BfA Patch Speculation thread (8.3 and later).

[Nyel]

So some notes:

1. Azshara not dying: great. Would have been a waste. I hope she gets void infused or something like that (maybe gets released by some void overlord) and appears in one of the next expansions as a mid tier boss again.

2. Jaina being there while Tyrande and Malfurion are absent is ridiculous and doesn't make any f*cking sense.

3. Sylvanas being Garrosh 2.0 is another case of horrible writing.

4. The "let's be friends" attitude between Jaina and Lorthemar doesn't make any sense either as it's basically the counterpart to what this expansion is about. We already knew before the incredibly pointless faction war started that we have to fight a bigger evil and we can't do that alone and yet Blizzard still insisted on having a faction war that never made any sense, at no point.

5. Why should Vulpera be given to Horde when Alliance just gets Mechagnomes. Like honestly, even if they share the same model Vulpera are a completely new and different looking race compared to Mechagnomes which are basically disabled Gnomes with mechanical parts. It would be a horrible decision to let down Alliance with yet another horrible allied race whereas Horde gets a brand new race as their Goblin counterpart. Horde must get Gilgoblins as counterpart to Mechagnomes. Vulpera can be added later when Alliance gets a brand new allied race as well (like Sethrak or whatever is possible).

6. Removal of faction restrictions would be boring. I played a lot of MMORPGs where there's only one faction and they are quite boring in comparison. Alliance and Horde make sense and should be kept as "enemies" not necessarily attacking each other or keeping a war ongoing but as competitors, rivals or whatever. Sylvanas can go and f* off, she can be Lich Queen 2.0 or whatever, she has no point to lead or be in the Horde anymore, same goes for the Forsaken that blindly follow her.

[Daikoku]

My bet is that Aszhara get beaten but not killed because later on she will became outr "Ally" somehow.

I don't see exactly how Aszhara can team up with N'zoth knowing that his plan is to consume Azeroth and destroy it becoming a Dark Titan and thus eradicate all the life on the Planet.

So I'm quite sure Aszhara doesn't know the real plan of N'zoth and after we beat her, N'zoth will make his move making Aszhara aware of his plan, and even if we are enemies I don't think she will be ok with dying in the space.

I know that somebody would love to fantasies about Aszhara and the Naga become a Pandaren 2.0 and we getting Naga as neutral race, but no.

So in 9.0 I wouldn't be surprised to see a Back Empire themed expansion with all the races of Azeroth join together to face the Old God Armies.
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Mecha-Gnomes aren't that bad as allied race, I mean if they can be classes that Gnomes can't be atm ( with the obvious limits )

Example : Mecha-Gnome Robo-Druids.

It will be really cool to see a MGnome transform into a robot bear or a robot boomkin with lazor and shit, but it will require to introduce the concept of "skins" for some combination, changing Tooltips/SpellEffect etc etc

Regrowth = Force Regrowth " Heal the target with Nanobots healing over time " same value etc only flavor text.



On the other side Vulpera....I can only imagine them as : Warrior, Rogue, Hunter for what I saw in Voldun.

[rda]

It actually makes perfect sense. Tyrande is missing since the ritual as she has to 'feed her hunger' so she's probably killing the remaining Horde forces in Darkshore/Ashenvale, doing partisan-ish war. She might be even losing her mind slightly as she's blinded by the vengeance and due to the ritual. Malfurion is probably looking after her. They basically couldn't care less about Nazjatar right now.

If - *if* - Tyrande and the night elves couldn't care less about Nazjatar, yet the Alliance wants to go there, it would be logical for the night elves to say "screw you, guys, you are no good to us, our home has burned ffs and you keep pursuing something irrelevant instead of helping us for once" and stop being part of the Alliance.

[Hellspawn]

It actually makes perfect sense. Tyrande is missing since the ritual as she has to 'feed her hunger' so she's probably killing the remaining Horde forces in Darkshore/Ashenvale, doing partisan-ish war. She might be even losing her mind slightly as she's blinded by the vengeance and due to the ritual. Malfurion is probably looking after her. They basically couldn't care less about Nazjatar right now.

