1. #6561
    Quote Originally Posted by scarecrowz View Post
    I mean if you're going to make that claim. You're going to need to cite what spec you are playing.

    Some of us are well aware that SOME improved in BfA - that is because they were re-designed from the ground up to no longer be reliant on their Artifact/Legendaries.

    However - you're just being disingenuous if you try to claim these specs are better than their MoP/WoD counterpart. Too much has been taken away.

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    As I have said before.

    If the 9.0 expansion announcement doesn't have at least some of these phrases plastered all over it then its kinda dead on arrival. If they try ANOTHER gimmicky rental system people are just gonna lose it.

    "NEW ABILITIES, NEW TALENT ROW. COMPLETELY RE-DESIGNED CLASS SYSTEMS. RETURN OF RPG ELEMENTS"
    The fact we haven't had a new talent row since WoD is a joke to be honest. 5 years ago I might add.

    The whole new system is a joke in terms of talents. It's not fun gaining 1 talent every 15 levels as it is gaining a point to spend. Just waters down the RPG aspect.

    But on topic. Nothing I've seen so far of 8.2 is going to bring me back and Nazjatar which was their biggest selling point is nothing more than a dark, gloomy disappointment for a zone that is in an "advanced" state. As for 8.3 I doubt that will have anything to bring me back to WoW either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    If you want a accrete Numbers ya you count questing sets because bfa has given us more then we had in the past with the horde/allaince split. Then if you take into account the low end PvP sets bfa still doubles the number for launch and 8.1 before going back to normal for 8.2.

    There is no objective measure where bfa is behind in terms of armour art.
    It is if the haters say so!

    But yes, love it or hate it, BfA has a metric fuckton of armor art. I've found my favourite set already in the tier 3 Darkshore mail set. Love the details and chain mail skirt! Already know that I'll be coming back in 9.0 to get the Mythic plate from Dazar'alor.

    The tier 3 Horde/Alliance plate (especially Alliance) from Arathi are also absolutely gorgeous, but I'm low-key hoping those will eventually be added to the vendors as Warfronts grow less relevant and get less queues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    It is if the haters say so!

    But yes, love it or hate it, BfA has a metric fuckton of armor art. I've found my favourite set already in the tier 3 Darkshore mail set. Love the details and chain mail skirt! Already know that I'll be coming back in 9.0 to get the Mythic plate from Dazar'alor.

    The tier 3 Horde/Alliance plate (especially Alliance) from Arathi are also absolutely gorgeous, but I'm low-key hoping those will eventually be added to the vendors as Warfronts grow less relevant and get less queues.

    As far as plate goes I’m Proabbly gonna get every set at some point they all look really good. Though I’d proabbly skip the horde arathi one if I was horde as I’m not a fan of the orc spike look. Mail only has a few sets I dislike but I’ll still Proabbly get almost all of them at one point or another.

    Compared to legion bfa has been a big set up for sets I like with legion only having about 6 across every armour type.

  4. #6564
    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    The fact we haven't had a new talent row since WoD is a joke to be honest. 5 years ago I might add.

    The whole new system is a joke in terms of talents. It's not fun gaining 1 talent every 15 levels as it is gaining a point to spend. Just waters down the RPG aspect.

    But on topic. Nothing I've seen so far of 8.2 is going to bring me back and Nazjatar which was their biggest selling point is nothing more than a dark, gloomy disappointment for a zone that is in an "advanced" state. As for 8.3 I doubt that will have anything to bring me back to WoW either.
    Ok, so if you have no interest in WoW anymore why are you even here? Just fuck off already.
    Yohohoho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyomesh2 View Post
    Ok, so if you have no interest in WoW anymore why are you even here? Just fuck off already.
    Because we want the best for the game you pog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Because we want the best for the game you pog.
    Very helpful. You lads must be gold when cheering at sport events.

  7. #6567
    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Because we want the best for the game you pog.
    Exactly lol.

    Criticism helps a product grow. People are critical right now because they want WoW to be what it should be. Which is a top notch product.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Exactly lol.

    Criticism helps a product grow. People are critical right now because they want WoW to be what it should be. Which is a top notch product.
    Criticism helped Sonic's case, for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Because we want the best for the game you pog.
    The best for the game = being a passive aggresive tool on a fan forum? I mean, i guess..
    There are people on here discussing the current sorry state of WoW and how to improve it in a far better manner than what hè is doing. Dropping in every once in a while to state how much you detest WoW helps exactly no-one.
    Yohohoho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alga View Post
    Very helpful. You lads must be gold when cheering at sport events.
    1. It's true though. We want what's best for the game.

