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    167 26.63%
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    91 14.51%
  1. #5721
    Boyega is out because he is probably sick of playing the glorified jar jar binks of the sequels. It feels like half his lines in RoS were shouting "Rey!". They essentially cast 2 people in the role of Han Solo stand-in because Poe was originally supposed to die but they kept him around anyway because they liked the character. Because of that Fin never turned into the swashbuckler type after overcoming his anxiety and instead was shoved into the role of comedic relief in VIII and got the handbag-holder treatment in IX.

    Half his character's motivation in the first movie was chasing rey's pussy, same for the second. You could probably argue the same for the third, but it's obvious that alot of plot got left on the cutting room floor. The writers never bothered to resolve that plot in any of the 3 movies, because even Johnson's shoe-horned replacement in the form of Rose Tico never went anywhere put a final nail in the "underdog romance". Certainly not with the non-existent chemistry between rose and fin. Then he just became the puppy that trudges after her in IX and if you've seen some of the interviews with him it's obvious that he didn't enjoy that role by the end. Seeing his twitter posts just confirms this to me, the guy doesn't want be pigeonholed into the soyboy role and forever be the butt-end of all jokes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Aren't those characters brothers?
    That has never stopped those degenerates. Some of the shit they post on twitter, especially about Driver's wive, is really vile as well. These guys live in their own dream worlds where the screen charcters need to also be into one another IRL.
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  2. #5722
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    When Lucas handed over Star Wars to Disney and Kathleen Kennedy he called the EU a "treasure trove" of material that they expected to be the source of many movies to come, with Kennedy vowing to protect that material. So while Lucas always said the EU wasn't his story, and Lucasfilm noted Lucas wasn't bound by the EU when creating the prequels, I don't think Lucas ever said "it's not canon", and it's clear he expected Disney to keep the EU and his characters as they were.
    Then Kennedy promptly forgot 40 years worth of Star Wars literature existed. Like, that's on "Daenerys forgot about the Iron Fleet" levels of stupid.

  3. #5723
    I enjoyed the film. Too overstuffed but Ridley and Driver were good and it had some great moments.

    FX and sound were truly extraordinary.

  4. #5724
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Aren't those characters brothers?
    And now you understand why it's very freaking weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Then Kennedy promptly forgot 40 years worth of Star Wars literature existed. Like, that's on "Daenerys forgot about the Iron Fleet" levels of stupid.
    Jarjar Abrams isn't able to work with a product where he can't just scatter mystery boxes it's fairly obvious it was decanonized because they didn't want to work around the EU due to laziness.

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    I just figured out how to describe the sequel trilogy it's a fanfiction blend of Twilight and the OT. You have the super special girl and the brooding rebel against authority replacing Luke and Vader respectively and then the overall structure is pretty much the same as the OT right down to ending with Vader I mean Kylo dying and redeeming himself . Maybe next time they can cross it with Independence Day and everyone can die instead.

  5. #5725
    Remember, it's the Star Wars fans who hated the new trilogy, and called it out for being the heaping pile of shit it is, that is supposedly toxic according to journos and certain narratives.
    Bogeya turned out to be a pretty based lad after all.





  6. #5726
    Ah. The cycle continues and people who are concerned about "toxicity" magically shut the fuck up when it comes from people they agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragedaug View Post
    When Lucas handed over Star Wars to Disney and Kathleen Kennedy he called the EU a "treasure trove" of material that they expected to be the source of many movies to come, with Kennedy vowing to protect that material. So while Lucas always said the EU wasn't his story, and Lucasfilm noted Lucas wasn't bound by the EU when creating the prequels, I don't think Lucas ever said "it's not canon", and it's clear he expected Disney to keep the EU and his characters as they were.
    Lucas said a ton of times that he didn’t read the Eu and that he didn’t know any thing about it and he saw it as an alternate universe there’s no way he expected them to keep to it when he didn’t even know what was in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Then Kennedy promptly forgot 40 years worth of Star Wars literature existed. Like, that's on "Daenerys forgot about the Iron Fleet" levels of stupid.
    The EU wasn’t forgotten it was moved away from as it was mostly hot garbage that locked them into a ton of nonsense they have been pulling good things(and some bad) from the EU None stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    And now you understand why it's very freaking weird.

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    Jarjar Abrams isn't able to work with a product where he can't just scatter mystery boxes it's fairly obvious it was decanonized because they didn't want to work around the EU due to laziness.
    They ripped a ton of this movie right out of the EU decolonizing it makes no sense if it’s just to be lazy as it’s more work to try and make the world work and pull stuff from it instead of just leaving the EU as canon.
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  8. #5728
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    People on Twitter need to get the hell over themselves and stop thinking the world exists to serve their self interests.

    My man is clearly having fun and people want to get all serious because he used some colorful language.
    But.. but ... he hurt people’s feeeeeeeeelings!
    (Read that in the whiniest way possible) :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Ah. The cycle continues and people who are concerned about "toxicity" magically shut the fuck up when it comes from people they agree with.
    I agree with them that kylo shouldn’t have died but there still toxic as is par for the Starwars course.

  10. #5730
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I agree with them that kylo shouldn’t have died but there still toxic as is par for the Starwars course.
    I don't see people dedicated to talking about them in this thread. But, then again. This is the forum where not liking TLJ is enough to have the word toxic start appearing.

    Besides. We all know JJ is free game while RJ isn't allowed to be questioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    I don't see people dedicated to talking about them in this thread. But, then again. This is the forum where not liking TLJ is enough to have the word toxic start appearing.