I think it will go in that direction aswell... not sure about the looing mind part because last time she was very well in control but the night elfs are probably busy in dark shore / Ashenvale and Anduin, as well as other Allianc leader talk about peace will not stop them.

If there will be division inside the Alliance.. it will be Tyrande... and maybe Dogman

[Daikoku]

Have you seen how lazy the Allied Races are? I mean how lazy they are pretty much guarantees we will get Junker Gnomes because they're literally a lazy ass re-skin.

The core issue with Allied Races is that they seems "lazy" because they are released once every 6 months nearly so our first feedback is basically "..ah so only this? nothing more? 6months for a disabled gnome?"
I suspect that if they decided to release more than 1 race per faction at once MAYBE it would feel different.

People are waiting for AR like it was a NEW CLASS because in the end the feeling is the same "wow playing <class> but with this <race> it will be a completely different thing" that is wishful thinking.


If they released all the AR Tier 1 at launch 8.0 probably we wouldn't have this perception imho.

[Raetary]

It indicates that none of the Night Warriors survived in the end as the raw power of Elune tore them apart

Yes, the ritual to becoming the night warrior is what can tear them to shreds.

[Hellspawn]

It indicates that none of the Night Warriors survived in the end as the raw power of Elune tore them apart (c), so I do believe that Tyrande has something to care about more than our war campaign. If she'd appeared in Nazjatar, we would have another Mary Sue.

No, Azsharas comment clearly indicates that Tyrande is alive also... she would probably mock Shandris that Elune killed her people then.
Also there is only one Night Warrior.

[Gurmech]

I wonder what the Mechagnome racials will be, so far there is no evidence that their mechanical bodies provide any advantage.
A racial "Eye of Kilrogg" type of abillity that releases a drone maybe? A customizable racial, kinda like the Zandalari trolls would also maybe make sense.

The Vulpera I could see having some kind of "Burrow" ability where they dig into the ground and become untargetable as long as they stand still, and don't use any ability. Kinda like Night Elf Shadowmeld, but without the stealth part.

[TheProphetLord]

I wonder what the Mechagnome racials will be, so far there is no evidence that their mechanical bodies provide any advantage.
A racial "Eye of Kilrogg" type of abillity that releases a drone maybe? A customizable racial, kinda like the Zandalari trolls would also maybe make sense.

The Vulpera I could see having some kind of "Burrow" ability where they dig into the ground and become untargetable as long as they stand still, and don't use any ability. Kinda like Night Elf Shadowmeld, but without the stealth part.

I like the idea of a drone racial. Maybe a bonus to engineering skill? Resistance to shock damage? Greater yields for dismantling mechanical enemies?

[Vyomesh2]

I wonder what the Mechagnome racials will be, so far there is no evidence that their mechanical bodies provide any advantage.
A racial "Eye of Kilrogg" type of abillity that releases a drone maybe? A customizable racial, kinda like the Zandalari trolls would also maybe make sense.

The Vulpera I could see having some kind of "Burrow" ability where they dig into the ground and become untargetable as long as they stand still, and don't use any ability. Kinda like Night Elf Shadowmeld, but without the stealth part.

I had an idea for a flavor racial for Vulpera.
An x sec cast racial called "home is where the wagon is" which then summons one of those Vulpera wagons, allowing you to enter it and gain rested exp/log out instantly. Cast time so people can't cheese it in PvP mode OR whatever. Also not being able to use it in combat i guess.

Useful while leveling to be sure, and it's flavourful for them.

[Nathanyel]

4. The "let's be friends" attitude between Jaina and Lorthemar doesn't make any sense either as it's basically the counterpart to what this expansion is about. We already knew before the incredibly pointless faction war started that we have to fight a bigger evil and we can't do that alone and yet Blizzard still insisted on having a faction war that never made any sense, at no point.

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you're saying "X is bad, because it contradicts Y, and Y was always bad".

I for one welcome any end to the Faction Conflict, even if hamfisted, even if only applying to gameplay and not exactly the lore per se.

[Hellspawn]

Yeah but have you seen any night warriors around? They are either slaughtered during War of Ancients or went wild or torn apart indeed or there's a secret society somewhere in the dens of Hyjal or who knows. All I mean that Tyrande and night elves are busy with their own shit.

