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    So when does 8.2 come out, and when do you think 8.2.5 will release as well?

    So I know when to prepare for it...
    For the Horde!

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    Can they just update Shandris' model already, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

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    They also gonna add Vulpera and Sethrak Heroes in HeartStone...

    Vulpera is the boss from Freehold and is a Rogue Hero, and the Sethrak is a Shaman Hero...
    Coindence I think not!!! (Also please wish it be true for them to be Allied Races!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcshaggy View Post
    So when does 8.2 come out, and when do you think 8.2.5 will release as well?

    So I know when to prepare for it...
    They are already testing raid, and since Ion said that the raid would come 2 weeks after the patch, I would say mid-end of june?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prophet June Bug View Post
    Can they just update Shandris' model already, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
    Maybe this is more for you then man...
    I would hardly care for the other faction at all...But I LOVE THE HORDE!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by eduwneso View Post
    They are already testing raid, and since Ion said that the raid would come 2 weeks after the patch, I would say mid-end of june?
    I see...
    Just making sure when it releases I am ready to go for it...
    Did my War Campaign for now at least until they add more too it, and probably gonna do the questing in Nazjatar and maybe in Mechagon...

    Still need to level my Blood Elf Female Paladin for the Heritage Armor, and then my Tauren Male Shaman for the Tauren Heritage Armor...
    Gonna do the rest too when they either release the other HORDE Heritage Armors or find some good armor sets like for the Orc and Undead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rcshaggy View Post
    I see...
    Just making sure when it releases I am ready to go for it...
    Did my War Campaign for now at least until they add more too it, and probably gonna do the questing in Nazjatar and maybe in Mechagon...

    Still need to level my Blood Elf Female Paladin for the Heritage Armor, and then my Tauren Male Shaman for the Tauren Heritage Armor...
    Gonna do the rest too when they either release the other HORDE Heritage Armors or find some good armor sets like for the Orc and Undead...
    I think I'll take a couple of days from work for this patch, I want to burn it so I can have more time for other things I have to do in other games and my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcshaggy View Post
    So when does 8.2 come out, and when do you think 8.2.5 will release as well?

    So I know when to prepare for it...
    8.2 June 25th
    AEP Raid July 16th
    8.2.5 September 24th
    8.3 Either December 3rd/10th, or January 14th/21st. Either are possible. I think I'd rather 8.3 release Mid January tbh. 5.5 months is a decent patch length, but as long as we have waited, and the fact that there are two zones etc, makes me want 8.3 to release 6-7 months later rather than 5ish. Also means less waiting until 9.0.


    8.3 Jan 14th
    8.3 raid- Feb 4th
    8.3.5 April 21st
    9.0 Prepatch September 1st
    9.0- September 29th

    If they want a longer beta etc could push it back 1-2 months to October or November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rda View Post
    I am not much into the allied races, but I'll say that Vulpera and Mechagnomes don't seem like bad choices to me. I like that neither is close to the standard human (with variations of thin: elf, small: dwarf, big and kind of fat: kul tiran, etc) prototype. The more varied the species we can play are, the better. Although I understand difficulties with armor, etc.
    I totally agree. I understand some people might not be into Vulpera or Mechagnomes, but they're much better choices than yet another generic human-like race. Don't get me wrong, I like human-like races, but a bit of diversity never killed nobody.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prophet June Bug View Post
    Can they just update Shandris' model already, it sticks out like a sore thumb.
    I surely hope they do, yet, knowing Blizzard, I would be surprised if they put any effort into it.

    Quote Originally Posted by rcshaggy View Post
    They also gonna add Vulpera and Sethrak Heroes in HeartStone...

    Vulpera is the boss from Freehold and is a Rogue Hero, and the Sethrak is a Shaman Hero...
    Coindence I think not!!! (Also please wish it be true for them to be Allied Races!)
    I really hope the Sethrak will become an Allied Race. They're so unique it would be a shame to waste them away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post




    I totally agree. I understand some people might not be into Vulpera or Mechagnomes, but they're much better choices than yet another generic human-like race. Don't get me wrong, I like human-like races, but a bit of diversity never killed nobody.



