View Poll Results: Rate the movie STAR WARS™: The Rise of Skywalker™

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    153 24.40%
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  1. #4101
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    The result isn't the important part of RotJ, the turning from the Dark Side to the Light Side of Vader is the important part. It stands true regardless. And it's not like they spared him, they thought they killed him.

    I mean, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the core of Star Wars is.

    I'm not saying Palpatine being alive is a good story hook. In fact, I said if it proved to be in this movie that it was literally him in the same body, that'd be dumb. But it doesn't "invalidate the central victory of the saga." Jeez.
    I mean, sure. Anakin's redemption was part of the point. But you don't get to decide what's important or not. Clearly Vader/Anakin killing Palpatine, the evil Emperor he put into power mattered to many people. Yes, him surviving doesn't ruin Anakin's redemption per se but it does take away from the satisfaction the original end of this story had and for what exactly? Just so they could milk one more old character?

    You can't tell me that Palpatine surviving Vader, Luke, Han and Leia doesn't detract from the end of Episode 6. They probably even knew this and decided to go for it anyways because they obviously had no idea where to go with these movies apart from reinvoking nostalgia with updated visuals. Watching this franchise cannibalize itself for some cheap moments is just disgusting.

  2. #4102
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    The result isn't the important part of RotJ, the turning from the Dark Side to the Light Side of Vader is the important part. It stands true regardless. And it's not like they spared him, they thought they killed him.

    I mean, this is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the core of Star Wars is.

    I'm not saying Palpatine being alive is a good story hook. In fact, I said if it proved to be in this movie that it was literally him in the same body, that'd be dumb. But it doesn't "invalidate the central victory of the saga." Jeez.
    No it isn’t. You using headcanon doesn’t mean anything. That’s what it used to mean, until George Lucas himself recontextualized it. He’s said multiple times what the chosen one means and what Anakin meant.

    It’s not a core misunderstanding. It’s you not accepting what the word of god says, likely because you don’t like it.

  3. #4103
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    None of these people are Kathleen Kennedy, which is the point. Seriously, it's like blaming the Weinsteins for any of the flops they made. She is not a creative. She is an executive. She hired people who are generally considered competent, and she ushered the movie to release, while acting as its spokesperson. She may have some blame in not forcing a collaboration between the directors, but the directors knew each other and also didn't try and collaborate with each other.

    But blaming her for the shitty writing is hilarious, at best.
    I think in JJ's case, you can tell what he was going to do with Star Wars after seeing Star Trek, the others I'm not familiar with.

  4. #4104
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldielocks View Post
    No it isn’t. You using headcanon doesn’t mean anything. That’s what it used to mean, until George Lucas himself recontextualized it. He’s said multiple times what the chosen one means and what Anakin meant.

    It’s not a core misunderstanding. It’s you not accepting what the word of god says, likely because you don’t like it.
    Lucas rewrote canon constantly. He’s no longer the god of Star Wars, ergo what he says no longer matters.
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  5. #4105
    Saw it. Terrible. Terrible terrible terrible terrible. Insultingly terrible.

    Unimaginative, shallow, vapid. Paint by numbers. It was like someone combed Reddit for the most witless chuds with the most braindead ideas about what Star Wars is "really about," congealed those ideas into a script (while hopped up on what can only be described as a heroic amount of cocaine), and decided to spoon feed it to the audience like they're babies. Like big overgrown babies who have no clue where mommy is until she says "peekaboo." Like the kind of people for whom Harry Potter is too high-brow.

    Should have given the whole thing to Rian Johnson. What a waste.

  6. #4106
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Lucas rewrote canon constantly. He’s no longer the god of Star Wars, ergo what he says no longer matters.
    That's not a retort. The movie doesn't rewrite any of it. The film just ignores the implications.

    What, do you think fans have the same status as the filmmakers or something?

  7. #4107
    Spoiler Free Review:
    Absolute garbage. They ruined Palpatines character and wasted Kylo Ren at his BEST moment. Just poofs away and then the big ass plot hole in the beginning??? I give this 1 star only for Kylo Ren, C3-P0, Lando, and Finn’s fan service that he should’ve gotten when Kylo was trying to grab the lightsaber in TFA

    Spoiler Review:
    Rey gains abilities out of her asshole and beyond. Palpatine returns the fuck out of no where with just him reprising episode 3, the best film in this saga, which is an insult to that movie. Palpatines dialogue is abysmal. How they killed him off is so disrespectful to the character. Doesn’t sound like him at all. Hux just is a spy for god knows what reason only to be killed off by some memberry character with hardly a character to remember. Finn never expresses his feelings for Rey. Poe never expresses his feelings for Finn. I could go on and on but I wont. Kathleen Kennedy, go FUCK YOURSELF.
    "You know you that bitch when you cause all this conversation."

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    I also like how they decided to retcon Luke into knowing about Palpatine, trying to kill his own nephew and then fucking off to some random planet to hide like a coward. That's such a Luke Skywalker thing to do.

    Also who the fuck made the convenient as hell dagger that has a extendable hilt that perfectly lines up with the fallen wreckage of the Death Star(that despite being blown into a million pieces didn't actually explode but rather just break apart and crash into a planet) and shows you where you need to find some stupid wayfinder..?!

  9. #4109
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldielocks View Post
    That's not a retort. The movie doesn't rewrite any of it. The film just ignores the implications.

    What, do you think fans have the same status as the filmmakers or something?
    No, but Lucas fucked up episode 4 and it had to be saved in the edit. 5 and 6 were mostly done by others. The prequels, where he had total control, were fucking awful. The new movies are miles better than the prequels, even episode 9 which is the weakest of the 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguinerd View Post
    I also like how they decided to retcon Luke into knowing about Palpatine, trying to kill his own nephew and then fucking off to some random planet to hide like a coward. That's such a Luke Skywalker thing to do.

    Also who the fuck made the convenient as hell dagger that has a extendable hilt that perfectly lines up with the fallen wreckage of the Death Star(that despite being blown into a million pieces didn't actually explode but rather just break apart and crash into a planet) and shows you where you need to find some stupid wayfinder..?!
    They told you who made it in the film...
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  10. #4110
    Quote Originally Posted by Babadoo View Post
    Fuckin this new trilogy makes the prequel triology look like Citizen Kane. Holy shit this was a total waste. And Rey is literally the worst Star Wars character ever. Op like shit and annoying cunt. Jar Jar looks like an Oscar performance next to her.
    We all know that was going to happen. You didn't have to go see the last one if you didn't like the first 2. You think this was magically turn things around for the trilogy? Doubtful.

  11. #4111
    Quote Originally Posted by TheramoreIsTheBomb View Post
    Spoiler Free Review:
    Absolute garbage. They ruined Palpatines character and wasted Kylo Ren at his BEST moment. Just poofs away and then the big ass plot hole in the beginning??? I give this 1 star only for Kylo Ren, C3-P0, Lando, and Finn’s fan service that he should’ve gotten when Kylo was trying to grab the lightsaber in TFA

    Spoiler Review:
    Rey gains abilities out of her asshole and beyond. Palpatine returns the fuck out of no where with just him reprising episode 3, the best film in this saga, which is an insult to that movie. Palpatines dialogue is abysmal. How they killed him off is so disrespectful to the character. Doesn’t sound like him at all. Hux just is a spy for god knows what reason only to be killed off by some memberry character with hardly a character to remember. Finn never expresses his feelings for Rey. Poe never expresses his feelings for Finn. I could go on and on but I wont. Kathleen Kennedy, go FUCK YOURSELF.
    Good, good. Let the hate flow through you.

    To me the worst is that ending which makes no sense other than to be a nostalgia bomb. Rey goes to Tatooine to honor the Skywalkers. Only... Shmi died there, Anakin hated the place, Luke wanted to leave as soon as she could and Leia's spent time there as a half naked slave to a giant slug. There is zero good reasons for that to be the place for her to honor them. Then to top it all off she takes the last name for herself, which again makes no sense because she knew Leia as a solo and she only lived with Luke for all of 5 minutes and the two didn't really get along well. The ending only existed so they could do a shitty call back Luke with the Binary stars set. Stupid, horrible, shitty insulting ending.

  12. #4112
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    No, but Lucas fucked up episode 4 and it had to be saved in the edit. 5 and 6 were mostly done by others. The prequels, where he had total control, were fucking awful. The new movies are miles better than the prequels, even episode 9 which is the weakest of the 3.
    Yeah, but still having Palpatine alive seriously fucks with the cohesion of these three trilogies. I can't even disagree that the chosen one part fucked up a father saving a son. Honestly it would have been better for it to remain that way, but it didn't.

    One can't just ignore what has been changed. It's exactly what fucked this movie, since JJ couldn't accept what Rian had changed in his vision and had to fit multiple movies worth of plot to get it back. It's really like JJ didn't accept the chosen one prophecy and pretended it didn't exist. We know from the Mortis episodes in TCW that it did.

  13. #4113
    Quote Originally Posted by Bennett View Post
    You're literally the opposite of correct here - it's the only Star Wars film WITHOUT soul

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    I'm gonna say it - Calling yourself Skywalker when you have literally no connection to any Skywalker is weirdchamp
    Cause she considered Luke and Leia the closest thing to a mother/father to her after her parents died. They had a close connection (supposedly...the movies don't go far enough to show that though). It's weird, but justifiable.

  14. #4114
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    They told you who made it in the film...
    Yes which was a bloody nice coincidence, just like how Rey just happened to stand in the correct spot. They could've approached from any direction but nah.. why bother

    Some crackpot Sith has a vision of the future and decides to forge a lame dagger lmao

    Not to mention they found the dagger BY ACCIDENT
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  15. #4115
    Feeling the dark side of the Force here.

    The tasty tasty hate...
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  16. #4116
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguinerd View Post
    Yes which was a bloody nice coincidence, just like how Rey just happened to stand in the correct spot. They could've approached from any direction but nah.. why bother

    Some crackpot Sith has a vision of the future and decides to forge a lame dagger lmao

    Not to mention they found the dagger BY ACCIDENT
    It’s almost like she was guided by some mystical power... or force...
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  17. #4117
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The prequels, where he had total control, were fucking awful. The new movies are miles better than the prequels, even episode 9 which is the weakest of the 3.
    Sorry but no. I will take a trilogy with bad dialog and dated graphics with a good continuous story over one with zero directions whose only accomplishments are undoing and retconing the past just to return everything to wear it was from the start.

  18. #4118
    One thing I have to say about this new trilogy is they didn't expand on the Jedi mythos. Hate on the prequels all you want, but they introduced a lot of Jedi concepts and mythology that we use to this day, such as Master/Padawan system, the Jedi High Council, and the Sith as a concept (ancient enemy of the Jedi).

    The sequel trilogy references the Jedi mythos, but expands on it barely if at all.

  19. #4119
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    The main issues are...

    1) him being alive undermines he end of RotJ.
    2) nothing was set up regarding him returning in the previous 2 films. He comes out of nowhere to go raaaawr i'm the bad guy then dies almost as fast.
    Do they at least try to reckon it up with the chosen one prophesy?

    I mean the whole story of anakin/vader is him bringing balance to the force by ending the jedi and the sith.

    But then I guess the whole last 3 episodes haven't made much sense in that regard.

    Also where did the first order even come from. I haven't seen the latest one but is that addressed?

  20. #4120
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    Sorry but no. I will take a trilogy with bad dialog and dated graphics with a good continuous story over one with zero directions whose only accomplishments are undoing and retconing the past just to return everything to wear it was from the start.
    More power to ya. I’ll take the new trilogy over the prequels every day of the week. It’s almost like different people have different opinions...
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