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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    It is not. Becouse people want exclusive challenges. No challenge withing content they have alredy finish in lower difficulty. To make it easy for you. TBC raiding.

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    The percentage of people raiding in an organized fashion has remained stable throughout the game, didn't change with the implementation of LFR. People choosing the path of least resistance is a fact, and so is the reality that there's always a crowd that wants to strive for more. The crowd wanting to always choose the path of least resistance won't be spurred to strive for more, they'll just not partake. This was confirmed by developers of the game, and they 100% know better than you on that topic.

    LFR justifies the resources put into raiding content. As a real raider, that keeps me happy. The crowd of raiders so fragile in their ego that they can't abide the idea of the masses seeing watered down fights for watered down rewards can, pardon my French, go fuck themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    It is not. Becouse people want exclusive challenges. No challenge withing content they have alredy finish in lower difficulty. To make it easy for you. TBC raiding.

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    Yes but.main reason why participation in higher difficulty levels drop is becouse of pressence of easy mods. You know path of least resistance? Mythic raid should be only viable difficulty for everyone. No easy mods, no lfg non of that inclusive stuff. It is not fun doing same exact content over and over. Oh you finished heroic raid? Now do it all again in mythic. Yeah sure no thanks i will rather do LFR and quit till new content. This is current mindset of majority of casual playerbase. With 1 difficulty you are forced to keep playing or you wont see content = higher retantion of players. And yes evem when they don get to wxperience it. It still keeps those players playing game. You know desire?
    This just seems like wishful thinking. Most players don’t play at a level that they could clear a mythic raid if it was the only content most can’t even do heroic. Having No easy raids does nothing for player retention that is what we had in cata before dragon soul and it lead to raiding not being worth the dev time put into it.

    If you want challenging content you can ignore lfr you can even ignore normal and lfg and only raid with your guild, that how ever is not what most players want.

    Hell the cata launch dungeons are a perfect example of his, people don’t rise up they go home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    The percentage of people raiding in an organized fashion has remained stable throughout the game, didn't change with the implementation of LFR. People choosing the path of least resistance is a fact, and so is the reality that there's always a crowd that wants to strive for more. The crowd wanting to always choose the path of least resistance won't be spurred to strive for more, they'll just not partake. This was confirmed by developers of the game, and they 100% know better than you on that topic.

    LFR justifies the resources put into raiding content. As a real raider, that keeps me happy. The crowd of raiders so fragile in their ego that they can't abide the idea of the masses seeing watered down fights for watered down rewards can, pardon my French, go fuck themselves.
    It isnt about ego. It is about not wasting my time in content i have alredy finished with no exclusive content. There is no point doing mythic. It offers nothing extra except for challenge than LFR. And challenge without rewards is not appeling at all. Wohhonyou get achievement omg so crazy. I have all AoC achievements till end of MOP. I dont care about single one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    It isnt about ego. It is about not wasting my time in content i have alredy finished with no exclusive content. There is no point doing mythic. It offers nothing extra except for challenge than LFR. And challenge without rewards is not appeling at all. Wohhonyou get achievement omg so crazy. I have all AoC achievements till end of MOP. I dont care about single one of them.
    It's ok. Others care. They care about achievements, higher ilvl gear, mounts, or simply about being challenged by Mythic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    This just seems like wishful thinking. Most players don’t play at a level that they could clear a mythic raid if it was the only content most can’t even do heroic. Having No easy raids does nothing for player retention that is what we had in cata before dragon soul and it lead to raiding not being worth the dev time put into it.

    If you want challenging content you can ignore lfr you can even ignore normal and lfg and only raid with your guild, that how ever is not what most players want.

    Hell the cata launch dungeons are a perfect example of his, people don’t rise up they go home.
    And classic demand proves you wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    It's ok. Others care. They care about achievements, higher ilvl gear, mounts, or simply about being challenged by Mythic.
    No they dont. And mounts are not exclusive becouse you can refarm then next expansion just like gear currently also have no value. Becouse every average joe can reach 410+ without even touching raids. Not mentioning since BlIzzard put token in you can just buy yourself entire end game content. Talking about p2w.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    And classic demand proves you wrong.
    And lets see how much of this demand remains, when people realize they dps a boss with 1 meaningful mechanic, while pressing 1-2 buttons in their rotation.

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    No they dont. Ans mounts are not exclusive becouse you can refarm then next expansion just like gear currently also have no value. Becouse every averahe joe can reach 410+ without even touching raids.
    So you yourself speak on behalf of Mythic community? Mkay. Oh and tell that to all those people, who to this day farm Invincible/Head of Mimiron.
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    I really can't wait until 8.2 comes out hehe, there is really no joy in currently following this pointless classic debatte.

    Also don't want to sound bonkers, but does someone aswell has the feeling they just wait until E3 ends to announce the date, to avoid sharing hype?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    And classic demand proves you wrong.
    It really doesn’t and you’d have to be deluded to think other wise. Classic isn’t raid focused and the classic raids have less going for then then any normal raid we get now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porcodio View Post
    Somebody who is RP on a forum with Name and Surname I guess.
    That passive aggressiveism isn't going to help you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And lets see how much of this demand remains, when people realize they dps a boss with 1 meaningful mechanic, while pressing 1-2 buttons in their rotation.



    So you yourself speak on behalf of Mythic community? Mkay. Oh and tell that to all those people, who to this day farm Invincible/Head of Mimiron.
    Yeah they farm. And whem they get it is like yaaay new mount now what? Just another instant gratification what will fade in 5 minutes. You dont even see people use those mounts becouse people know there is nothong special about them. I saw Hazel reaction when ahe drop direhorn from Throne of Thunder. She was like "ok" mount it and wasnt even like excited at all. Completly hollow reward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    That passive aggressiveism isn't going to help you.




