Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst
1
2
3
4
LastLast
  1. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by De Lupe View Post
    I genuinely want to see Hamuul go berserk against Sylvanas. I would pay money to see that cinematic.
    But I like Hamuul. You know he hasn’t got the plot armor to come out of that one alive.

  2. #42
    The Lightbringer Dalheim's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    The Nordics
    Posts
    3,226
    Quote Originally Posted by Tromage View Post
    Taurens should for once show why they are part of the Horde and kill some Alliance ass instead of crying for peace all the time.
    They were at the Battle for Lordaeron and wreckt arse.

  3. #43
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by Mehrunes View Post
    As always you're "embellishing" things. Sylvanas said it'd let her kill on a larger scale. Not that she'd kill all races, let alone that this is a dream of hers. You added that one on your own. After you pulled it from the nether. She also said it'd allow her to be a goddess of death and creation, not just death.
    She was no longer a Dark Lady or even a queen. She was a goddess of destruction and creation, and she was stunned that she had never understood how deeply the two were intertwined. Armies, cities, entire cultures – she could raise them.

    yea but the Creation is clearly refered to Creating more undead. I am sorry if i feel like it is pretty common sense To assume that. But you are right. her REAL goal is. Goddess of destruction which then Ressurcting everyone is that Grey enough for you?

  4. #44
    Mechagnome BadguyNotBadGuy's Avatar
    7+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Sep 2016
    Location
    SCOTLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND
    Posts
    589
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrysis View Post
    I think a "ends justifies the means" ending would be counter to the message that they've established with most of the characters. It would be too hard of a pill to swallow. My own preference is that Sylvanas keeps sliding down that slope until the Horde is about to rebel, and then Bolvar swoops out of Northrend and scoops her up for the Scourge. It would be a fitting irony, and it could be used as a launching point for a scarier and more interesting Scourge story. Bolvar seems to be leaning more towards that morally grey anti-hero, whereas Sylvanas just seems to be mustache twirling. Also, it's hard for me to think highly of anyone who looses their temper so easily.
    But that would be so boring. Yet another warchief is the big baddy, yet another main character for the Horde will be killed, with only secondary characters that have not been developed in the game remaining to pick up the pieces. Leaving the Horde essentially a non-factor for the rest of the story that Blizz might have in the future, without some deus exy entry from a character that suddenly got major powers out of nowhere.

    As rehashed as it may sound, I would much rather see another Arthas scenario with a "fall from the Light" type thing, or even a third party like Azshara or someone else coming outa nowhere to fuck with both sides while they are at each others throats.

    Another take on Garrosh would just be so dull without having Baineand Lorthemar (im assuming Saurfang is gonna be out of commission for a while) becoming far more prominent is the story right now... which i really wish they would do tbh, as both those characters are really cool

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by BadguyNotBadGuy View Post
    Can we stop with that whole "service of death"/"making life her enemy" and all that bullshit. Those are just overly dramatic lines spoken by night elves in an already very dramatic situation.
    quote for this

    those lines are write up there with Anduin's bit on Justice (which is made more hilarious when you really look at who he stands there with)

  6. #46
    Historically speaking, these primal forces have always abandoned individuals for their own actions, not for political affiliation.
    When in doubt, simply ask yourself: "What would Garrosh do?"

    #wwgd

  7. #47
    The Lightbringer MrHappy's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    Toronto
    Posts
    3,163
    considering Elune is a titan creation...it won't matter unless Titan's all of a sudden care about Horde's actions.

  8. #48
    Deleted
    If we learned anything from Legion is that superior entities don't care about our conflicts, as long we keep believing on them.

  9. #49
    Banned Haven's Avatar
    15+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, Russia
    Posts
    11,046
    Quote Originally Posted by MrSaggins View Post
    If I'm to take your question as less than facetious, then I expect this might develop as something along the lines of the orc shamen of Draenor losing their connection to the elements, or the Light abandoning a Paladin. As for it's failure to impact the balance of the game, this could be circumvented with a statement about Zen'tabra helping them or simply ignored.
    Elune doesn't do politics. It's just some un-blessed tree that has nothing to do with her. Besides, it's not really Elune/Mu'sha granting druids their power, it's life as a primordial cosmic power. If you know how to wield it, you can do whatever you want with it. Same as Scarlet Crusaders or Lightforged using holy light.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by MrSaggins View Post
    Just looking at the devastation the Horde has wrought upon Elune's most ardent worshippers, it's hard to imagine her not taking sides in the faction war when the Horde is being lead in the service of death. And yet still, the Tauren remain.

