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    Quote Originally Posted by Alga View Post
    Since we have to wait for 8.2.5 who knows, but it could also be a wanted misleading style element, since the cloth he wears is like a reskin from Daelin's model. Could work like the suggestion of the alliance Broken Shore cinematic, that the Horde lefts the Alliance in their hour of need.
    It could also be a complete coincidence. I am fairly confident Kul Tirans can have a custom belt with that dagger hanging from the back (Incidentally, why has Blizz not made the Kul Tiran civilian/Officer transmog available yet?) So when Blizz updated the model, they might just have copied that belt.

    The angle and the music seemed to play leads me to believe it was at the very least a red herring though. We will see once 8.2.5 comes out and Blizzard hits the final crossroads to veer the plot into a final direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    It could also be a complete coincidence. I am fairly confident Kul Tirans can have a custom belt with that dagger hanging from the back (Incidentally, why has Blizz not made the Kul Tiran civilian/Officer transmog available yet?) So when Blizz updated the model, they might just have copied that belt.

    The angle and the music seemed to play leads me to believe it was at the very least a red herring though. We will see once 8.2.5 comes out and Blizzard hits the final crossroads to veer the plot into a final direction.
    Rewatched some Cinematics, the first Cinematic of Kul Tiras also had a segment direclty showing Daelins back with the dagger at the back, so who knows if they really want to signal something, but if it seems like it would aimed at Jaina, but it will depend on if she is visiting Derek at his place or the trap is like a time bomb and will snap at Calia.

    Speculating is fun, but it still bugs me a little bit that we have to wait long time for such plot reveals, which maybe would have fit into 8.2. But yeah we have to see.

  3. #8283
    Quote Originally Posted by Alga View Post
    Rewatched some Cinematics, the first Cinematic of Kul Tiras also had a segment direclty showing Daelins back with the dagger at the back, so who knows if they really want to signal something, but if it seems like it would aimed at Jaina, but it will depend on if she is visiting Derek at his place or the trap is like a time bomb and will snap at Calia.

    Speculating is fun, but it still bugs me a little bit that we have to wait long time for such plot reveals, which maybe would have fit into 8.2. But yeah we have to see.
    That is kind of the point. While the angle and music definitely seems to be implying something, it could very easily just be the ideal angle to shoot the cinematic, and given that the dagger is definitely something that is part of the model, and nothing else of note is on the back, your eyes are naturally drawn towards the dagger.

    We will wait and see though, if Derek is still brainwashed, then the story is in no rush to get to that point. It hasnt even properly set up where he is going. We know with meta-knowledge, but from a game perspective, he was essentially just written out of the game.

  4. #8284
    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Spoilers from 8.2: [...]
    That's Suramar, and only confirms both factions partaking in the actual assault on the Nighthold, not which adventurers helped Thalyssra establish Meredil. And even there it's mentioned that Tyrande only agreed to ally to fight the greater threat. Liadrin and her Blood Elves were more sympathetic, which swung the Thalyssra in the Horde's favor.

    My assumption is that Horde adventurers mainly assisted in Meredil and Highmountain, while the Alliance ones helped Tyrande in Val'sharah and foiled Sylvanas' plan in Stormheim (the end cinematic is a win for Genn/the Alliance)
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    Did they brought back on ptr, the totem for tauren heritage armor? Or nah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    They might have, cannot remember them mentioning anything like that though.

    If it is correct, then i would assume it did not refer to Mekkatorque seeing as he was very specifically mentioned as being in what is essentially Sci-Fi coma.
    Other than that, i cannot really think of a notable Alliance character that could die, Katherine i suppose, but even then.

    I could see Tyrande dying though, either by sacrificing herself in an effort to kill Sylvanas, or having her go crazy because of the Night warrior transformation. The new model and weapon is way too cool to just languish in obscure NPC land forever. She has to come back to BfA eventually, or she will never come back with any relevance.
    Here' something ominous though correlating Cata Dungeon END TIME and my God! It seems we're heading that way. Baine is involved, Tyrande and Jaina... and of course Sylvanas. Nozdormu missing in the HoA dragonflight quest/scene...And once again it has something to do with the Dargon Soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    Here' something ominous though correlating Cata Dungeon END TIME and my God! It seems we're heading that way. Baine is involved, Tyrande and Jaina... and of course Sylvanas. Nozdormu missing in the HoA dragonflight quest/scene...And once again it has something to do with the Dargon Soul.
    This forum already told you that your theories are absurd, the Dragon soul is not relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    This forum already told you that your theories are absurd, the Dragon soul is not relevant.
    I did mentioned the Dragon Soul with my speculation about it aside.