    I am not in denial, I know exactly what people will experience in classic. It's people holding Classic up as so great and timeless that will be in for a short surprise.
    You saying it like it is something what will happen in future. If you didnt notice people play classic right now and everyone have blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    It really doesn’t and you’d have to be deluded to think other wise. Classic isn’t raid focused and the classic raids have less going for then then any normal raid we get now.
    Yes but more tha. LFR which is more than enough pull people from BFA. And it doesnt really matter becouse people what want classic do not play bfa at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Yeah they farm. And whem they get it is like yaaay new mount now what? Just another instant gratification what will fade in 5 minutes. You dont even see people use those mounts becouse people know there is nothong special about them. I saw Hazel reaction when ahe drop direhorn from Throne of Thunder. She was like "ok" mount it and wasnt even like excited at all. Completly hollow reward.
    You keep fixating on these mounts pal. That was only one of the reasons. Quick glance shows me so many Mythic guilds. But I guess they all hate it, but still do them for some weird reason? And I don't really get were you are coming from. Don't you realize, that Classic raids are SO.MUCH.EASIER than today's Mythic/Heroic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Yes but more tha. LFR which is more than enough pull people from BFA. And it doesnt really matter becouse people what want classic do not play bfa at all.
    You keep speaking for others with 100% certainty, but you are clueless. We already see the reality of how it's gonna be. When closed Classic beta started, people were reporting Vanilla features as bugs, Blizz had to even post "Not a bug" list. Not a long time ago I saw a post with a tester saying, that "Classic dungeons are too easy". They were not, he just remembered them differently. So ye, reality is creeping in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Yes but more tha. LFR which is more than enough pull people from BFA. And it doesnt really matter becouse people what want classic do not play bfa at all.
    Lfr proabbly has more going for it then any classic raid. But if you think lfr raiders are gonna leave in drove to go raid in classic you are again deluded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    You keep fixating on these mounts pal. That was only one of the reasons. Quick glance shows me so many Mythic guilds. But I guess they all hate it, but still do them for some weird reason? And I don't really get were you are coming from. Don't you realize, that Classic raids are SO.MUCH.EASIER than today's Mythic/Heroic?



    You keep speaking for others with 100% certainty, but you are clueless. We already see the reality of how it's gonna be. When closed Classic beta started, people were reporting Vanilla features as bugs, Blizz had to even post "Not a bug" list. Not a long time ago I saw a post with a tester saying, that "Classic dungeons are too easy". They were not, he just remembered them differently. So ye, reality is creeping in.
    Yes they are. But they are still far more interesting becouse they are exclusivly designed for 1 difficulty only. Mythic will never be interesting becouse it is still same content what playera clear in LFR. There is no new boss, no new lore. Nothing it is same content.

    Yes becouse Blizzard also invated lot of players what never played vannila. And post like classic dungeons are way too easy are created by clueless players. They see lvl 15 players running lvl 10 dungeon completly outgeared while players are experienced raiders and they wonder why it looks easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    It isnt about ego. It is about not wasting my time in content i have alredy finished with no exclusive content. There is no point doing mythic. It offers nothing extra except for challenge than LFR. And challenge without rewards is not appeling at all. Wohhonyou get achievement omg so crazy. I have all AoC achievements till end of MOP. I dont care about single one of them.
    Mythic also offers the best possible gear, titles, mounts, FOS.

    If your motivation to raid is killed by others having access to watered down versions of the content with watered down rewards, your motivation wasn't all that much to begin with, and it is in fact about your ego.

    It's not the same content. Mythic requires a team where every player carries his weight, LFR can be completed with mouthbreathers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Lfr proabbly has more going for it then any classic raid. But if you think lfr raiders are gonna leave in drove to go raid in classic you are again deluded.
    Delusion is kinda his expertise, it would seem. "People who want Classic don't play BfA at all", what utter ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Yes they are. But they are still far more interesting becouse they are exclusivly designed for 1 difficulty only. Mythic will never be interesting becouse it is still same content what playera clear in LFR. There is no new boss, no new lore. Nothing it is same content.
    This is world first Ragnaros kill. Tell me how "far more interesting" is it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    You sneaky you...

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    Nope. this thread's pretty dry right now, Blizzard's gotta start releasing 8.2 and then get 8.2.5 up on PTR!
    Thanks mate! Well, 8.2 is close, so it shouldn't be long now til we see those cinematics hehehe!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I just had to butt in here, because my pedantic side has to object here. It is impossible for a majority to be below average. And i feel it necesary that everyone knows that.
    Actually, that is possible if you have a large group at roughly the same level and a small one way above that, so that the average ends up high enough to not include the large group. If you assume that 50%+ are at skill level 1 and everybody else is above, it must actually be that way, as the average is necessarily >1.

    What isn't possible is for a majority to be below the median.

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    It is truly a shame if vulpera were to be added.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    This is world first Ragnaros kill. Tell me how "far more interesting" is it.
    No discussing with a person delusional enough to believe that Mythic Jaina is the same content as LFR Jaina, really.
    Why didn't the first 100 people that killed her on LFR get the FOS title?? Unfair!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    This is world first Ragnaros kill. Tell me how "far more interesting" is it.
    Does video shows all preparation and everything els prio to this kill? Becouse thats also what makes classic raids fun. You dont have to do that in LFR. Just press 1 button and afk win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    No discussing with a person delusional enough to believe that Mythic Jaina is the same content as LFR Jaina, really.
    Why didn't the first 100 people that killed her on LFR get the FOS title?? Unfair!
    I think you dont understand what means word content. Achievements are not content. Uldir is content, questing in voldun is content. Doing same raid on higher difficulty is not new content.

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