    I surely hope they do, yet, knowing Blizzard, I would be surprised if they put any effort into it.



    I really hope the Sethrak will become an Allied Race. They're so unique it would be a shame to waste them away.
    Sethrak would probably be no more of an issue that something like Worgen? Shoulders would work fine for the most part. Helmet and maybe boots are the only issues. I think they are worth adding either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Sethrak would probably be no more of an issue that something like Worgen? Shoulders would work fine for the most part. Helmet and maybe boots are the only issues. I think they are worth adding either way.
    They could hide the helmets by default. Just like legs for Mechagnomes! I really want to see the snek-boyz in the Alliance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I do not mind Vulpera at all even though I doubt I'll play one. But Mechagnomes have the exact same problem with the Lightforged. They take a race's theme and crank it to 11, invalidating the base race in the process.
    I don't think so. Mechagnomes have a culture of their own and have a different aesthetic than regular Gnomes do. Same goes for Draenei who are quite chill and Lightforged Draenei who are Light fanatics, although I would agree the difference in aesthetic between those two races is very thin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    I don't think so. Mechagnomes have a culture of their own and have a different aesthetic than regular Gnomes do. Same goes for Draenei who are quite chill and Lightforged Draenei who are Light fanatics, although I would agree the difference in aesthetic between those two races is very thin.
    The Broken of Argus should have been the race tbh. They share a skeleton. They look good. No reason they aren't playable. I want a Broken Shaman so badly =/

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    I do think Mechagnomes are different enough to be their own allied race. Tauren and Lightforged are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    How is their culture different? I am just disappointed with the lore of Mechagon. They are essentially a separate group of gnomes who decided to start augmenting themselves and at some point their king went mad. Existing gnomes already do mechanical prosthetics they are just not as zealous about them. We don't even know if they are a separate group of mechagnomes than the ones that followed Archaedas in Uldaman.
    As for the Lightforged, they just don't seem that fanatical to me with the exception of Enaara, but that's about Enaara not about the Lightforged themselves (I mean they stood down when Illidan eyefucked their god in front of them, that doesn't really speak of fanaticism).
    Well their whole culture was about being purified of the curse of flesh by going back to mechanical bodies. To me, that's enough of a difference. If we follow your thought, Zandalari are just Trolls with a gold fetish, Highmountain Taurens are just mountain taurens, Kul Tirans are just fat sailors, etc.

    I agree about the Lightforged though, with the exception of Enaara being nuts hehe!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Indeed, the Broken were far more interesting since they subvert an existing theme.
    Agreed! :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Indeed, the Broken were far more interesting since they subvert an existing theme. Heck they could have easily kept Brox alive and have him on a leadership position among the Krokul and have the Krokul join the Horde because of their distrust of Velen (and it would have allowed Horde races to actually feel more involved during 7.3 by having a character that was clearly on their side).
    Lol, yeah. They don't trust velen so they join the faction with a race that willingly joined the Legion for power and tried to murder every member of the peaceful Eredar on their planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    I don't think so. Mechagnomes have a culture of their own and have a different aesthetic than regular Gnomes do. Same goes for Draenei who are quite chill and Lightforged Draenei who are Light fanatics, although I would agree the difference in aesthetic between those two races is very thin.
    I will definetly create a mechagnome, I love them! it seems that's an unpopular opinion here in the forums tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    But they don't know that. Read my entire premise. The only orcs the Krokul know of is Broxigar. They never left Argus and have no idea what happened in Draenor. What if Brox was never killed but rather taken as a slave and then escaped to join the Krokul? All they'd have known is of a race strong and fearless enough to face Sargeras himself.
    And you think he's just going to magically keep it a secret that 95% of the other orcs in existence are visibly fel green like him and living on a planet that isn't the one they're from? There's no chance that they heard, at any point, about Gul'dan or the Legions' efforts towards Azeroth? Is Broxigar just going to completely lie about his entire history and tell them the orcs are all super great people dedicated to fighting the Legion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    All the Krokul are fel green too. Why would they care about what some others orcs did. The Horde showed up in Argus, helped the Krokul and destroyed the Legion. They can join them or they can join the Alliance who did the same but also have Velen who they aparently do not like at all.
    Let's present a scenario.

    One day aliens come from space and invade Earth trying to wipe out all life in existence. You know you can't win so you agree to send all of your civilians on a space ship to escape. The space ship never comes back. Eventually you get pretty mad about that.

    Later you see one other, different alien who fights against the aliens who invaded earth and kills a bunch, he manages to get away and you meet up with him.

    You find out from him, (or from other people later) that he's from the planet your Ark ship went to, what a coincidence! And that almost every single member of his entire race joined those aliens that invaded you for glory and power, and then began slaughtering every human they could find, using their bones to pave roads and their souls to power the same magic the aliens who invaded Earth use!

    Meanwhile, you also found out that some of your people, who split from the civilian group, have been fighting for thousands of years against the forces of the aliens who invaded earth as an army of light-powered warriors. Eventually, they return to earth with two other types of strange aliesn and start fighting the Evil Aliens for hundreds of years. After a while, some more of your lost people also show up including the leader who you were mad at for leaving, and they help those other fighters who have been protecting and fighting alongside you for hundreds of years, and together they finally put an end to the Evil Aliens forever.

    Now.

    You can choose to either join the faction that your refugees have been sheltered by, which is also the faction that those two aliens who showed up with your people's light-warriors originally came from, who you have been fighting by for hundreds of years now. But also the faction that guy you don't like is working with, even though now he's also helped save you and destroy the Evil Aliens.

    Or you can choose to join the faction that the one hero's race of genocidal bloodthirsty conquerer's are from, who after slaughtering the remants of your Ark ship, then went with the Evil Aliens to go invade another planet and kill all the people there too.

    Which do you think is the more logical thing to do? Stay angry at someone you helped flee for never coming back even though they came back in force and drove off the invaders? Or join the group that willingly helped your greatest enemy and slaughtered the women and children you tried to let escape, because you met one of them and he killed a bunch of demons in the past and then died a few decades later of old age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I do think Mechagnomes are different enough to be their own allied race. Tauren and Lightforged are not.
    I'm pretty convinced that, had they come to the idea sooner, they might well have made LF Draenei and possibly HM Tauren into earned cosmetics in the same way that NE Night Warriors are cosmetics. Sure, they have different racials, but they didn't have to, and I think LF Draenei particularly would have worked very well as an earned cosmetic by following a storyline to assist some Draenei in becoming Lightforged. Equally the HM Tauren are a race, but you could have had a storyline where some other Tauren got blessed by the appropriate being and granted HM Tauren antlers and markings, so they could have just been cosmetic options for Tauren.

    But that's hindsight. Blizzard hadn't done the cosmetic thing then, that all came later. I presume the whole upright normal orcs thing only happened because they worked out that they could do it whilst developing the Maghar.

    Mechagnomes are a bit more of a big deal, because y'know cutting off your limbs and replacing them and so on is a bit more, er, extreme, so I think it's viable to make them a new race, not just a set of cosmetic options.

    I'm still hoping they do Wildhammer Dwarves myself, but I'd certainly be fine if they were just new cosmetic options that opened up for normal Dwarves after you did some kind of quest (probably also a new gryphon mount), though I'd also be fine with them as a race. And I think you could shut up about 93% of the High Elf crowd by giving Void Elves some HE skin tone and hair colour/style options (not that I think Blizzard cares).

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    I feel like that parable lost its train of thought somewhere in the middle. If anything, it shows that not all the aliens are alike, and you might even realize they were misled, just like the ones from your race that joined the evil aliens - not to mention that they were corrupted by one of your former leaders.
    And you might see those that freed themselves from the evil influence as more trustworthy than those of your kind that, to your knowledge, did nothing but flee.

    However, I'm actually of the opinion that with how diverse both factions are now, the ongoing faction conflict and player/character race split makes less and less sense.
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