1. #5561
    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    If this was the first time, it would be one thing. But how can they keep missing these opportunities to show night elves when discussing events that touch THE SAME NIGHT ELVES the most is just beyond me. I know they aren't doing it intentionally, but man, after so many of such missed opportunities, maybe indeed it is time to start calling it horrible writing skills.
    I personally think Tyrande as night warrior does not fit in a scene where horde and alliance work together. If they would add Tyrande here, it would lessen the night warrior and her story focus... revenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Ill be bummed if Azshara dies. Im pretty excited about Dragon Isles if its real this expac though.
    Idk, I never understood the hype people had over Azshara, but I don't know much of her story etiher. Just some people about her as if she's the 2nd KJ or someone uber powerful but nothing in-game ever made me think that. I'm probably just ignorant of all she's done??

  3. #5563
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    I personally think Tyrande as night warrior does not fit in a scene where horde and alliance work together. If they would add Tyrande here, it would lessen the night warrior and her story focus... revenge.
    Well, maybe then there should be a different scene instead of the existing scene or in addition to it? No? Or maybe there should be a transfer from one scene to the other (Tyrande does / tries to do her revenge, then some effect, then Alliance / Horde do something)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alga View Post
    Currently in the Baine Scenario they mentioned Derek, like he is still doing fine and is free. so seems like the dark twists planned by Sylvanas failed. Could still change or be Part of 8.2.5, but I hope the quest texts from the War campaign will show us more.
    I hope the dark twists failed. I want Calia and Derek to bring a new Undead type into Alliance

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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    Well, maybe then there should be a different scene instead of the existing scene or in addition to it? No? Or maybe there should be a transfer from one scene to the other (Tyrande does / tries to do her revenge, then some effect, then Alliance / Horde do something)?
    Possibly, but Blizzard's M.O. has always been "yeah let's just not talk about it" when they don't want to deal with all the repercussions that they include in their previous stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daikoku View Post
    Vulpera Tinkers ROFL


    Be real plz
    Yes, let's "be real" in regards to a PG12 title featuring everything from unicorns to dwarf people taking face hits from dragons.

    If Tinkers are a thing in the future, Blizzard can decide whatever they want as to which races can be the class or not. The Vulpera are extremely intelligent, being able to learn new things shouldn't exactly come as a surprise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Idk, I never understood the hype people had over Azshara, but I don't know much of her story etiher. Just some people about her as if she's the 2nd KJ or someone uber powerful but nothing in-game ever made me think that. I'm probably just ignorant of all she's done??
    She's the top woman of the Night Elf Highborne, she went along with Xavius's surprise of about Sargeras and his demons. She went along with the "perfecting the world." She working with the Legion is a direct result of the Sundering and she didn't care about her own people(Minus her highborne but only as a kingdom). She by all accounts was the Queen of Night Elves.

    She's a big presence in Warcraft

    I personally think Tyrande as night warrior does not fit in a scene where horde and alliance work together. If they would add Tyrande here, it would lessen the night warrior and her story focus... revenge.
    Which more or less shows my point. If BFA was more Old God related from the start instead of "RAWR DIE BLUES, DIE SAVAGE REDS." Nelves would of been at the forefront. I'd also be worried Blizzard might make Tyrande go nuts for parity in this faction war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    Idk, I never understood the hype people had over Azshara, but I don't know much of her story etiher. Just some people about her as if she's the 2nd KJ or someone uber powerful but nothing in-game ever made me think that. I'm probably just ignorant of all she's done??
    Her in game representation over the last years was awful. You have to read the War of the Ancients trilogy to understand who Azshara really is. Her build up in BfA isn't great either as it doesn't explain her character or powers at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    She's the top woman of the Night Elf Highborne, she went along with Xavius's surprise of about Sargeras and his demons. She went along with the "perfecting the world." She working with the Legion is a direct result of the Sundering and she didn't care about her own people(Minus her highborne but only as a kingdom). She by all accounts was the Queen of Night Elves.

    She's a big presence in Warcraft
    I guess this is why I didn't think she was as big a deal as people were saying. A lot of her big moments happened before WoW and in WoW she wasn't a big presence until now. Thanks for the explanation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Her in game representation over the last years was awful. You have to read the War of the Ancients trilogy to understand who Azshara really is. Her build up in BfA isn't great either as it doesn't explain her character or powers at all.
    Yeah, definitely looks like it. Thanks for pointing to me where to get that info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlubberPuddy View Post
    I guess this is why I didn't think she was as big a deal as people were saying. A lot of her big moments happened before WoW and in WoW she wasn't a big presence until now. Thanks for the explanation!
    The same kinda counts though for the Lich King, Deathwing, the Draenor Warlords...

  10. #5570
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    The same kinda counts though for the Lich King, Deathwing, the Draenor Warlords...
    I think Deathwing's representation was well done during Cataclysm, especially him roaming the continents etc. The last real big massive villain we had imho. And Arthas was quite present throughout WotLK. And with the Scourge being around since Vanilla he was always somehow present in game. Naga were around since Vanilla too but Azshara never was featured or anything like that. She needed a real build up but Blizzard's writing failed in this regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Yes, let's "be real" in regards to a PG12 title featuring everything from unicorns to dwarf people taking face hits from dragons.

    If Tinkers are a thing in the future, Blizzard can decide whatever they want as to which races can be the class or not. The Vulpera are extremely intelligent, being able to learn new things shouldn't exactly come as a surprise.
    They are furry Nomads that live in a dessert, their culture doesn't exactly support tinkering and engineering.

