We lost our value as DPS in M+ ?

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With Shockwave gone on DPS warriors I feel like we bring nothing to the group in Mythic + !?
Did I miss something?
Feels like every other melee class would bring more utility.

[Dawon]

We bring smile on peoples faces when they see our dps.... like "Aww, lol, look at him go! ", so we bring something!

[Deleted]

We bring smile on peoples faces when they see our dps.... like "Aww, lol, look at him go! ", so we bring something!

Haha!
So you are saying that we are out dps'd to? Perfect!

[Kaver]

We bring smile on peoples faces when they see our dps.... like "Aww, lol, look at him go! ", so we bring something!

Exactly. Seeing a Fury using his spammable AoE like a crazy person should be enough incentive to bring him.

[Keren]

aoe fear, aoe slow, group HP buff, battle shout, single target stun,

[Deleted]

aoe fear, aoe slow, group HP buff, battle shout, single target stun,

aoe slow only for fury

aoe fear is not worth mentioning

[Deleted]

aoe slow only for fury

aoe fear is not worth mentioning

Why is it not worth mentioning? When it can be used as an AoE Interrupt, which is very powerful (imps in CoS for example).

[pay928]

Why is it not worth mentioning? When it can be used as an AoE Interrupt, which is very powerful (imps in CoS for example).

Doesn't it still make enemies run around unpredictably? IE into a new group you don't want to pull.

[Nasuuna]

Doesn't it still make enemies run around unpredictably? IE into a new group you don't want to pull.

in aoe situations it instantly breaks, just acts as an interupt

[Protean]

Doesn't it still make enemies run around unpredictably? IE into a new group you don't want to pull.

It's better to have the option, than to not have it. There will be times where there's no risk of pulls, either by breaking with damage or lack of nearby mobs.


What that guy said about how it isn't worth mentioning is beyond stupid. Good players will make the most of the tools they get. Bad players will decide skills are just bad and keybind them to alt+F4.

[Deleted]

Rallying Cry, Battle Shout and Intimidating Shout are still very good utility for m+

Arms is also shaping up to be AoE/cleave beast and that is allways good for trash in m+

[Hoeth]

To be honest warriors haven't lost any value, because it was never that high to begin with. We still aren't likely to be any worse than DKs, rets, WW, or shaman. But unless either spec is tuned very high on damage all melee will be in a very distant second place to rogues unless the unavoidable one-shot mechanics so common in Legion are minimized. Rogue defensive ability is LIGHT YEARS ahead of every other melee, and that will probably be the deciding factor of what melee is desirable for high keys.

[Deleted]

To be honest warriors haven't lost any value, because it was never that high to begin with. We still aren't likely to be any worse than DKs, rets, WW, or shaman. But unless either spec is tuned very high on damage all melee will be in a very distant second place to rogues unless the unavoidable one-shot mechanics so common in Legion are minimized. Rogue defensive ability is LIGHT YEARS ahead of every other melee, and that will probably be the deciding factor of what melee is desirable for high keys.

Good point. My plan was to level my Rogue first on launch and my warrior right after. Then I have the OP class and the fun class to

[Grusalugg]

We probably won't be represented enough above m20 (or whatever counterpart of m20 in legion) we still don't have immunities to 1 shot mechanics at that level.

We have dmg but we bring low tier utilities for high end.

[Jastall]

We didn't lose that much. Warrior didn't have the utility/defensives to be competitive in super high keys, and we still don't have it. The AoE stun is a loss but not a big one, you being able to stun a pack for 1-2 seconds can be useful but stuns in M+ are mostly crucial to stop an uninterruptible cast and Storm Bolt does that in most situations, and it is ranged which is an advantage.

Meanwhile, our lack of defensives or special tools such as Grip means we will forever be behind classes like DHs and Rogues in M+ because defensives are king in high keys and ours are mediocre at best, especially compared to Rogues who are still so much more defensible than other melees that there's no point in comparing really.

[Enkrypt]

I'm pretty sure above +20 any melee other than Warriors was desirable.

Pretty certain we didn't have much value. And this comes from a Fury Warrior who consistently ran 20+ keys. It was a struggle just to get invited because of our durability.

But the AoE was siiiiick.

[AwkwardSquirtle]

I'm pretty sure above +20 any melee other than Warriors was desirable.

Pretty certain we didn't have much value. And this comes from a Fury Warrior who consistently ran 20+ keys. It was a struggle just to get invited because of our durability.

But the AoE was siiiiick.

Well the durability issue at least has been fixed somewhat. Damage taken during Enrage is gone.