View Poll Results: Rate the movie STAR WARS™: The Rise of Skywalker™

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    121 19.27%
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    95 15.13%
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    154 24.52%
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    167 26.59%
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    91 14.49%
  1. #4061
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    Indeed, if you ask me the less Star Wars is about the Skywalkers, the better it is. The franchise's best material had basically nothing to do with the main saga movies, with the exception of Empire.

    That's why I don't care much if that movie is bad (which it looks like it is). It doesn't erase the good stuff like KOTOR 1 and 2 or Rogue One.
    Well, yeah, I have to agree that some of my favorite content was completely divorced from the movies, but his post seemed to be more connected to the main timeline movies, and not with KOTOR, etc.

    The Revan storyline from KOTOR 1 and 2 is by far my favorite Star Wars material.

  2. #4062
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    George Lucas created and wrote the predecessor character (Indiana Smith) to Indiana Jones, and then had "Story by" credits on all three of the original Indiana Jones movies. He was credited as a creative in the series, and sometimes prominent creatives get EP credit as well (this is especially common in TV, where, for example, Benioff and Weiss had EP credits on Game of Thrones). Notice, the Producer credit on Indiana Jones was Frank Marshall for Raiders, and Robert Watts for the last two movies. No one thinks the movies are their creative vision.



    The article you quoted talks about the clash between them in re: how they ran their set. Not on their creative vision for the movie. She "did not approve of their shooting style and process of interacting with actors and crew," which reads, to me, that people hated working for those directors.

    Note, the article says clashes arose between the creatives on set - the writer, Kasdan, and the directing duo. It doesn't say anything about her firing them for creative differences between HER and them, but for reasons entirely within the scope of being an EP - clashes between Kasdan (who wrote the screenplay) and the directors, actors and crew against the directors, how they did their shooting schedule, etc. It was labeled as "creative differences," but those creative differences were between Kasdan, the writer, and the directors. And Kennedy came down on the side of Kasdan, who literally wrote ESB and the first Indiana Jones movie you so lovingly referenced. If she had shitcanned Kasdan, well, that would be fucking hilariously worse.
    You need to read the full article again if that's what you got from it.

  3. #4063
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    Quote Originally Posted by StillMcfuu View Post
    You are taking my comment out of context. I was replying to someone who was saying that this kind of awful storytelling is what happens when you change directors. And I mentioned HP because they changed directors every movie and that it's the studio/producers/writers fault for not having a cohesive idea going in, which is the problem with TLJ and likely RoS.
    Oh, i know. Problem is that the directors in SW sequel trilogy were given also script/story leadership, while this didn't apply to HP movies. Your analogy was flawed, is all i mean.
    /spit@Blizzard

  4. #4064
    I really don’t understand how one can call themselves a SW fan while accepting (and therefore even remotely liking the central premise of the movie) that Palpatine was actually alive the whole time and Anakin was a loser the whole time. The very center of this movie is anti-SW.

    There’s something wrong here. It’s like all y’all care about is extremely surface level things and don’t think about what you’ve just seen. I just don’t get it.

  5. #4065
    Considering the reports that RoS is trying to crap what should have been TLJ and RoS into 1 film I think its safe to say that JJ atleast had a vision for the trilogy (whether that vision was any good isn't relevant for this).
    TLJ then shat all over that vision.
    That is the fault of Kennedy who should have kept Ryan on track and not given him the freedom to create something entirely different that doesn't fit.
    ESPECIALLY when you then go right back to JJ to finish the trilogy.

    Ignoring the quality of each individual film, the lack of structure and continuity between the trilogy is the fault of Kennedy and no one else.
    You don't even need to compare it to the MCU which is indeed a huge line of films all connected. This is 3 films, a basic trilogy. If you can't manage to keep 3 films shot in sequence on track your not fit for the job, period.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  6. #4066
    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDaz View Post
    I actually enjoyed much more the prequel triology rather than the disney triology.

    Yes the prequel triology had many flaws: Jar jar Binks, the boring Anakin car race, the horrible Anakin and Amidala romantic story, are some of the flaws. But I really enjoyed the whole prequel story combined and the end result. This Disney triology... i just don't connect with it.
    The best part of the prequel trilogy was the awesome beginning of the Clone Wars at the end of Episode II, Darth Maul in Episode I in general, Jango Fett, Yoda, the overall golden age of the Jedi, and all of Revenge of the Sith. There's a lot of good stuff in the prequel trilogy if you remove the bad stuff. Like you said, the Disney trilogy, there is very little good in it. Rogue 1 has been the only great Disney SW movie.

  7. #4067
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldielocks View Post
    I really don’t understand how one can call themselves a SW fan while accepting (and therefore even remotely liking the central premise of the movie) that Palpatine was actually alive the whole time and Anakin was a loser the whole time. The very center of this movie is anti-SW.
    What's wrong with Papa Palpatine being alive? Didn't you hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? Did you see his dead body? Was he a powerful Force user who could survive the fall? Sith Alchemy? Was it wrong of him to survive in EU as well? Is it wrong to incorporate legend stuff into the canon?

    You are not a SW fan if you are not ok with the big P being alive. He's like the greatest character of the whole trilogy of trilogies.
    All right, gentlemen, let's review. The year is 2020 - that's two-zero-two-zero, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of robed sissies.

  8. #4068
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    What's wrong with Papa Palpatine being alive? Didn't you hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? Did you see his dead body? Was he a powerful Force user who could survive the fall? Sith Alchemy? Was it wrong of him to survive in EU as well? Is it wrong to incorporate legend stuff into the canon?

    You are not a SW fan if you are not ok with the big P being alive. He's like the greatest character of the whole trilogy of trilogies.
    He didn’t survive in the EU. He was cloned. At least they knew what they were doing. Yes. Invalidating the central victory of the saga is bad. Who’da thunk?