    And 2. I took the pog thing from a reddit post I saw earlier this week.

  11. #6571
    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Criticism helped Sonic's case, for example.
    Exactly. And Capcoms as another example after SF5.

    Criticism is needed in the world. Otherwise we just end up with products like Fallout 76, Anthem or Metal Gear Survive.

    BFA right now is a low point for the game. And unless Blizzard start to listen to the feedback during Alpha/Beta rather than after launch it's not going to help them down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyomesh2 View Post
    The best for the game = being a passive aggresive tool on a fan forum? I mean, i guess..
    There are people on here discussing the current sorry state of WoW and how to improve it in a far better manner than what hè is doing. Dropping in every once in a while to state how much you detest WoW helps exactly no-one.
    I could provide constructive criticism on the official WoW Forums, but here's the issue. You have to be subbed to the game in order to even type on there. I know this because I quite, still had my Battle Net account and tried to type on there. It's actually stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    I could provide constructive criticism on the official WoW Forums, but here's the issue. You have to be subbed to the game in order to even type on there. I know this because I quite, still had my Battle Net account and tried to type on there. It's actually stupid.
    I get why that's a thing I guess but yeah.

    I'm not subbed right now either but I wish we could post feedback there at least.

    Blizzard seriously just need to stop disregarding it during a testing period as I said and actually use test/pre release servers for their intended purpose rather than PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    I could provide constructive criticism on the official WoW Forums, but here's the issue. You have to be subbed to the game in order to even type on there. I know this because I quite, still had my Battle Net account and tried to type on there. It's actually stupid.
    This is all provided you aren't lying and stirring the pot. Besides Wow forums aint the only place for Wow discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Exactly. And Capcoms as another example after SF5.

    Criticism is needed in the world. Otherwise we just end up with products like Fallout 76, Anthem or Metal Gear Survive.

    BFA right now is a low point for the game. And unless Blizzard start to listen to the feedback during Alpha/Beta rather than after launch it's not going to help them down the road.
    What sucks is that the expansion before it, Legion, was actually really fucking good of an expansion (Though, I'm not denying that it did have its fair share of flaws). So, I know Blizzard can still create wonders, even if for a pretty short while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    This is all provided you aren't lying and stirring the pot. Besides Wow forums aint the only place for Wow discussion.
    I'm not. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...-guard/joshuaj

    This is my character. Didn't even hit 120 before getting bored.

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    Though, I did hit 120 on Beta. So, there's that.

  16. #6576
    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    What sucks is that the expansion before it, Legion, was actually really fucking good of an expansion (Though, I'm not denying that it did have its fair share of flaws). So, I know Blizzard can still create wonders, even if for a pretty short while.

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    I'm not. https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ch...-guard/joshuaj

    This is my character. Didn't even hit 120 before getting bored.
    Legion was bloody amazing. Just take out those stupid Legendaries and make a questline item like WoD and MoP and I'd say it's the best expansion ever.

    BFA though is a shadow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Criticism helps a product grow.
    True. So criticise, don't just complain. You two are just wasting everybody's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Legion was bloody amazing. Just take out those stupid Legendaries and make a questline item like WoD and MoP and I'd say it's the best expansion ever.

    BFA though is a shadow.
    My favorite part of Legion was mostly Antorus, and seeing Sargeras for the first time. That was the nuttiest thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    True. So criticise, don't just complain. You two are just wasting everybody's time.
    Here's the thing: You can complain while criticizing. However, it's only bad when the criticism becomes childish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    My favorite part of Legion was mostly Antorus, and seeing Sargeras for the first time. That was the nuttiest thing.

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    Here's the thing: You can complain while criticizing. However, it's only bad when the criticism becomes childish.
    Exactly. Going around calling criticism you don't like "complaining" though is unfair imo.

    You are free to disagree/dislike that criticism by all means but calling it complaining is just tantamount to dismissing something because you don't like/disagree with it.

  20. #6580
    Quote Originally Posted by ArgusTheUnmaker View Post
    Here's the thing: You can complain while criticizing. However, it's only bad when the criticism becomes childish.
    And you can criticise without complaining. Complaining is the part that makes you look childish.

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