There were no night warriors during the War of Acients.


Also... I think the night warrior is somthing that fades away at some point.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Zandalari raptor form now has a dance animation

https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedHeal...mpanzeeSaltBae

THIS. IS. EVERYTHING.

Also, Azshara not dying? Thank God, there is so much potential to this character, I'd rather have it around until it is properly used.

The truce? About time! Feels slightly forced after what happened in Zuldazar, but we can see it's not all the Horde but actually factions inside it who are willing to stop the war. They probably realised how big of a threat N'zoth is. Hell, even Lor'themar isn't certain his people will follow his decision!

[huth]

This would be awesome but you'd have pvpers whining about how they couldn't tell what spells the other person was using and when. Easy solution would be to just not allow it in pvp and only in pve, but then you'd probably have pvpers whining about how they'd want to use it in pvp.

And round and round that circle goes

You could just have it invisible to others in PvP. So to yourself, you look like always, but everybody else sees the default kit.

[Hellspawn]

So they've used Night Warriors 'long ago' to 'secure' Kalimdor. During the demon invasion? After the invasion? We don't know but you can't say that there were no night warriors during the War of Ancients, it's all speculations.

That can very well also mean secure it against invading trolls on the night elf empire. Also thing like that the moon hides the sun is also something that did not happened in WotA but in fights of night elfs before that. WotA and all fights after that, at least the ones that were documented were won because of other things then the night warrior

[Hellspawn]

it could mean anything

Shandris does not seem to know anything about it so it probably never happen during her lifetime. And with that it happened only before WotA.

[Dracullus]

Why people would have problem with Azshara potential death in 8.2? It's not random raid in Kul Tiras or something, she has full patch dedicated for her with Nazjatar and stuff. And likely she will have strong presence in 8.2 story, which you can't say about Kil'jaeden (because 7.2 had no main story beside prologue/dungeon) and Guldan (Suramar was build up for Elisande, Guldan was forgotten after Legion pre-launch). I think it's fiting end for her.

If she doesn't die, she will become an ally or will be later reused in raid, dungeon or even questline. I fail to see how it would be better than her death in Nazjatar raid.

But if that will be the case, I hope she will be involved in Sargeras plot (another "spared" character) in the future.

[huth]

There were no night warriors during the War of Acients.


Also... I think the night warrior is somthing that fades away at some point.

Or they voluntarily release it. That kind of power is likely taxing on the body.

Let's not forget that prior to the long vigil, Night Elves weren't immortal either. They might just have died of age.

Maiev Shadowsong says: Legend says that long ago, Elune bestowed her fury upon our greatest warriors to secure Kalimdor.
Maiev Shadowsong says: In a sacred ritual, the strongest among them became her avatar--the Night Warrior. Our victory was swift.

So they've used Night Warriors 'long ago' to 'secure' Kalimdor. During the demon invasion? After the invasion? We don't know but you can't say that there were no night warriors during the War of Ancients, it's all speculations.

Wars against trolls and such.

[Hellspawn]

Also there are no night warriors around because night warrior was a thing they added to the lore in 8.1
(Yes I know Elune was also called Nightwarrior before 8.1 but at that point it was just a name and no ritual which they would have surely used in WC3 if it would have exist in lore back then.)

[Nyel]

It actually makes perfect sense. Tyrande is missing since the ritual as she has to 'feed her hunger' so she's probably killing the remaining Horde forces in Darkshore/Ashenvale, doing partisan-ish war. She might be even losing her mind slightly as she's blinded by the vengeance and due to the ritual. Malfurion is probably looking after her. They basically couldn't care less about Nazjatar right now.

Sorry but no, it doesn't make any sense. Azshara is Tyrande's and Malfurion's archnemesis. That they are not present is lore-breaking. They are the most important characters that have a direct relation to Azshara, that they're completely neglected in her storyline in Nazjatar is something I never could have imagined.

I like Jaina as a character but it makes no sense that she is there whereas the 10.000 year old Night Elves that witnessed Azshara's rise and fall are not.