that makes Rey, Kylo's Grandaunt. And if they kiss in this movie....then that is kinda gross.
    Yup that would be the case, keeping the family traditions alive the new kids are.

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