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  1. #5661
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    It’s not that he’s good for doing it it’s that when god/the devil shows you a vision of the future and you think it’s real it’s understandable that you would have some impulses on said vision.

    The fact that he stops him self from acting on a divine vision is good though and is better then getting upset because an old man said Your freinds were gonna die even though killing said old man does nothing to help them.
    It did a lot until these movies started. But I guess Rey did nothing, either.

    How is it Divine, btw? The force isn't a Divine being in movie Canon. And he was going to do it. How manner killers told them for told them to do it?

  2. #5662
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Lucas said that the EU was like an alternate universe its canon to it self which also includes the movies. As far as the company (Lucas films) the EU was the canon while Lucas ignored it when making the movies.

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    Lucas didn’t direct the EU he flat out said he doesn't read any of it and it was an alternate universe. Lucas had a hand in the clone wars cartoon but that is likely it.
    Lucas very much did. He outlined who had to do what and who could die and turn evil specifically in vong saga.

  3. #5663
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'm absolutely not suggesting it was somehow "noble". I'm saying it was horrible. I compared it to cocking a fist to punch your girlfriend. How the fuck is that suggesting it's "a noble move"?

    I was pointing out Luke has always walked this line. The victory in RotJ was that Luke did not fall to his own darker impulses, and that nobility inspired his father into one final act of rebellion against his master. Luke didn't "win" in the OT by being purely light-sided. He "won" by nearly falling to the Dark Side, and keeping himself from doing so.

    I like comparing the Dark Side to alcoholism. With that comparison, the final battle of RotJ isn't Luke living a happy life without alcohol or temptation. It's Luke sitting in a bar, with a glass of whiskey held in front of him, relishing the smell, trying to fight the urge to drink it. And he finally puts it down, and his dad comes into the bar and says "let's get out of here". This is not a story of someone who's not an alcoholic. It's someone who's on the edge of a bender, but manages to stay dry through strength of will. And the thing about alcoholism is that you never get over it. You might stay sober for 30 years, and then slip. And that's what we see in TLJ; a slip.

    That doesn't make it a good thing. It's a terrible thing. But it is in keeping with the Luke we saw in the OT, who struggled with his Dark Side urges throughout.



    I mean, if you consider the timeline, probably, right? No slaughter of the Younglings, the Jedi remain strong and can resist Palpatine, the Empire likely never emerges as it did under Sidious and Vader's thumbs, etc. But that's hindsight.

    And again; I'm not defending Luke's action. I'm defending the writing of Luke doing a terrible thing. Based on his history of similar terrible urges, from the OT.



    He literally did, in the OT.



    We've been given no indication that this was the case.

    Also, it wasn't that Ben exhibited a little bit of anger or fear. It was a prophetic vision of thousands dead by Ben's hand. A vision that was true, as it turns out.



    That's sort of the point. That's why Luke didn't try again. It's why he took all the Jedi teachings and hid them with him on Ach-to. Because the Jedi fucked up, he fucked up, and he doesn't want to risk himself or anyone else fucking up again.
    The Jedi are shit because he caused all this by trying to murder someone. And this IS Luke's fault. All the death and suffering is 100% his fault since he caused it to be true.

    But no killing himself for being corrupted.

    And you are defending it. That's why you're

    A. Comparing murder to abuse

    B. Saying murdering your sleeping nephew is exactly the same as fighting a galactic tyrant.

    C. Actually said Anakin should have been killed

    The original Jedi order was trash. But by giving tone deaf advice, they did more to prevent disaster than Luke ushering it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    It did a lot until these movies started. But I guess Rey did nothing, either.

    How is it Divine, btw? The force isn't a Divine being in movie Canon. And he was going to do it. How manner killers told them for told them to do it?
    Your post doesn’t really make sense to read so I’ll just respond to the divine part.

    To the Jedi the force or more strictly the light side is very much so divine/god the Jedi order is a religion based off of it as are the sith. The force is very much so the god of the Starwars universe guiding and binding every thing and the Jedi very much so treat it as one in all Starwars canons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    Lucas very much did. He outlined who had to do what and who could die and turn evil specifically in vong saga.
    Lucas stated numerous times that he didn’t deal with the Eu that it was to much for him to keep track of that he didn’t read the books and saw them as an alternate universe. Sure he could have been lying though this teeth all of those times but I’ve never seen any statements to point other wise.
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  5. #5665
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Your post doesn’t really make sense to read so I’ll just respond to the divine part.

