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  1. #6201
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    Finally saw it.

    Okay it was better than The Last Jedi but that isn't saying very much. It still felt victim to a convoluted story and bad plot elements. I really do not think they needed to bring Palpatine back. It felt like forced fan service. And once again they didn't explain Snoke very well other than him being some stupid creation. Why? I guess who cares!?!

    I was also expecting a huge space battle at the end with the civilian ships but they just stood their and did nothing. What happened to the FO fleet? Were they down to just a couple of ships after TLJ? Well wherever they were they just decided to spontaneously blow up at the end.

    Acting was tolerable but I really hate the alien design on the prequels esp when they sound like humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Trevorrow's draft of Episode IX has apparently leaked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ShS32kJclU

    Synopsis

    https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...arly_draft_of/
    People would have cried more about that than TLJ.

    SW is generic feel good hero tales only.

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    Man, that script sounds really cool. Wouldn't really have faith in Trevarrow to write it, but the bones of the story are good.

    It hits a couple of key points that I thought the trilogy needed to pay off TLJ:

    1) Kylo Ren is irredeemable.
    2) Kylo is this chaotic, destructive force in the universe (chaotic evil as opposed to Palp/Vader's Lawful Evilness).
    3) Rey struggles to be good. Rebels against being the Light Side. I only read the synopsis, but I'd hope she'd be seriously tempted by the Dark Side at some point.
    4) The Resistance has to scrap together people, making it more of a gritty, guerilla war type thing - I love the idea of starting a revolution on Coruscant, tbh.

    None of these points happened in TRoS, though.

  5. #6205
    Not sure if it would be objectivelly better than what we got, but at least it would have been something different. It also seems like that script had a better handle on proper good use of nostalgia pandering with showing moments from both the Prequels where it makes sense and the Original trilogy where it makes sense, along with pure fanservice like Chewie flying an X-wing.

    It would still carry the taint of posthumously ruining the ending to ROTJ, but at least this time they tried to make it more believable, with the first order being a natural escalation instead of suddenly gaining planet killing cannons in compct form all of a sudden.

    The final fight between Rey and Kylo being on Mortis is probably the plot point that i would have loved to see the most, both because it would be interesting to see what happened to it after the 3 force gods died there in the Clone Wars, and because you could make the fight spectacular given the planet is literally the force according to the Clone Wars.


    Overall, bit of a shame we didn't get it. Even if it had to carry the stink of TFA being a straight remake and TLJ being shoddily written it would be nice to have a movie that at least tried to build on the good ideas of it instead of throwing the babies out with the bathwater for the sake of cramming in more fanservice and nostalgia pandering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Trevorrow's draft of Episode IX has apparently leaked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ShS32kJclU

    Synopsis

    https://old.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLea...arly_draft_of/
    That is one is so much worse than what we got. I am sorry, while it follows TLJ better ... it is a terrible way to end the Skywalker Saga.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    That is one is so much worse than what we got. I am sorry, while it follows TLJ better ... it is a terrible way to end the Skywalker Saga.
    At least it attempts to have some semblance of substance beyond nostalgia pandering. While it wouldnt necessarily be objectively better it would at least have given the sequel trilogy a discernible identity, along with possibly being a more fitting nostalgic end to fans of Star Wars in general, as opposed to fans of the original trilogy specifically.

    Not that it matters, not like it can be recut into this anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    At least it attempts to have some semblance of substance beyond nostalgia pandering. While it wouldnt necessarily be objectively better it would at least have given the sequel trilogy a discernible identity, along with possibly being a more fitting nostalgic end to fans of Star Wars in general, as opposed to fans of the original trilogy specifically.

