You're factually wrong. Barring Disney continuously fucking up so bad, a few decades for now, people will STILL care for Star Wars. You have to remember, we're the vocal minority. The brunt of these movie audiences are little kids, younger fans, and the general audience moviegoer who doesn't even care that much about the lore and just wants to unwind from the 40 hour work week by watching a melodramatic space opera with ships, explosions, and breathtaking special effects.
What the diehard fan thinks doesn't matter, and most intelligent fans should know Lucas is no longer the owner of Star Wars, and will have no more creative input going forward. That's like saying none of the MCU counts and fans can dismiss it because Stan Lee had no creative input or collaboration with any of those films. Lucas will always be known as the creator, but he no longer owns the IP, Disney can do what it pleases with the lore, is legally, and factually within their right to do so, and that's the end of the discussion. You either like Star Wars going forward, or you don't, but it's owned by Disney, written by Disney, and will continue to be created by Disney long after the creator is gone, just like Marvel after Stan Lee and Jack Kirby are/were gone.
I guess? It's good brainwashing from Palpatine, I guess I just overestimate Kylo-Ren's intelligence. "My grandfather sacrificed himself to destroy The Emperor, redeem himself, and bring balance to the force... but now he's telling me to do some bad shit, and I'm pissed off at my uncle for trying to kill me in my sleep. Fuck it, I'm going to honor his legacy, my uncle must be full of shit!"
I guess it doesn't help Disney wrote Luke to be a dick in his old age.
The main problem with that line of thinking regarding the sequels is that they are so heavily intertwined in the original trilogy, far more so than the prequels which even with the links to the original still function as a functional trilogy, if a highly bleak one by the end.
The sequels on the contrary constantly bombards the viewer with tidbits that make sense to those who have seen the original trilogy, but probably not to those who begin with movie 7. Things like Han Solo getting the milennium falcon back and talking about Luke. Or perhaps more egregiously with movie 9 and the return of Palpatine.
If course, i could definitely be wrong, but i do feel that Lucas was more conscientous of the possiblity of newcomers to the series starting with episode 1 instead of 4. Whereas the sequels seems to have been made specifically to hook those who watched the original trilogy.
The world revamp dream will never die!
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I know we saw his body getting atomized, but I think Palpatine is still alive. If he could survive the literal explosion of the Death Star 5 seconds after he fell down that shaft, he survived episode IX. Can't wait for his third return in the next trilogy. You know the saying, third time's the charm.
The Void. A force of infinite hunger. Its whispers have broken the will of dragons... and lured even the titans' own children into madness. Sages and scholars fear the Void. But we understand a truth they do not. That the Void is a power to be harnessed... to be bent by a will strong enough to command it. The Void has shaped us... changed us. But you will become its master. Wield the shadows as a weapon to save our world... and defend the Alliance!
This actually makes me want to watch the new film as I really dislike the Original Trilogy and especially the obnoxious veneration it gets, I liked the prequel trilogy, though do not get me wrong, it has actually aged worse than the Original Trilogy due to them using cgi more than practical effects, but I still like them far more.
Sadly, Ian Mcdiarmid may not be around by the time Disney even does a movie with Palpatine again (not that I want to), and unless it'd be Epiesode X or XI, he might not be. It's better just to let the character rest. He wasn't even the character worst-written in Episode IX, but I don't trust them not to ruin him in another installment after a second resurrection if the first one wasn't even explained.
How long do you give fans before they start blaming Kathleen Kennedy for rise of skywalker.
She likes ruining star wars to make fans angry apparently.
Comes a time when we all gotta die...even kings.
It's funny, everyone I know in RL liked the movie. From colleagues to colleagues kids to my sister to my friends, to my nerd friends.
Even Twitter seems to like this movie. The people with the biggest problems with it seem to not care for the nostalgia plays.
But here......man, here the vitriol is real. This movie still somehow has an 86% audience approval rate, 2 days after opening, when the "more casual" fans would go see it. I was told it would drop stupendously by the prognosticators out there.
Ironically, having had the leaks confirmed for me, I know I'm going to be disappointed in this movie and would be part of the 14%. I guess that makes me the contrarian now.
Solo, a drop in merchandising revenue from toys, the lukewarm reception of Galaxy's Edge, plus a wealth of data that I'm sure Disney is privy to but we as the public aren't.
Comics are just a small drop in the bucket.
Also TRoS was made over the last two years, its not like they could predict a Star Wars game would do well (probably hard to even predict if a Star Wars game will go gold considering how many have been cancelled).
The Mandalorian is also hot for the same reason that people like TRoS, it's playing off nostalgia so was probably made with the same marching orders that Abrams got.
I feel like this movie will go down well for most people, I personally didn’t like it because I really wanted them to ride the wave of TLJ with doing something new with the Jedi/sith. But while it’s not my cup of tea I’d say it’s a better movie then TLJ and I expect most passive fans to enjoy it.
Then of course there are people who hate it soloy because either it’s a Disney movie or because of Rey or something else even though they didn’t even try to pay attention to the actual movie. This site has a lot of people like that.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_the_movie
Transformers got 85% audience score, doesn't mean it's any good, only that those who would want to watch that would go n see it n ofc would vote favorably..audience score has to be taken with a grain of salt..
I thought it was going to be a shitshow, 150%. Especially after the mess of TLJ. But outside a couple of cringey moments (see below) it was pretty good. I do think the perspective changes could be pared down in favor of longer scenes though. It was a bit jarring to have two minutes of Finn and Poe, then BAM two minutes of First Order then BAM two minutes of Kylo Ren doing his thing. If they'd compiled things a bit better (though Star Wars is famous for its many screen wipe cuts), I think the film would have better flow.
I very much enjoyed the backstory treatment of Leia's Jedi training and why she stopped. It was logical and believable, though the CGI of roughly ROTJ-era Luke and Leia was a teeny bit uncanny valley.
Legitimate nitpicks:
Palpatine has the power of all the Sith and Rey has the power of all the Jedi? WAT.
That toxic co-dependent kiss between Ben Solo and Rey was completely unnecessary.
Lore nitpicks:
FUCK YOU, CALL IT DROMUND KAAS! Don't rename a thing that's had a name in the EU for years if not decades!
FUCK YOU, CALL IT A HOLOCRON! Wayfinder my ass. Holocrons can do that and they're [I]even canon so what are you doing??[/I]
Cheerful lack of self-preservation
Damn, I really feel you. If they had just done an unoriginal soft reboot of the series without the old characters, leaving the original trilogy untouched, I wouldn't have cared. I probably wouldn't have enjoyed these movies either way but at least it wouldn't have felt like something was taken away. But I guess it was the logical decision from a business point of view though. Catch all the demographics by appealing to young people with a bland recreation of the old stories with updated visuals while at the same time appealing to the older crowds and diehard fans with all the nostalgia bait and old characters.
It's merely another sad outgrowth of our current day culture industry.