    You’re also using many, many false equivalencies here lmao

  9. #4069
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    What's wrong with Papa Palpatine being alive?
    The main issues are...

    1) him being alive undermines he end of RotJ.
    2) nothing was set up regarding him returning in the previous 2 films. He comes out of nowhere to go raaaawr i'm the bad guy then dies almost as fast.

  10. #4070
    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDaz View Post
    I was hoping Qi'ra was Rey's mother, or Luke was her father... ah well

    Qi'ra was actually the most interesting character that Disney created in these 5 movies. I wonder what will they do to her? I would love to see Emily again in the star wars franchise.
    I kinda would have preferred if Rey's parents did actually just turn out to be nobody special. In a galaxy of trillions of people, not everyone needs to be related to each other. I did like Qi'ra, though.

  11. #4071
    Quote Originally Posted by Trifle View Post
    I kinda would have preferred if Rey's parents did actually just turn out to be nobody special. In a galaxy of trillions of people, not everyone needs to be related to each other. I did like Qi'ra, though.
    I would have been fine with that if TFA hadn't teased so heavily about who she was.

  12. #4072
    What annoyed me the most was the beginning, when the fucking floating yellow text says, that Palpatine has returned. So betweeen episodes 8 and 9 the Emperor has returned OFF SCREEN and we learn that by reading text? SERIOUSLY?

  13. #4073
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaidlol View Post
    What annoyed me the most was the beginning, when the fucking floating yellow text says, that Palpatine has returned. So betweeen episodes 8 and 9 the Emperor has returned OFF SCREEN and we learn that by reading text? SERIOUSLY?
    LMAO. it's unironically hilarious how much of a hack JJ actually is

  14. #4074
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaidlol View Post
    What annoyed me the most was the beginning, when the fucking floating yellow text says, that Palpatine has returned. So betweeen episodes 8 and 9 the Emperor has returned OFF SCREEN and we learn that by reading text? SERIOUSLY?
    And they don't even explain HOW.

  15. #4075
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    And they don't even explain HOW.
    Because they can’t win. They either get called a rip off of Dark Empire or he never died. They chose the latter, and it’s still really bad.

  16. #4076
    Quote Originally Posted by Gorsameth View Post
    Considering the reports that RoS is trying to crap what should have been TLJ and RoS into 1 film I think its safe to say that JJ atleast had a vision for the trilogy (whether that vision was any good isn't relevant for this).
    TLJ then shat all over that vision.
    That is the fault of Kennedy who should have kept Ryan on track and not given him the freedom to create something entirely different that doesn't fit.
    ESPECIALLY when you then go right back to JJ to finish the trilogy.

    Ignoring the quality of each individual film, the lack of structure and continuity between the trilogy is the fault of Kennedy and no one else.
    You don't even need to compare it to the MCU which is indeed a huge line of films all connected. This is 3 films, a basic trilogy. If you can't manage to keep 3 films shot in sequence on track your not fit for the job, period.
    JJ didn't have a vision, rip. TFA is literally predicated on the previous trilogy, relying on nostalgia to keep the audience entertained, nothing interesting or new is explored. Snoke is a one dimensional villian that is a copy and pasted Palpatine. TROS is TFA without the old ensemble cast to carry the film, even that didn't stop JJ from trying the same formula with the lazy reintroduction of Palpatine which collapsed bc the audience can see how blatantly cheap the move is - yes, TFA did the same thing w/ Luke driving the plot, Leia, Han etc, but the hiatus had blurred the fan boys' expectations and it was before the disillusionment

    Rian at least explored new territory with TLJ, he had a vision. Only issue with TLJ was TFA and now TROS
    Last edited by Zexaniro; 2019-12-19 at 10:54 PM.

  17. #4077
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaidlol View Post
    What annoyed me the most was the beginning, when the fucking floating yellow text says, that Palpatine has returned. So betweeen episodes 8 and 9 the Emperor has returned OFF SCREEN and we learn that by reading text? SERIOUSLY?
    I will forever curse JJ for what he did to Star Trek, but to play devil's advocate. I like to imagine TLJ was supposed to go into that before Rian took a sharp left turn so JJ had to cut corners to get the story back on track.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

  18. #4078
    Oh and where did the "Sith choir" come from in Palpatines "throne room"? Where do they eat, sleep, pee? What are they? This sounds like nitpicking but it really felt off having so many devoutees of the emperor there just for the kicks.

    And I will never understand why they can't just use existing planets like Korriban. I think having the emperor there, would be waaaaaay better than a random new planet.
    Last edited by Shaidlol; 2019-12-19 at 10:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangerDaz View Post
    This is what i didn't get on the Disney's creative decisions!

    The skywalker family ends. The Palpatine family lives on... Palpatine wins either way (losing or winning the fight). Adopting a new name is a joke...

    Really, Disney?
    Yeah, really!

    It gives them the chance to rehash Kylo Ren in like 10-20 years from now, having Rey's child aspiring to be like the grand-grandfather! (/s)
    /spit@Blizzard

  20. #4080
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    What's wrong with Papa Palpatine being alive? Didn't you hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? Did you see his dead body? Was he a powerful Force user who could survive the fall? Sith Alchemy? Was it wrong of him to survive in EU as well? Is it wrong to incorporate legend stuff into the canon?

    You are not a SW fan if you are not ok with the big P being alive. He's like the greatest character of the whole trilogy of trilogies.
    He sure is not treated like the greatest character of all the trilogies by dying to what shoud be a novice jedi deflecting his force lightning with 2 lightsabers after delivering a one liner that seems like it came from an avengers endgame parody.

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