1. #8081
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    And just like with LFR and other easy mods. Players will pick easyest way to do content no matter if it is fun or not becouse you know path of least resistance. Efficienty will always beat fun.
    And that's why (repeated) levelling needs to be its own reward.
    It doesn't become more "fun" if you add specific rewards, that many will see as more of less mandatory to acquire at some point.

    Make questing fun, then you don't need to throw rewards at players to get them to do it.

  2. #8082
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post

    It isn't, it's popular because of memories much like any old game.
    Who exactly are you to tell people why they like something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    It isn't, it's popular because of memories much like any old game.
    Memories from people that never played it?


    Denial is the hardest step to overcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    Who exactly are you to tell people why they like something.
    Somebody who is RP on a forum with Name and Surname I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    And that's why (repeated) levelling needs to be its own reward.
    It doesn't become more "fun" if you add specific rewards, that many will see as more of less mandatory to acquire at some point.

    Make questing fun, then you don't need to throw rewards at players to get them to do it.
    To me the leveling becomes more fun in WoD. You have modern quest mechanics where you can earn XP from bonus objectives, treasures, rares, the questing is efficient and interesting and tries to vary itself to not be all about killing X and collecting Y.

    Can't help but laugh at the crowd pretending it's all about "difficulty" though. Even on a tank leveling character in BfA, you'll die from not pulling carefully.. When doing Incursions, you'll die like a fly to the elite mobs if you don't have some serious self-healing. In Argus back in Legion, there were areas that remained dangerous and mobs that remained much easier to kill in a group even as we geared.

    It's not difficulty though, it's tuning. Pulling 2 mobs at most each pack and making sure to have a group for elite mobs is not mechanical difficulty. But yeah, we've had plenty of world content that kills players. And that content, kills players of today, not players of 2004. Players of today encounter world mobs with more mechanics than entire raid bosses back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduwneso View Post
    In the end, people will complain, more or less, so blizzard is fucked in retail no matter what they do
    Just you wait, they'll be fucked with Classic too in a matter of months beyond its release. The WoW fanbase is only slightly less toxic than the Star Wars fan club.

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    I would really love to see a video of a tank in BfA diying while levelling for having pulled too much.



    Until then..

    " below average player dies while not pressing spell " for 50$ Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porcodio View Post
    I would really love to see a video of a tank in BfA diying while levelling for having pulled too much.



    Until then..

    " below average player dies while not pressing spell " for 50$ Alex
    The vast vast majority of players are below average, FYI.
    True now, even more true back in Classic. If they die due to lack of skill now, you can bet your ass they died because of a lack of skill back then.

    Meanwhile, people with even an inkling of what to do in Classic leveling, afk talk to viewers whilst auto-attacking mobs down. Wow, such skill!

    Now back to something more interesting than 15 year old content which belongs in its own forum anyway:
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    Level Squish for Future Expansions - Blizzard Survey

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=292286/...lizzard-survey

    This'll probably show up on the front page, but interesting nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    The vast vast majority of players are below average, FYI.
    True now, even more true back in Classic. If they die due to lack of skill now, you can bet your ass they died because of a lack of skill back then.

    Meanwhile, people with even an inkling of what to do in Classic leveling, afk talk to viewers whilst auto-attacking mobs down. Wow, such skill!

    Now back to something more interesting than 15 year old content which belongs in its own forum anyway:
    __________________________________________________________________________________________ __________

    Level Squish for Future Expansions - Blizzard Survey

    https://www.wowhead.com/news=292286/...lizzard-survey

    This'll probably show up on the front page, but interesting nonetheless.
    I just had to butt in here, because my pedantic side has to object here. It is impossible for a majority to be below average. And i feel it necesary that everyone knows that.

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    Other than that, yes. Vanilla levelling is not really "difficult" it is tedious, going fast takes skill. Which is an important distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I just had to butt in here, because my pedantic side has to object here. It is impossible for a majority to be below average. And i feel it necesary that everyone knows that.
    You right, you right.
    The vast majority are bad players then, either way there's a reason why only a small percentage ever manages to tackle content of actual difficulty whilst the rest becomes convinced that content from 15 years ago was more difficult than Mythic raiding of today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduwneso View Post
    This seems to be false because leveling from 116 to 120 was dangerous and you could not pull a lot of mobs or you would die and more than one time you had to use CD's.