    Not that it matters, not like it can be recut into this anyways.
    That's true, but given a lot of people hated TLJ because it was "too different" but I suppose there is some median here that balances nostalgia and new.
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    to me, The rise of Skywalker is a pretty decent SW movie with a lot of memorable parts and scenes. However, it does have some big problems, which I can't gloss over. Firstly, I think this movie suffers from TLJ, as a good portion of time is spent on cleaning up the loose ends it made. TLJ was a fun movie, but made some plot problems when the director has to consider making a sequel, I think JJ would have made a very diffrent movie of TLJ, which could have made the transition to TRoS a lot smoother. Then again, as TLJ was so unconventional for a SW movie that it makes for an interesting story nonetheless. Secondly, at a lot of secondary characters could have had some more exposure and some less so. I found the added depth to Poe uninteresting. It's a matter of taste, but I disliked Poe from a start (a budget Han imo), with no interesting story to begin with, however the location and additional characters where fun. Finn & Rose and the Knights of Ren should've gotten more screen time and at least some more exposure (this is where I think TLJ was a problem the most, as the knights of Ren where absent). The last problem for me, is the last scene, it sets of for an interesting continuation, but taking that name is just strange and almost inappropriate at that point to me, although the saber and it's colour is a nice touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    That's true, but given a lot of people hated TLJ because it was "too different" but I suppose there is some median here that balances nostalgia and new.
    I would argue the problem with TLJ was that the casino subplot was stupid, same with the Poe mutiny plot. The main problem i personally have with TLJ though is that most of the showcking twists don't work. The only one that gives weight ot the story and enhances it is Rey not being the child of someone famous or important, all the other ones like Snoke being unceremonisouly killed off does nothing for the story except be shocking, in the same way that it would be shocking in Return of thje Jedi if Palpatine dies by a stroke after getting to the death star.

    RoS suffers from rtying to explain away all the plot points and generally retconning the entire story because people didnt like it, and when it realizes it has nothing left to build on it instead fills the blank spots with empty fanservice and nostalgia pandering, and not even particularly good pandering either.

    This other script would at least be better in that regard. It would build on TLJ and possibly have better fanservice and nostalgia pandering. Though that being said the story could still be absolute dogshit. But we will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I would argue the problem with TLJ was that the casino subplot was stupid, same with the Poe mutiny plot. The main problem i personally have with TLJ though is that most of the showcking twists don't work. The only one that gives weight ot the story and enhances it is Rey not being the child of someone famous or important, all the other ones like Snoke being unceremonisouly killed off does nothing for the story except be shocking, in the same way that it would be shocking in Return of thje Jedi if Palpatine dies by a stroke after getting to the death star.

    RoS suffers from rtying to explain away all the plot points and generally retconning the entire story because people didnt like it, and when it realizes it has nothing left to build on it instead fills the blank spots with empty fanservice and nostalgia pandering, and not even particularly good pandering either.

    This other script would at least be better in that regard. It would build on TLJ and possibly have better fanservice and nostalgia pandering. Though that being said the story could still be absolute dogshit. But we will never know.
    The casino subplot could have worked ... but they stopped to lecture us on hope and oppression every 5 minutes. But, the casino subplot doesn't happen if they handle Poe differently. It would basically eliminate the First Order finding out the Resistance had gotten off the ship ... or had to have some other way of having the battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Man, that script sounds really cool. Wouldn't really have faith in Trevarrow to write it, but the bones of the story are good.

    It hits a couple of key points that I thought the trilogy needed to pay off TLJ:

    1) Kylo Ren is irredeemable.
    This really doesn't fly when you consider the OT.

    Vader was a brutal tyrant and mass murderer, for decades.

    Kylo Ren we see leading some strike teams and throwing tantrums, and the one murder we really see is his dad. Which is awful, sure, but worse than murdering a bunch of children, like Anakin did?

    Anakin redeemed himself. If he could, Kylo can. Particularly as they show Ben/Kylo struggling with it the entire time, unlike Anakin/Vader.

    3) Rey struggles to be good. Rebels against being the Light Side. I only read the synopsis, but I'd hope she'd be seriously tempted by the Dark Side at some point.
    Really needed to be a thing more than the "Kill me!" "Nah" scene with the Emperor.

    Honestly, where I was hoping this shit was gonna go was that Ben would find redemption, and Rey would fall, eyes open, into the Dark Side. Not lured, not manipulated, direct personal knowing choice. That only really works if you want to do another trilogy around the two of them, though, since you want that moment to cap this trilogy off.