    Besides. We all know JJ is free game while RJ isn't allowed to be questioned.
    I’d assume when some one says the fanbase is toxic they would include stuff like this or any general attack on movie makers/actors but I could be wrong.

  12. #5732
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Ah. The cycle continues and people who are concerned about "toxicity" magically shut the fuck up when it comes from people they agree with.
    The best part is honestly seeing SJW trash, or progressive's turn full racist shitheads when it comes to Bogeya after his twitter posts.

    You can take a wild guess what forum this is from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangebrew View Post
    The best part is honestly seeing SJW trash, or progressive's turn full racist shitheads when it comes to Bogeya after his twitter posts.

    You can take a wild guess what forum this is from.
    https://i.gyazo.com/a5e1d5f6e016185e...a7ae608550.png
    Seems more likely they were being sexist if they are SjW’s But you never know.

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    It was... passable. That second movie was still some of the worst shit to ever happen to star wars, but this was passable. I can't wait to see them butcher what little of Rey's character there actually is in like 2-3 decades.
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  15. #5735
    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    I just figured out how to describe the sequel trilogy it's a fanfiction blend of Twilight and the OT. You have the super special girl and the brooding rebel against authority replacing Luke and Vader respectively and then the overall structure is pretty much the same as the OT right down to ending with Vader I mean Kylo dying and redeeming himself . Maybe next time they can cross it with Independence Day and everyone can die instead.
    You forgot something important that was pivotal to the Twilight movies... topless male scene to show off how buff they are to the female lead! I do remember the first thought I had when I saw TLJ and that Force Skype call between Rey and Kylo after they cut to him shirtless... "Please don't say Kylo is a lycan... please don't go there..." Ironically enough, I almost thought JJ was going to treat TLJ like they treated most of the last act in the Twilight movies: almost the entire ending was just a premonition. I'm sure I'm missing parallels, but I've only seen those movies once when my wife wanted to see them when they were popular.

    So I went back and rewatched the entire new trilogy just to see if I could get a different read on it when I was rewatching it, and it really comes off a high-budget fan fiction. I can understand why people would get a little irate about a high budget film feeling only like a fan fiction (not Twitter crazy, but Twitter does tend to attract younger people who get a little... emotional, to say the least). The entire trilogy feels like someone wrote themselves as the protagonist via Rey. Considering all the comments from the people (Kennedy, JJ, etc.) in charge throughout the production of these movies, it's not really a surprise that Rey came off as such with most of the other characters existing to validate her.

    Say what you want about the prequels, I could at least tell what the story was and follow the narrative, and I could explain the plot for the trilogy with relative confidence. Yes, most of the dialogue got in the way and was pretty horrid, and only a few actors managed to pull off the lines in a convincing/good manner (McGregor and McDiarmid)... but if you view what you're seeing and hearing as an opera instead of just a movie, it makes a lot more sense/enjoyable. I'd argue that some of the best scenes in the Star Wars movies actually come from the prequels, especially the opera scene between Palpatine and Anakin (helps that almost the entire scene is kept to McDiarmid's dialogue, and the entire atmosphere of the scene really comes off great).

    When it comes to the new trilogy, I can't make the same parallels. A lot of it has to do with (sorry to beat a dead horse here) Disney having no plan. Lucas, with all his flaws and tendencies to go off the rails, still had an overall vision and plan that is apparent in his movies. Seriously, just try to think of what happens in each of the trilogies and the themes the trilogies try to grapple with along the way. OT and prequels have a storyline and character arcs/motivations that deal with some serious themes, and I'm sure people could rattle off a general storyline/themes that a person who hadn't seen the OT/prequels could understand and relate to. The new trilogy? Here, I'll give Johnson some credit here: he tried to interject themes to some degree into his movie, and everything just came off nihilistic in the end. Otherwise, everything just becomes an muddled mess with no real message/theme in this new trilogy.
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  16. #5736
    Pure garbage and I'm not even disappointed. Only a miracle could redeem the previous two and this was the wrong kind of miracle

  17. #5737
    You can say anything you want about the movies, but they had fantastic actors on their hand like Driver and Isaac. Ridley will probably have a harder time moving on from this, hell Driver and Isaac had better movie then star wars to their name before and during star wars. Luckily its unlikelly these movies were enough to stop their career, if it does, it would be another shit from this movie. Id understand them coming back for the money, but id increase my cost by a shotload if i was them and disney wanted em back. They are worth more then disney star wars. Isaac was already a well loved actor with very good roles to his name, fuck star wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangebrew View Post
    Remember, it's the Star Wars fans who hated the new trilogy, and called it out for being the heaping pile of shit it is, that is supposedly toxic according to journos and certain narratives.
    Bogeya turned out to be a pretty based lad after all.




    so what's the issue here? are people so angry that kylo ren was killed?
    I don't really care much for star wars, went in and watched it (didn't see the previous one, so read up on it) and thought it was fine

  19. #5739
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiase View Post
    so what's the issue here? are people so angry that kylo ren was killed?
    I don't really care much for star wars, went in and watched it (didn't see the previous one, so read up on it) and thought it was fine
    Some, others is that the story between Rey and Kylo means its "glorifiying" women abuse. The rest of the world needs to start working with my system. When ever someone starts anything with: "Objectification" and "Glorification", you need to simply not read their text, nothing smart is coming out of it.

  20. #5740
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I’d assume when some one says the fanbase is toxic they would include stuff like this or any general attack on movie makers/actors but I could be wrong.
    No. You can see that from the lack of awareness of people calling others toxic while deeming others sexist or racist for not worshipping a character or the movies.

    It'd be one thing if those people really did only focus on that kind of stupidity. But that isn't the case.

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