    I mean really:
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    The peak of Vulpera technology is the wheel. Not what I would call tinker material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    They are furry Nomads that live in a dessert, their culture doesn't exactly support tinkering and engineering.

    I mean really:
    Just because their culture didn't have it until they met the Horde, doesn't mean they can't be changed. The Horde was changed quite a lot by the inclusion of Goblins, for example.

    Even the real world sees cultures change. Engineering already doesn't even have a race requirement on it, so not sure why you people's imagination can't stretch beyond what the Vulpera were before meeting the Horde, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Just because their culture didn't have it until they met the Horde, doesn't mean they can't be changed. The Horde was changed quite a lot by the inclusion of Goblins, for example.

    Even the real world sees cultures change. Engineering already doesn't even have a race requirement on it, so not sure why you people's imagination can't stretch beyond what the Vulpera were before meeting the Horde, really.
    At that point you might as well let every race be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    At that point you might as well let every race be one.
    Yeah I don't see why not? Every race can have Engineering already.
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  15. #5575
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    They are furry Nomads that live in a dessert, their culture doesn't exactly support tinkering and engineering.

    I mean really:
    I would argue that their culture supports EXACTLY tinkering. Their resources (as of now, living alone in the desert without allies) do NOT support it. Their whole survival has depended on improvising with what resources they got (low tech tinkering.) I honestly fail to find a more fitting race other than Gnomes, Goblins and Draenei because of their obvious technological superiority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Yeah I don't see why not? Every race can have Engineering already.
    My point was more that it's a bit silly to use "they could learn to be tinkers" as a reason for why they should be one of the races that are tinkers in a hypothetical situation where tinkers are race-limited. Vulpera as currently depcited are decidedly non-tinker. They completely lack that sort of mechanical device/machines/robots side, and are simple traveling merchants and scavengers. It's like saying the Alliance tinker races should be Gnomes and Night Elves. They're one of least cohesive races for it, and there's no real reason to go that direction when you can just do the readily apparent ones (Gnome, Goblin, Dwarf, Draenei/LF, Blood Elf/NB, Undead, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zlygork View Post
    I would argue that their culture supports EXACTLY tinkering. Their resources (as of now, living alone in the desert without allies) do NOT support it. Their whole survival has depended on improvising with what resources they got (low tech tinkering.) I honestly fail to find a more fitting race other than Gnomes, Goblins and Draenei because of their obvious technological superiority.
    My thoughts exactly.
    Mankind didn't exactly start out with smartphones and helicopters, we innovated as we came across materials and people with ideas were born. Vulpera are highly intelligent, the only thing having held them back is their environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    My point was more that it's a bit silly to use "they could learn to be tinkers" as a reason for why they should be one of the races that are tinkers in a hypothetical situation where tinkers are race-limited. Vulpera as currently depcited are decidedly non-tinker. They completely lack that sort of mechanical device/machines/robots side, and are simple traveling merchants and scavengers. It's like saying the Alliance tinker races should be Gnomes and Night Elves. They're one of least cohesive races for it, and there's no real reason to go that direction when you can just do the readily apparent ones (Gnome, Goblin, Dwarf, Draenei/LF, Blood Elf/NB, Undead, etc.)
    It's not silly in the slightest.
    They're depicted as highly intelligent opportunists having learnt to live in a very harsh environment. Nothing about their lore says they'd be too dumb or primitive to learn new things, such as tinkering, or in the case of becoming playable in the first place, various classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zlygork View Post
    I would argue that their culture supports EXACTLY tinkering. Their resources (as of now, living alone in the desert without allies) do NOT support it. Their whole survival has depended on improvising with what resources they got (low tech tinkering.) I honestly fail to find a more fitting race other than Gnomes, Goblins and Draenei because of their obvious technological superiority.
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    My thoughts exactly.
    Mankind didn't exactly start out with smartphones and helicopters, we innovated as we came across materials and people with ideas were born. Vulpera are highly intelligent, the only thing having held them back is their environment.

    It's not silly in the slightest.
    They're depicted as highly intelligent opportunists having learnt to live in a very harsh environment. Nothing about their lore says they'd be too dumb or primitive to learn new things, such as tinkering, or in the case of becoming playable in the first place, various classes.

    Finding trinkets in ruins and selling them/shiny things to put on your wagon is not, in any way, even remotely equivalent to running around in a mech suit firing rocket barrages and deploying flame turrets and battle bots. It's not about being too dumb or lacking resources, it's about that entire thematic having ZERO relation to their culture, lifestyle and approach to things.

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    If Tinkers become a class, the vision I'd go for is Gnomes and Goblins. I know that's very restrictive but it's how I've seen it since Tinkers were even a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Finding trinkets in ruins and selling them/shiny things to put on your wagon is not, in any way, even remotely equivalent to running around in a mech suit firing rocket barrages and deploying flame turrets and battle bots. It's not about being too dumb or lacking resources, it's about that entire thematic having ZERO relation to their culture, lifestyle and approach to things.
    They have world quests where they send you to test different pieces of goblin engineering to learn to use them. I do get your point that it is definetly a bit too short of a time frame for them to go around controlling robots, but I still wouldn't say that it would be an equivalent to night elves, because the interest is there.
    And if tinkering happened to not be a hero class, then there is no point in us discussing any of this as I'd expect the monk treatment.

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