    As it stands, all the "you just reached right out to the Dark Side" from TLJ is fairly wasted. And it's not just from TLJ; she Force Lightninged a troop transport and exploded it, by accident. This was "bad" because she thought Chewie was in there, but it's someone not a concern any more when Chewie's okay because he was on a different transport? That loss of control and explosion of power never comes up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    This really doesn't fly when you consider the OT.
    Killing your father is way worse than a bunch of kids you don't know. At least from a traditional storytelling perspective - blood is the most important thing in these stories. Especially when your father is one of the heroes of the story.

    To me, Kylo Ren was far more irredeemable than Anakin, at least how Anakin was presented in the prequels. Anakin in the prequels takes two major steps to the Dark Side: Killing the Tuskans after rescuing his mother, and betraying the Jedi Order to try and save Padme. Both horrendous acts (btw, no one seems to suggest Anakin was irredeemable once he killed Tuskan women/children), but done out of a deep devotion to people he loved.

    Also, we do see Vader struggle with it. It's subtle, because he's wearing a mask, but he often seems lost in thought multiple times after he learns "the Son of Skywalker lives." The offer at the end of ESB was weakness, an attempt to "save" his son by letting him fall to the Dark Side but be by his father's side, after killing Palpatine. Etc, etc.

    Kylo, on the other hand, rejected the people who loved him, in an effort to hide from the pain of the legacy he had inherited from his Skywalker name. Both more cowardly, and more irredeemable. Keep in mind, he hesitated to kill Leia, but showed no remorse when his wingmen ended up doing it for him. His hesitations stem from the fact that he's killing something intrinsic and fundamental - his family unit. There's a reason there's special terms for killing family members: fratricide, patricide, matricide. He showed no mercy in the village in the OPENING SCENE of TFA, he kills Snoke for shits and giggles, and his rage towards the Luke-hologram is palpable and real.

    Kylo Ren, imo, was a perfectly irredeemable villain.

    And I agree, Rey should have voluntarily fallen to the Dark Side. This new leaked script seems to imply only a brief dalliance with the temptation of it, but if I had been writing the script, she would have, in an effort to save the galaxy from a rabid dog Kylo, would join him to appease him, and then find herself relishing in the Dark Side, and then it would be up to the "common men" characters (Poe, Finn, even Lando/Chewy to an extent) to destroy them, possibly with the help of Force Ghost Luke/Anakin/Yoda/Obi Wan, who abandon the natural Force Users for those who were simply good people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    This really doesn't fly when you consider the OT.

    Vader was a brutal tyrant and mass murderer, for decades.

    Kylo Ren we see leading some strike teams and throwing tantrums, and the one murder we really see is his dad. Which is awful, sure, but worse than murdering a bunch of children, like Anakin did?

    Anakin redeemed himself. If he could, Kylo can. Particularly as they show Ben/Kylo struggling with it the entire time, unlike Anakin/Vader.



    Really needed to be a thing more than the "Kill me!" "Nah" scene with the Emperor.

    Honestly, where I was hoping this shit was gonna go was that Ben would find redemption, and Rey would fall, eyes open, into the Dark Side. Not lured, not manipulated, direct personal knowing choice. That only really works if you want to do another trilogy around the two of them, though, since you want that moment to cap this trilogy off.

    As it stands, all the "you just reached right out to the Dark Side" from TLJ is fairly wasted. And it's not just from TLJ; she Force Lightninged a troop transport and exploded it, by accident. This was "bad" because she thought Chewie was in there, but it's someone not a concern any more when Chewie's okay because he was on a different transport? That loss of control and explosion of power never comes up again.
    While I agree that Ben could redeem himself I think its unfair to compare him to Vader.
    Vader found redemption in a space fairy tale. Star Wars has become much more then that. And while he did some monstrous stuff you don't see him slaughter a bunch of kids until the prequels(at least from what I remember). Had the prequels been the first to come up its possible fewer people would be ok with his redemption. Also he's basically a robot/suit of armor for most of the films. Sure you know he's a person but all you see is the shell until his redemption/death when you see this fucked up looking man and realize the pain he must be in and feel sorry for him. Ben on the other hand has already removed his mask when he does his villainous stuff so its much harder to distance him from his actions sure they gave us the dual names but visuals are more effective.