    The events in BfA right now coincide with the general theme for "End Time" as a dungeon and base on how WoW described it to be in their official page.

    It says that you have to face an echo of the major leaders in the future in a dead world. And the only way for them to retrieve the Dragon Soul which would stop Deathwing and preventing them " from traveling back to the past" was Murozond or Nozdormu's transfigured self in future to come.

    Why does the Dragon Soul always has been involved in 3 major events: WoE and Azshara Summoning Sargeras leading to the Sundering. Deathwing and his madness along with the Shattering, and the retrieval of Dragon Soul in the preventive measure of the Hour of Twilight. The third, now I am inswrting my speculation that HoE=Dragon Soul, to be the hour of the third death, Azeroth's and a term was coined for that but I completely forgot.

    "takes adventurers into one of the many possible futures of Azeroth, revealing what will transpire if Deathwing is not stopped: the Hour of Twilight."
    But what if we disn't really killed Deathwing during his madness inside the Maelstrom but only delayed his supposed death to coincide with the Hour of Twilight in which is the exact time of his death?


    Description from community site
    One of an infinite number of potential outcomes, this timeway depicts the desolate future of Azeroth should its defenders fail to stop Deathwing. In this bleak future, Nozdormu has identified an anomaly that bars access to both the past and the Dragon Soul: a powerful creature from out of time, living alone amid time-twisted echoes of the past.

    In order for Nozdormu to provide you the ability to travel back in time to a point before the Dragon Soul was hidden by Malfurion Stormrage from anyone who’d seek its power, you must first go to a distant and desolate future to discover the anomaly blocking the past. You'll find yourself in a very different Dragonblight, stripped of its snowy landscape, with little more than ruins of the once-great dragonshrines. Wyrmrest Temple itself stands only as a reminder of Deathwing's madness—what's left of his scorched remains is impaled atop the structure.

    Before you confront the creature disrupting Nozdormu's access to the past, you'll first be called to fight any two of the following four ostensibly familiar leaders, chosen at random each time you play through End Time.

    These long-dead heroes are mere echoes of their former glory, further warped by the corruptive force of time. Their presence here is a great mystery, even to Nozdormu. Once these shades have been laid to rest, the maniacal figure blocking Nozdormu's vision will be revealed at the End Time. None of the Dragon Aspects could have predicted what entity would have such power to interrupt the sight of the Timeless One… the ability to create a new and infinite dragonflight. Only by destroying a mysterious dragon known as Murozond will you give Azeroth's protectors the opportunity to avoid the potential outcome to which your eyes bear witness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    That's Suramar, and only confirms both factions partaking in the actual assault on the Nighthold, not which adventurers helped Thalyssra establish Meredil. And even there it's mentioned that Tyrande only agreed to ally to fight the greater threat. Liadrin and her Blood Elves were more sympathetic, which swung the Thalyssra in the Horde's favor.

    My assumption is that Horde adventurers mainly assisted in Meredil and Highmountain, while the Alliance ones helped Tyrande in Val'sharah and foiled Sylvanas' plan in Stormheim (the end cinematic is a win for Genn/the Alliance)
    It doesn't confirm one thing or another, it confirms that both factions helped her in Suramar. I would think it includes everything in Suramar.

    Why ask for source when you are just going to spin it like it doesn't matter. Your assumption isn't worth anything when it is stated by the main person herself that they both helped her.
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    So my guess for next expansion is that nzoth wins and azeroth dies and we must pull a time heist to revert the damage, new artifact is basically the infinity gauntlet, and stuff.

    That is my guess Blizzard loves copying pop culture.


    Another guess is well I will just copy this gem:

    In the final patch of BFA we have Siege of Orgrimmar 2. That’s literally what the raid is called. It’s just SoO but undead themed. Apothecaries are torturing and experimenting on civilians in the streets. The raid is also the same layout though at the beginning you’re in Tirisfal instead of the Vale.