    Baine seemed to sneer knowingly as the Horde set out to "Silithus" in A Good War, but he didn't stop Tauren braves, shamen and kodo riders from joining the assault on the Kaldorei either. Will the people of Mulgore still walk in Mu'sha's light? Or have they scorned her and fallen from favor?
    Like many post lore wise it does not make sense for : Paladins, Priests, Shamans, Druids, Dk's, DH to agree with this.
    Also races like Blood elves, tauren, nightborn, high mountain etc should not be happy with this.

    Ingame wise: they can not cut 6 classes from 1 faction so ( and a couple of races)...why the stay: reasons?!?!?!

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by MrHappy View Post
    considering Elune is a titan creation...it won't matter unless Titan's all of a sudden care about Horde's actions.
    Not necessarily true. We learn from Khadgar that there's a myth claiming that Elune created the Naaru, so combining her tears with X'era might wake it up. Since this does in fact happen, it's not unreasonable to assume that the myth is accurate, and I think that Chronicle said the Naaru predate the Titans. Certainly the Light does, so it stands to reason that beings of pure light would too.

    The strongest theory seems to be that Elune is a Light Lord, or perhaps an early Titan of Light, given the Pillars of Creation and Elunaria linking her to the Titans. Or maybe she's just a goddess standing above all these forces, and the Night Elves have been right all this time.

  12. #52
    The Lightbringer Huntaer's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Sanctuary
    Posts
    3,618
    The whole plan of this assault on teldrassil was to conquer all of kalimdor so the horde would have a secure future. The banshee queen however couldn't resist being evil and burned it down. Most of them didn't agree, but went with it anyway or they'd risk getting killed.
    ___________( •̪●) --(FOR THE ALLIANCE!)
    ░░░░░░███████ ]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▃
    ▂▄▅█████████▅▄▃▂
    I███████████████████].
    ◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙◤...

  13. #53
    Moderator Aucald's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Epic Premium
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Philadelphia, PA-US
    Posts
    45,579
    The greater forces of the Warcraft universe, like most deities or demigods, take a very long view of things that the mortal races don't (or can't). This war between the Alliance and the Horde is a blip on the vast timelines that a being like Mu'sha/Elune has existed - wars will come and go, cruelties both big and small will occur, mistakes of varying proportion will be made, and so on. The connection between these beings and their adherents is also an intensely personal one, so if a given individual goes to war with a firm belief in the rightness of their cause and acquits themselves as justly or nobly as they can (without unnecessary violence or knowing cruelty in their hearts) then it is likely that Mu'sha/Elune will continue to countenance them with her blessing.

    To put it succinctly, such a being is beyond really caring who is right or is wrong in a mortal struggle between nations - it has much more massive concerns on its mind.
    "We're more of the love, blood, and rhetoric school. Well, we can do you blood and love without the rhetoric, and we can do you blood and rhetoric without the love, and we can do you all three concurrent or consecutive. But we can't give you love and rhetoric without the blood. Blood is compulsory. They're all blood, you see." ― Tom Stoppard, Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

  14. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by ccombustable View Post
    The Tauren Have the greatest loyalty to the Horde 2nd only to the Darkspear (and the Orcs...but they kinda are the Horde imo, or the foundation for it). The Forsaken and the Blood Elves might have an easier time changing alliances, but not the Tauren. If I remember right, they were facing near extinction until Thrall showed up in WC 3.
    the blood elves will never switch to alliance
    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    In other countries like Canada the population has chosen to believe in hope, peace and tolerance. This we can see from the election of the Honourable Justin Trudeau who stood against the politics of hate and divisiveness.

  15. #55
    Bloodsail Admiral MrSaggins's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    1,200
    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Elune doesn't do politics. It's just some un-blessed tree that has nothing to do with her. Besides, it's not really Elune/Mu'sha granting druids their power, it's life as a primordial cosmic power. If you know how to wield it, you can do whatever you want with it. Same as Scarlet Crusaders or Lightforged using holy light.
    I was thinking of Moonkin and the Arcane, and any other Tauren druid-agnostic practices similar to the Kaldorei as well. It is a part of their religion, and burning temples may have consequences. As for politics, well, things are a bit beyond that, and her son had no problem intervening to defend the Kaldorei from the Horde in the Third War.