    Guess what? people complained a LOT (yes it was because they felt less powerful leveling to 120) but for me it was something new, having to use CD's because I pulled more mobs than needed or I would die.
    Just wondering what class were you playing? 116-120 for me was no different then earlier levels Mabye even a bit faster where I could pull 5-7 mobs and aoe them down as a survival hunter without using things like misdirect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Just wondering what class were you playing? 116-120 for me was no different then earlier levels Mabye even a bit faster where I could pull 5-7 mobs and aoe them down as a survival hunter without using things like misdirect.
    Happened to me with every class I rushed (monk dps, paladin dps, fury, elemental chaman), except hunter. The thing was, for me it was easier pre 166 than after, but I don't whine about it, instead I like it a lot, that I had to be careful and I used my CD's more often than not while leveling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Just wondering what class were you playing? 116-120 for me was no different then earlier levels Mabye even a bit faster where I could pull 5-7 mobs and aoe them down as a survival hunter without using things like misdirect.
    My back then Mythic geared BM hunter could pull just about anything without being afraid. My pet would die a lot but a quick revive, feign and misdirect took care of that. That was before heirlooms, so using Azerite pieces.

    With my subsequent characters, all of which are at most LFR geared, I've had to take care even on classes like Brewmaster Monk or Warrior. Especially when using heirlooms instead of the Azerite armor. Currently my Outlaw Rogue is the one I quest with, and pulling more than 2 mobs is a gamble. I only do big pulls if I have access to every CD and can burn them down very fast whilst using the defensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eduwneso View Post
    Happened to me with every class I rushed (monk dps, paladin dps, fury, elemental chaman), except hunter. The thing was, for me it was easier pre 166 than after, but I don't whine about it, instead I like it a lot, that I had to be careful and I used my CD's more often than not while leveling.
    Huh Mabye survival was just over tuned at lunch then. The only other class I leveled was a pally but I quested as holy so I didn’t see any change there either.

  15. #8095
    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    You right, you right.
    The vast majority are bad players then, either way there's a reason why only a small percentage ever manages to tackle content of actual difficulty whilst the rest becomes convinced that content from 15 years ago was more difficult than Mythic raiding of today.
    You dont have to do mythic raiding to experinece content. Reason why so many people never finish mythic is becouse they dont have to no becouse they cant. You think average casual player will go waste his time on content what he alredy finished in LFR? Hell no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Huh Mabye survival was just over tuned at lunch then. The only other class I leveled was a pally but I quested as holy so I didn’t see any change there either.
    I don't know, take into account that I'm one of those that says "If I see 20 I take 20" hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    You dont have to do mythic raiding to experinece content.
    You're free to experience the content aimed at the lowest common denominator.

    It's not the finite content though, the content that requires more than 1 half of a brain and at minimum 1 finger on each hand. And when people only experiencing that content run around professing to wanting challenge, that's pants on head retarded.
    Which of course matches the content they run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    My back then Mythic geared BM hunter could pull just about anything without being afraid. My pet would die a lot but a quick revive, feign and misdirect took care of that. That was before heirlooms, so using Azerite pieces.

    With my subsequent characters, all of which are at most LFR geared, I've had to take care even on classes like Brewmaster Monk or Warrior. Especially when using heirlooms instead of the Azerite armor. Currently my Outlaw Rogue is the one I quest with, and pulling more than 2 mobs is a gamble. I only do big pulls if I have access to every CD and can burn them down very fast whilst using the defensive.
    I was just in Argus gear but I remember my pet kept dying during mass pulls at like 111-12 so I just stopped using misdirect and found I was able to face tank no problem and with getting more azerite pieces like the heal on kill or stacking poison debuff it was smooth all the way to 120.

    The only other toon I’ve levelled this expan has been a pally and I did all of that as holy because I hate Ret so that was slow all the way though.

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    I am pretty certain that they will replace "Titanforging" with the upgrade system

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    I was just in Argus gear but I remember my pet kept dying during mass pulls at like 111-12 so I just stopped using misdirect and found I was able to face tank no problem and with getting more azerite pieces like the heal on kill or stacking poison debuff it was smooth all the way to 120.

    The only other toon I’ve levelled this expan has been a pally and I did all of that as holy because I hate Ret so that was slow all the way though.
    Well, Azerite pieces are quite powerful.
    Most players will be using heirlooms now though, which gives more XP but also removes any Azerite boons and the massive stats from said Azerite gear.

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