    Sylvanas is arrested instead of killed, because the Zandalari have suffered more than the Alliance and Horde. There’s a trial held in Zandalar by the Loa. This is detailed in the pre-xpac book, “Death Crimes”. Sylvanas is broken out by an Infinite Dragon and is taken to the past of an alternate Lordaeron so he can make an infinite army of Scourge to fight the Void Lords. Sylvanas kills him.

    The next xpac is called Generals of Lordaeron. Sylvanas uses the Living Alliance to get revenge, the Generals being heroes such as Arthas, Uther, Jaina, Antonidas, Garithos, members of the Silver Hand, etc. The portal to the present day is powered by necromancy magic fueled by the imprisoned Kel’Thuzad, Dar’khan Drathir, and Darkmaster Gandling, who we have to hunt after freeing them when we invade Lordaeron with Med’an. Arthas is the leader and Sylvanas is killed in a scenario, with Alliance working with Arathi Humans who are against the Living Alliance and the Horde working with High Elves that were enslaved for labor lead by the young Kael’thas (who present day Rommath is in a relationship with during beta) after Anasterian sacrifices himself later on, which paves the way for them to be an Allied Race a couple expansions later. Generals of Lordaeron ends with Kel’Thuzad escaping to our time to invade us with his Undead, that expansion being called “Scourge”.

    Also

    8.3 isnt the siege of orgrimmar but the burning of orgrimmar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe The Frog View Post
    So my guess for next expansion is that nzoth wins and azeroth dies and we must pull a time heist to revert the damage, new artifact is basically the infinity gauntlet, and stuff.

    That is my guess Blizzard loves copying pop culture.


    Another guess is well I will just copy this gem:

    In the final patch of BFA we have Siege of Orgrimmar 2. That’s literally what the raid is called. It’s just SoO but undead themed. Apothecaries are torturing and experimenting on civilians in the streets. The raid is also the same layout though at the beginning you’re in Tirisfal instead of the Vale.

    Sylvanas is arrested instead of killed, because the Zandalari have suffered more than the Alliance and Horde. There’s a trial held in Zandalar by the Loa. This is detailed in the pre-xpac book, “Death Crimes”. Sylvanas is broken out by an Infinite Dragon and is taken to the past of an alternate Lordaeron so he can make an infinite army of Scourge to fight the Void Lords. Sylvanas kills him.

    The next xpac is called Generals of Lordaeron. Sylvanas uses the Living Alliance to get revenge, the Generals being heroes such as Arthas, Uther, Jaina, Antonidas, Garithos, members of the Silver Hand, etc. The portal to the present day is powered by necromancy magic fueled by the imprisoned Kel’Thuzad, Dar’khan Drathir, and Darkmaster Gandling, who we have to hunt after freeing them when we invade Lordaeron with Med’an. Arthas is the leader and Sylvanas is killed in a scenario, with Alliance working with Arathi Humans who are against the Living Alliance and the Horde working with High Elves that were enslaved for labor lead by the young Kael’thas (who present day Rommath is in a relationship with during beta) after Anasterian sacrifices himself later on, which paves the way for them to be an Allied Race a couple expansions later. Generals of Lordaeron ends with Kel’Thuzad escaping to our time to invade us with his Undead, that expansion being called “Scourge”.

    Also

    8.3 isnt the siege of orgrimmar but the burning of orgrimmar.
    It seems like Malfurion was also at fault why the Sundering had happened. Looking from the other side of things it says that Azshara made a spellwork perfect and should be stable enough to let Sargeras enter Azeroth. During that time, Illidan somewhat also allied himself with Azshara.

    Not syre why Malfurion was afraid of going to the Rift of Aln and somehow why N'Zoth and his minions have infiltrated the Dreamworld or if Nyalotha and The Rift are interconnected even be considered as one.

    Come to think of it, a druid in a slumbering state not unless awakened can be considered "dead" or "almost dead" at most. Why does N'Zoth always say we have to be awakened? Is everythinf happening in our current timeline and in between just a dream or nightmare? Matrix, anyone?