    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    Like many post lore wise it does not make sense for : Paladins, Priests, Shamans, Druids, Dk's, DH to agree with this.
    Also races like Blood elves, tauren, nightborn, high mountain etc should not be happy with this.

    Ingame wise: they can not cut 6 classes from 1 faction so ( and a couple of races)...why the stay: reasons?!?!?!
    Right, but I'm less asking if the former class order folks agree with this, and more asking whether the sources of their power do. The elements no longer heed Thrall.

    Quote Originally Posted by braxkedren View Post
    Best thing to look at is the BtS novel. It describes how even the Priest Order Hall was active with both factions, working peacefully together to serve the Light.

    The actions of a faction leader isn't going to change protection of a deity figure
    If we think of the elemental spirits of Draenor as deity figures, they abandoned the pre-First War Horde for slaughtering Draenei.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    "There is another person on the other end of the chat screen. They're our friends; they're our brothers and sisters; they're our sons and daughters. Let's take a stand to reject hate and harassment, and let's redouble our efforts to be kind and respectful to one another, and let's remind the world what the gaming community is really all about."

    Mike Morhaime CEO of Blizzard Entertainment, Blizzcon 2014 (view)

  16. #56
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    And why would he? If he had refused, he'd be branded a traitor and the tauren probably would've been thrown out of the Horde. He was fully aware of the plan, and was clearly not against it. He didn't know about Teldrassil getting burned down however.
    And he'd have no problem finding a place in the Alliance, because he was friends with Anduin. Sylvanas even remarks that she wishes Baine "would just follow his bleeding heart and join the Alliance".

  17. #57
    Reforged Gone Wrong The Stormbringer's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Premium
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    ...location, location!
    Posts
    15,354
    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    And why would he? If he had refused, he'd be branded a traitor and the tauren probably would've been thrown out of the Horde. He was fully aware of the plan, and was clearly not against it. He didn't know about Teldrassil getting burned down however.
    Do the Tauren even need the Horde at this point? They've got Mul'gore, a verdant fertile valley with plenty of resources. Plant some more trees (with druid help), set up some more farms, construct a few mines (with shaman aid), and they'll be self-sufficient. Heck, they may not have mages, but they've got Priests, Paladins, and Monks to keep everyone healthy and happy, if Shamans and Druids weren't enough. They've even got Death Knights who could help identify and counter dark magic and the like.

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    Hunters are necromancers aswell then?

    They keep reviving dead pets to do their bidding aswell
    WARNING. High level of imbecility detected.

    If you revive a being and it has a heartbeat afterwards, it breathes and eats, it's called resurrection and is not considered necromancy.

    Infracted.
    Last edited by Aucald; 2018-08-10 at 03:52 PM. Reason: Received Infraction

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Do the Tauren even need the Horde at this point? They've got Mul'gore, a verdant fertile valley with plenty of resources. Plant some more trees (with druid help), set up some more farms, construct a few mines (with shaman aid), and they'll be self-sufficient. Heck, they may not have mages, but they've got Priests, Paladins, and Monks to keep everyone healthy and happy, if Shamans and Druids weren't enough. They've even got Death Knights who could help identify and counter dark magic and the like.
    That is assuming Sylvanas would allow them to leave in any capacity. She killed her own people just on the off-chance that they might want to leave the Horde, what makes you think she would allow someone with Alliance ties and a huge city in the middle of Kalimdor to just leave?

  20. #60
    Reforged Gone Wrong The Stormbringer's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Premium
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    ...location, location!
    Posts
    15,354
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    That is assuming Sylvanas would allow them to leave in any capacity. She killed her own people just on the off-chance that they might want to leave the Horde, what makes you think she would allow someone with Alliance ties and a huge city in the middle of Kalimdor to just leave?
    I mean, she wouldn't, but do you think the rest of the Horde (other than the Forsaken) would attempt to stop them with force? The Orcs might challenge them to some duels and try to convince them that their bond was important, the trolls might reminisce and try to win them over, and the Goblins would just ask what the profit in it would be.

    If it came down to the Forsaken on their lonesome attacking the Tauren to try to force them to stay, I don't think the rest of the Horde would stand by and let that happen. The Tauren are one of the 'three Founders' after all.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •