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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by ccombustable View Post
    The Tauren Have the greatest loyalty to the Horde 2nd only to the Darkspear (and the Orcs...but they kinda are the Horde imo, or the foundation for it). The Forsaken and the Blood Elves might have an easier time changing alliances, but not the Tauren. If I remember right, they were facing near extinction until Thrall showed up in WC 3.
    the blood elves will never switch to alliance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haven View Post
    Elune doesn't do politics. It's just some un-blessed tree that has nothing to do with her. Besides, it's not really Elune/Mu'sha granting druids their power, it's life as a primordial cosmic power. If you know how to wield it, you can do whatever you want with it. Same as Scarlet Crusaders or Lightforged using holy light.
    I was thinking of Moonkin and the Arcane, and any other Tauren druid-agnostic practices similar to the Kaldorei as well. It is a part of their religion, and burning temples may have consequences. As for politics, well, things are a bit beyond that, and her son had no problem intervening to defend the Kaldorei from the Horde in the Third War.

    Quote Originally Posted by baskev View Post
    Like many post lore wise it does not make sense for : Paladins, Priests, Shamans, Druids, Dk's, DH to agree with this.
    Also races like Blood elves, tauren, nightborn, high mountain etc should not be happy with this.

    Ingame wise: they can not cut 6 classes from 1 faction so ( and a couple of races)...why the stay: reasons?!?!?!
    Right, but I'm less asking if the former class order folks agree with this, and more asking whether the sources of their power do. The elements no longer heed Thrall.

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    Best thing to look at is the BtS novel. It describes how even the Priest Order Hall was active with both factions, working peacefully together to serve the Light.

    The actions of a faction leader isn't going to change protection of a deity figure
    If we think of the elemental spirits of Draenor as deity figures, they abandoned the pre-First War Horde for slaughtering Draenei.
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  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    And why would he? If he had refused, he'd be branded a traitor and the tauren probably would've been thrown out of the Horde. He was fully aware of the plan, and was clearly not against it. He didn't know about Teldrassil getting burned down however.
    And he'd have no problem finding a place in the Alliance, because he was friends with Anduin. Sylvanas even remarks that she wishes Baine "would just follow his bleeding heart and join the Alliance".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The World View Post
    And why would he? If he had refused, he'd be branded a traitor and the tauren probably would've been thrown out of the Horde. He was fully aware of the plan, and was clearly not against it. He didn't know about Teldrassil getting burned down however.
    Do the Tauren even need the Horde at this point? They've got Mul'gore, a verdant fertile valley with plenty of resources. Plant some more trees (with druid help), set up some more farms, construct a few mines (with shaman aid), and they'll be self-sufficient. Heck, they may not have mages, but they've got Priests, Paladins, and Monks to keep everyone healthy and happy, if Shamans and Druids weren't enough. They've even got Death Knights who could help identify and counter dark magic and the like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    Hunters are necromancers aswell then?

    They keep reviving dead pets to do their bidding aswell
    WARNING. High level of imbecility detected.

    If you revive a being and it has a heartbeat afterwards, it breathes and eats, it's called resurrection and is not considered necromancy.

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  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    Do the Tauren even need the Horde at this point? They've got Mul'gore, a verdant fertile valley with plenty of resources. Plant some more trees (with druid help), set up some more farms, construct a few mines (with shaman aid), and they'll be self-sufficient. Heck, they may not have mages, but they've got Priests, Paladins, and Monks to keep everyone healthy and happy, if Shamans and Druids weren't enough. They've even got Death Knights who could help identify and counter dark magic and the like.
    That is assuming Sylvanas would allow them to leave in any capacity. She killed her own people just on the off-chance that they might want to leave the Horde, what makes you think she would allow someone with Alliance ties and a huge city in the middle of Kalimdor to just leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    That is assuming Sylvanas would allow them to leave in any capacity. She killed her own people just on the off-chance that they might want to leave the Horde, what makes you think she would allow someone with Alliance ties and a huge city in the middle of Kalimdor to just leave?
    I mean, she wouldn't, but do you think the rest of the Horde (other than the Forsaken) would attempt to stop them with force? The Orcs might challenge them to some duels and try to convince them that their bond was important, the trolls might reminisce and try to win them over, and the Goblins would just ask what the profit in it would be.

    If it came down to the Forsaken on their lonesome attacking the Tauren to try to force them to stay, I don't think the rest of the Horde would stand by and let that happen. The Tauren are one of the 'three Founders' after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSaggins View Post
    Right, but I'm less asking if the former class order folks agree with this, and more asking whether the sources of their power do. The elements no longer heed Thrall.
    If we think of the elemental spirits of Draenor as deity figures, they abandoned the pre-First War Horde for slaughtering Draenei.
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  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by The Stormbringer View Post
    I mean, she wouldn't, but do you think the rest of the Horde (other than the Forsaken) would attempt to stop them with force? The Orcs might challenge them to some duels and try to convince them that their bond was important, the trolls might reminisce and try to win them over, and the Goblins would just ask what the profit in it would be.

    If it came down to the Forsaken on their lonesome attacking the Tauren to try to force them to stay, I don't think the rest of the Horde would stand by and let that happen. The Tauren are one of the 'three Founders' after all.
    I wouldn't have thought that the rest of the Horde would be fine subjecting civilians to one of the most horrific deaths possible, i.e. burning them alive.
    I wouldn't have thought that the rest of the Horde would be fine using the plague on their own soldiers (or using it at all) and to then ressurect the bodies.
    Why would this case be any different? Why would an orc hesitate killing 'traitors', but at the same time be fine with their brothers being killed by their warchief and their bodies desecrated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    That is assuming Sylvanas would allow them to leave in any capacity. She killed her own people just on the off-chance that they might want to leave the Horde, what makes you think she would allow someone with Alliance ties and a huge city in the middle of Kalimdor to just leave?
    The tauren could just straight up ditch Thunder Bluff.

    I mean, they’d lose some lovely scenery and the world’s coolest totem pole, but it’s not like the tauren have war machines or castles. They’re nomadic. They live in tents in every continent of Azeroth. It’d be really easy to pack up, find someplace nice, and wait for the whole war to just blow over.

    My personal pick would be Pandaria.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Shibito View Post
    the blood elves will never switch to alliance
    I would say the same for the Forsaken (especially now, obv). But the origin of their loyalty to the Horde is the weakest imo. Where the Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren would die to save or maintain the Horde, the Blood Elves and Forsaken would have had an easier time deciding to go their own way.

    Of course, now we have a World War, and there are no neutral parties anymore.

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by MrSaggins View Post
    Right, but I'm less asking if the former class order folks agree with this, and more asking whether the sources of their power do. The elements no longer heed Thrall.
    I know. Just adding to your list. Like tauren most species and classes have a certain code/history in the WoW world space. And in lore tauren indeed ( like you said) should not follow the Horde because of this.

    And my class bit was more like you said: Elune would not support this. And i think more class orders would not.

    DK's are against forced ressing etc, sylvannas actions hurt the planet big time and nature to..so druids and shamans should not be happy etc.

    And for their sources of power. The ones that have. ( ingame wise it will not change). But lore wise yeah, the elements, the druids base leaders like cenarion etc would be against all of this nature and planet destroying BS.

    The light...yeah...do not think it supports death and deaht bringers.

    Elune indeed would not support this.

    Hell i think Odin would not agree with this.
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  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by hulkgor View Post
    Hunters are necromancers aswell then?

    They keep reviving dead pets to do their bidding aswell
    Willfully being ignorant here? You are conflating game mechanics with lore.

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    It's not like Elune was around to bail them out of trouble. If she all day sudden "abandoned" them it would just be business as usual.

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    Here's to hope Elune can see through that and isn't that quick to make judgements.

    As much as I hate it, Baine is bound to serve the Warchief unquestioningly through the oath he pledged while joining the Horde. If he breaks it, he will be named a traitor and killed. What good the tauren can offer to Elune when they are dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SleepsAtDay View Post
    The tauren could just straight up ditch Thunder Bluff.

    I mean, they’d lose some lovely scenery and the world’s coolest totem pole
    ... and their ancestral grounds. Maybe they aren't as much spiritual as orcs or trolls, but they still are. I doubt leaving behind their ancestors would be easy for them.

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