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    My bet on next expansion will be "WoW 2"-sort of deal. Legion and BfA were made to set up a clean board for the franchise, leading to a soft reboot for the franchise, with a timeskip of a few years (around 10). "New" continents are Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdom (not revamps, actually new continents in game files) and you'll be able to level entirely on them (but you can travel to other continents or to old versions of Kalimdor and EK if you so wish).

    THe longer patch cycle, the Warfront zone remakes, Uther's Tomb remake, the destruction of capital cities (and there will be others, I think) and other stuff are to allow Blizzard enough time and reuse enough resources for the titanic task of remaking Kalimdor and EK.

    The new continents will feel fresh. Familiar but different. Some zones will be completely different from what we know today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeicideUH View Post
    My bet on next expansion will be "WoW 2"-sort of deal. Legion and BfA were made to set up a clean board for the franchise, leading to a soft reboot for the franchise, with a timeskip of a few years (around 10). "New" continents are Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdom (not revamps, actually new continents in game files) and you'll be able to level entirely on them (but you can travel to other continents or to old versions of Kalimdor and EK if you so wish).

    THe longer patch cycle, the Warfront zone remakes, Uther's Tomb remake, the destruction of capital cities (and there will be others, I think) and other stuff are to allow Blizzard enough time and reuse enough resources for the titanic task of remaking Kalimdor and EK.

    The new continents will feel fresh. Familiar but different. Some zones will be completely different from what we know today.
    I'd rather they just revamped EK and Kalimdor and brought them into 2019. Entirely new versions of the 2 seems overly complicated.
    We already experienced a WoW 2.0 of sorts with Legion. It set the bar for the game never before seen, not even during MoP which we know had a change in design philosophies. Then WoD came with its intention of never giving us more than 6.2 and set them back quite badly in goodwill.

    Then again, another revamp of EK and Kalimdor couldn't be done as they did the Cata revamp. They still reused just about all the art assets from each zone for the revamp, meaning those zones still have vanilla models and textures on trees and ground clutter. With a new revamp, they'd also need to 100% visually update every mob, every critter, every piece of foliage, ground textures, make use of new light, fog etc.

    So when thinking that far, it doesn't seem too far fetched with a total revamp whilst saving Cata EK/Kalimdor as "timewalking"-type leveling content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drekmar View Post
    8.3 is definitely coming. Idk whats with those anti-8.3 incel crusaders.
    They seem to believe that WoD was cut short, and hope that since they're not enjoying BFA, noone is. Ergo Blizzard should "cut their losses" and focus on 9.0.

    But that's not what happened, we had an interview linked in this very thread where one of the leads coming back to WoW during WoD was concerned to learn that they didn't plan for more content beyond Tanaan. It was a hack job of an expansion all the way through, minimum effort.

    Legion had 3 major patches, BfA will have 3 major patches, and bringing out .5 patches also gives them more time to work on 9.0 than if they'd just cut and run like the crowd of naysay crusaders suggest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters View Post
    Then again, another revamp of EK and Kalimdor couldn't be done as they did the Cata revamp. They still reused just about all the art assets from each zone for the revamp, meaning those zones still have vanilla models and textures on trees and ground clutter. With a new revamp, they'd also need to 100% visually update every mob, every critter, every piece of foliage, ground textures, make use of new light, fog etc.
    Copying/pasting the old continents into new files and then working on them would allow Blizzard to really go wild, changing terrain to fit new needs, moving boundaries for zones and so on. They could even finally glue Quel'thalas and Myst Isles into the proper continents without messing with TBC content.

    Think of all the assets Blizzard has created since MoP. We now can have entirely high resolution human, orc, draenei, night elf and forsaken towns. Almost every mob from old continents already has high-res models, with only some exceptions (like forest trolls, gnolls and centaurs), which could be introduced in 9.0.

    Look how Arathi and Darkshore got revamped. Take a look at Uther's Tomb (which was revamped for apparently no reason).

    Sky's the limit.
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    Basically the only thing we can say is if there's two loading screens they're doing split continents again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertigo12 View Post
    I did mentioned the Dragon Soul with my speculation about it aside.

    The events in BfA right now coincide with the general theme for "End Time" as a dungeon and base on how WoW described it to be in their official page.

    It says that you have to face an echo of the major leaders in the future in a dead world. And the only way for them to retrieve the Dragon Soul which would stop Deathwing and preventing them " from traveling back to the past" was Murozond or Nozdormu's transfigured self in future to come.

    Why does the Dragon Soul always has been involved in 3 major events: WoE and Azshara Summoning Sargeras leading to the Sundering. Deathwing and his madness along with the Shattering, and the retrieval of Dragon Soul in the preventive measure of the Hour of Twilight. The third, now I am inswrting my speculation that HoE=Dragon Soul, to be the hour of the third death, Azeroth's and a term was coined for that but I completely forgot.

    "takes adventurers into one of the many possible futures of Azeroth, revealing what will transpire if Deathwing is not stopped: the Hour of Twilight."
    But what if we disn't really killed Deathwing during his madness inside the Maelstrom but only delayed his supposed death to coincide with the Hour of Twilight in which is the exact time of his death?


    Description from community site
    One of an infinite number of potential outcomes, this timeway depicts the desolate future of Azeroth should its defenders fail to stop Deathwing. In this bleak future, Nozdormu has identified an anomaly that bars access to both the past and the Dragon Soul: a powerful creature from out of time, living alone amid time-twisted echoes of the past.

    In order for Nozdormu to provide you the ability to travel back in time to a point before the Dragon Soul was hidden by Malfurion Stormrage from anyone who’d seek its power, you must first go to a distant and desolate future to discover the anomaly blocking the past. You'll find yourself in a very different Dragonblight, stripped of its snowy landscape, with little more than ruins of the once-great dragonshrines. Wyrmrest Temple itself stands only as a reminder of Deathwing's madness—what's left of his scorched remains is impaled atop the structure.

    Before you confront the creature disrupting Nozdormu's access to the past, you'll first be called to fight any two of the following four ostensibly familiar leaders, chosen at random each time you play through End Time.

    These long-dead heroes are mere echoes of their former glory, further warped by the corruptive force of time. Their presence here is a great mystery, even to Nozdormu. Once these shades have been laid to rest, the maniacal figure blocking Nozdormu's vision will be revealed at the End Time. None of the Dragon Aspects could have predicted what entity would have such power to interrupt the sight of the Timeless One… the ability to create a new and infinite dragonflight. Only by destroying a mysterious dragon known as Murozond will you give Azeroth's protectors the opportunity to avoid the potential outcome to which your eyes bear witness.
    I mean there's a reason the anniversary mount is deathwing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doffen View Post
    Why ask for source when you are just going to spin it like it doesn't matter.
    Well my actual question was about Highmountain, as someone claimed it was canon that both factions helped in both Suramar and Highmountain, and then they answered "duh, because it isn't stated otherwise".

    Either way, it should be obvious that Horde made a bigger impression on the Highmountain and the Nightborne than the Alliance did, whatever the ratio of involvement, or whatever you could do ingame, as that merely opened up content to all players. I was just trying to quell another cry of "but I did something for them, too!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Basically the only thing we can say is if there's two loading screens they're doing split continents again.
    Either that or they might just be updating the Ek/Kalimdor maps.
    It is starting to veer on distracting how only a few of those depicted on those screens are still leading their people. Especially once Sylvanas gets ousted, the remaining ones will be Mekkatorque (presumably), Baine, Velen, Muradin and Genn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Well my actual question was about Highmountain, as someone claimed it was canon that both factions helped in both Suramar and Highmountain, and then they answered "duh, because it isn't stated otherwise".

    Either way, it should be obvious that Horde made a bigger impression on the Highmountain and the Nightborne than the Alliance did, whatever the ratio of involvement, or whatever you could do ingame, as that merely opened up content to all players. I was just trying to quell another cry of "but I did something for them, too!"
    Didn't really see you asked for Highmountain spesifically, so if I am going out of what you discussed, my bad. But yeah, nothing I've seen that confirms one thing or another in Highmountain.

    Also Thalryssa's reasoning for joining the Horde have nothing to do with how much the factions did for them, but what she felt about the Alliance after the whole thing was done. It could mean one thing or another, but she confirming that both factions helped her in Suramar is now canon until stated otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zantheus1993 View Post
    I mean there's a reason the anniversary mount is deathwing
    That too same thing as what they did with Onyxia back in WotLK. Thanks for pointing that out.

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