    To the Jedi the force or more strictly the light side is very much so divine/god the Jedi order is a religion based off of it as are the sith. The force is very much so the god of the Starwars universe guiding and binding every thing and the Jedi very much so treat it as one in all Starwars canons.
    If killing the emperor was meaningless then, it has to be meaningless now. Think.

    And it is not established like that in the movie. Don't link a comic. No movie universe should require dlc to make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    If killing the emperor was meaningless then, it has to be meaningless now. Think.

    And it is not established like that in the movie. Don't link a comic. No movie universe should require dlc to make sense.
    Ah, that’s what you meant. Killing the emperor was meaningless in saving his freinds if they were actually in danger as he said. Sure it helps the galaxy but if Han and chewy had blasters to there heads on the moon at that moment killing him does nothing to save them.

    I also don’t need to link a comic but if I did it would be just as legitimate as the movies as the universe isn’t limited to the movies. But any way the prequels show that the Jedi were an organized religion and yoda describes the force as a Devine guiding hand that binds and connects every thing in empire iE god. The clone wars cartoon reinforces this view which Lucas is on record saying it’s the same to him as the movies as far as canon goes.

    So in each and every canon the force is the god of Starwars.
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  7. #5667
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Your post doesn’t really make sense to read so I’ll just respond to the divine part.

    To the Jedi the force or more strictly the light side is very much so divine/god the Jedi order is a religion based off of it as are the sith. The force is very much so the god of the Starwars universe guiding and binding every thing and the Jedi very much so treat it as one in all Starwars canons.

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    Lucas stated numerous times that he didn’t deal with the Eu that it was to much for him to keep track of that he didn’t read the books and saw them as an alternate universe. Sure he could have been lying though this teeth all of those times but I’ve never seen any statements to point other wise.
    He may have said that but the authors also clearly stated he gave them direction, so i guess he was either full of shit or did it to spite all the angry nerds on the internet arguing about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    He may have said that but the authors also clearly stated he gave them direction, so i guess he was either full of shit or did it to spite all the angry nerds on the internet arguing about it.
    Lucas said a Lot of nonsense but this is one he restated again and again so I can’t say I doubt it. It could very well be that the authors were referring to his basic outlines stuff like not being able to show anakins birth/father.

  9. #5669
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    My "hostility" is because they decanonized everything including the Thrawn trilogy which is a much better story than the shitshow that is the sequel trilogy. It's not one person it was the official system the canon categories are at the bottom of the article.
    I really don't understand this obsession people have with "cannon" vs. "non-cannon". At the end of the day, these stories only exist in your head, and nothing is actually "cannon". Nothing is stopping you from going on with the notion that the Thrawn trilogy is "real" Star Wars, because in reality there is no Star Wars.

  10. #5670
    Has anyone else facepalmed at the effects they used for blowing up a planet? Fire, Smoke and Chunks of planet like a real explosion ? Is this 1960?

    It's 2020. Pretty sure blowing up a planet involves more physics than just blowing a grenade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cordrann View Post
    I really don't understand this obsession people have with "cannon" vs. "non-cannon". At the end of the day, these stories only exist in your head, and nothing is actually "cannon". Nothing is stopping you from going on with the notion that the Thrawn trilogy is "real" Star Wars, because in reality there is no Star Wars.
    The whole point of canon is that when new content for something comes out it pulls from what’s canon. For example we’re not gonna get star trek characters showing up in Starwars so if you want it to be canon that the empire will fight the borg there’s never gonna be any content based on that.

    So if you want new content where the thrawn trilogy happens and is referenced your kinda screwed but if you don’t care about new content and you just want the old stuff then canon doesn’t matter.

  12. #5672
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    I don't care about a personal opinion you're allowed to have them, but when you start attacking others who enjoy it, directors, actors, etc you're a terrible "fan".
    You can proudly declare yourself a fan of the Transformers movies, or Batman & Robin, but few do, because those films are terrible.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    I want the ruins of K'aresh for 9.0 as I envision it as Netherstorm on steroids. A broken, shattered world. Eco-domes are stuck on various chunks to protect flora & fauna. I imagine a K'aresh ocean & maybe some islands contained in an eco dome or a snow-capped peak with some jungle valleys in another. Flesh version of Ethereals that never got altered. Space platforms as in Starcraft. Just a totally fantastic tileset & theme that I'd be very keen to explore. They could do some wild things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
    You can proudly declare yourself a fan of the Transformers movies, or Batman & Robin, but few do, because those films are terrible.
    I’d proudly say I’m a fan of batman and robin it’s an awful movie but awful in a great way, my favourite batman movie in fact.

  14. #5674
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I’d proudly say I’m a fan of batman and robin it’s an awful movie but awful in a great way, my favourite batman movie in fact.
    "Hey Batman, what killed the dinosaurs!? The ice age!!!"
    "Everybody chill, chill! CHILL!" *while firing freeze gun*
    "Let's kick some ice!"
    "I'm afraid the air conditioners left me COLD to your pleas of mercy."
    "Ice to see you."
    "You're not sending me to the cooler!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    "Hey Batman, what killed the dinosaurs!? The ice age!!!"
    "Everybody chill, chill! CHILL!" *while firing freeze gun*
    "Let's kick some ice!"
    "I'm afraid the air conditioners left me COLD to your pleas of mercy."
    "Ice to see you."
    "You're not sending me to the cooler!"
    See no other batman movie has such cool puns that’s what makes it the best!

  16. #5676
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    See no other batman movie has such cool puns that’s what makes it the best!
    Well it definitely made me laugh, but not for the right reasons, I was laughing at it, not with it, not sure that's what Joel Schumacher intended, but that whole movie was just a 90 minute toy commercial anyway.

    One movie that's so bad it's good I love is Street Fighter, but it's just because of how amazing Raul Julia is. That man was so talented, nothing he did was ever bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    Well it definitely made me laugh, but not for the right reasons, I was laughing at it, not with it, not sure that's what Joel Schumacher intended, but that whole movie was just a 90 minute toy commercial anyway.

    One movie that's so bad it's good I love is Street Fighter, but it's just because of how amazing Raul Julia is. That man was so talented, nothing he did was ever bad.
    If you can’t get abunch of horrible ice puns out of a batman movie what’s the point. I mean I could make orphans fight for my entertainment at any orphanage.

  18. #5678
    It was an amazing movie and a fit ending for for the franchise.

  19. #5679
    I just realized another flaw in the whole sequel series because of JJ loving to rehash and copy:

    The galactic government let hundred of thousands of kids get kidnapped by the first order as well as millions kidnapped by Palpatine. There are only 2 wayfinders in existence how on earth did they get all those kids to the planet when both wayfinders were outside in the normal galaxy? And even if they could go out, how did anyone not notice ships larger enough to hold that many kids? Or did Palpatine just grab a handful and when they became adults and had em fuck like rabbits? Or did he send people there before he died and everyone is just like 60-70 years old?

  20. #5680
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    As for Poe "needing" to destroy the Dreadnaught....no. The plan, as agreed upon, was to jump to hyperspace and flee, but Poe felt the need to destroy the Dreadnaught cause it was too big a trophy for him to pass up. If they couldn't trace through hyperspace, again, that plan would have worked, and the bombers would have been intact and fine. They obviously didn't know that they could be tracked, but they had the best plan for what they knew. He only "saved" them inadvertently, by complete fucking accident, because had the Dreadnaught come out on the other side of the hyperspace jump, it would have been able to easily destroy the fleet, unlike the other ships.
    Your last line is correct, which is why Poe was correct. If they give up their chance to destroy the Dreadnought, as Poe did, it's going to continue to wreak havoc. Even if they were able to get away with the light speed jump, the Dreadnought would annihilate them at a later point. Fortunately for Poe, we get to find out immediately that he's the smartest guy in the organization as they all would have been immediately killed if Poe did not take the Dreadnought out.

    And now that we know Poe's the smartest guy there, he has a command level rank, the troops admire him, and you know he will take initiative to make his own plans when he sees a need, and he's going to do whatever it takes to save the resistance, which is exactly why you include him in the planning committee.

    "but Holdo didn't know who the mole was"...yeah, probably the guy that just destroyed the biggest weapon your enemy has, that would have taken them years to make including an incredible amount of resources...yeah, that guy's the mole.

    "Take the time to sit down and talk with your adversaries. You will learn something, and they will learn something from you. When two enemies are talking, they are not fighting. It's when the talking ceases that the ground becomes fertile for violence. So keep the conversation going."
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