    Personally with how the Force Awakens set up the universe and how TLJ ended I was hoping that General Hux would have betrayed Kylo and left him for dead at the beginning of TROS and then still darkside Kylo is forced to work with Rey and the others to stop the First Order/Hux with Kylo still hoping to take it back. Then at the end you have Ben sacrifice himself for his mom or Rey or whoever redeeming himself. Then if they were to do anymore films set them 1k or more years in the past or future.

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    i honestly think this leak is not worse, at least kylo went full bananas

    both versions had Rey mary sue, but at least in the leak she would beat a retarded and not palpatine with an avengers/thanos/Iron man cringe line

    the only bad thing with the leak i can think that is worse is "the force chose you" like its some sort of god or sentient being
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    Greater details from the end of the supposed Trevorrow script. TBH it's starting to smell a little like bullshit.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m62H56LMB-U

    C-3PO murders a First Order droid to prevent it from calling in reinforcements when he couldn't get the attention of any human characters to stop it.

    R2-D2 gets blown up but then is repaired at the end, during his boot up sequence he projects moments from the OT from his perspective.

    Rey is slashed across the eyes by Kylo blinding her.

    Kylo leaves her and enters a temple on Mortis.

    Whatever it was exactly that they went to Mortis to find/fight over ended up not being there at all.

    Luke appears and has words with Kylo Ren.

    Rey comes back into the picture now and has bandaged her eyes with a strip of cloth, Luke vanishes.

    Rey channels both the Light and Dark side.

    Fight resumes, Rey gets the upper hand this time and Kylo's saber is destroyed, blowing up in his hand.

    Kylo drains the life force from Rey healing him, the metal bits that were fused to his face all out and the Sith corruption seem to be healed too.

    Rey begins pleading to Ben, Leia senses this too and reaches out to him.

    It seems like this is still a Bendemption ending, not an irredeemable Kylo Ren. He feels love for Rey and now accepts that it doesn't not make him weaker. He grabs Rey's hand and the life force flows back into her. At this point he tells her that her last name is Solana and dies.

    At this point Rey ascends to an astral plane and meets with Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda. They applaud her for teaching them something new. They affirm that Rey is correct to utilize both the Dark and the Light and to find the balance within herself. She is given the choice to stay one with the force or to return to the galaxy.

    Hux is now a wannabe force user and has been trying and failing to use the force throughout the last battle. He has a lightsaber collection and when it becomes apparent that the First Order is going to lose he commits seppuku with a purple bladed saber.

    Last scene is Rey beginning to teach a new generation of Jedi on a planet named Modesta.

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    That was an acceptable script but at this point

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    At this point Rey ascends to an astral plane and meets with Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda. They applaud her for teaching them something new.
    I would have left the theater

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    At this point Rey ascends to an astral plane and meets with Luke, Obi-Wan and Yoda. They applaud her for teaching them something new.



    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    Hux is now a wannabe force user and has been trying and failing to use the force throughout the last battle. He has a lightsaber collection and when it becomes apparent that the First Order is going to lose he commits seppuku with a purple bladed saber.
    Wut..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurrora View Post
    It's according to Daisy Ridley herself. JJ wrote drafts for 8 and 9 but Rian didn't go along with it.

    https://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/...abrams-script/
    “Here’s what I think I know. J. J. wrote Episode VII, as well as drafts for VIII & IX," Ridley shared with Le Magazine GEEK (translated by Tumblr user daisyridleys). "Then Rian Johnson arrived and wrote The Last Jedi entirely. I believe there was some sort of general consensus on the main lines of the trilogy, but apart from that, every director writes and realizes his film in his own way. Rian Johnson and J. J. Abrams met to discuss all of this, although Episode VIII is still his very own work. I believe Rian didn’t keep anything from the first draft of Episode VIII.”
    Eh, doesn't really tell us much. How specific was his script, how much did Johnson deviate from it, etc. Daisy Ridley is also probably not very closely involved with this process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    I would have left the theater
    i remember people did that with Leia marry Poppins in space

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